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I predict Paul Ryan will be our next President - 10/28/2016 12:00:44 PM   
tamaka


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I think that the electorates that are able to will submit blank ballots reasoning that neither HRC or DT are suitable for office. This will ensure neither gets the majority EC votes which will force the election to go to the House of Representatives and they will choose Paul Ryan. I always used to think the Electoral College was a negative, but now in this light it really is shows the amazing foresight and thoughtfulness our Founding Fathers had when they set up everything.
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RE: I predict Paul Ryan will be our next President - 10/28/2016 12:19:18 PM   
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Lol. You're silly

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RE: I predict Paul Ryan will be our next President - 10/28/2016 12:56:40 PM   
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Are any of the pundits supportive of your view, tamaka?

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RE: I predict Paul Ryan will be our next President - 10/28/2016 1:23:03 PM   
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Are any of the pundits supportive of your view, tamaka?


Not yet... it's too early to come out with it yet... i'd say they'll wait til at least after the weekend.

I guess we'll have to see if i'm right....

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RE: I predict Paul Ryan will be our next President - 10/28/2016 1:27:55 PM   
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RE: I predict Paul Ryan will be our next President - 10/28/2016 1:44:29 PM   
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the Founding Fathers were naive enuf in those days to think patriotism and love of country would override party politics and personal ambitions; that was proved wrong quickly then and even more so now. no blank ballots and Ryan would be far out of sight on the list wanting to be Prez in such a scenario.

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RE: I predict Paul Ryan will be our next President - 10/28/2016 1:45:20 PM   
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I think all of you that laugh at me should have to buy me drinks if i am right. ; )

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RE: I predict Paul Ryan will be our next President - 10/28/2016 1:46:29 PM   
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is this a thing? if this is a thing, I say do the thing. Just do it, But make it a Ryan/Sanders thing. As close a Win/Win as can be hoped for.

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RE: I predict Paul Ryan will be our next President - 10/28/2016 1:50:17 PM   
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I think all of you that laugh at me should have to buy me drinks if i am right. ; )

I wasnt laughing AT you.
with you
it was amusing.

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RE: I predict Paul Ryan will be our next President - 10/28/2016 1:54:56 PM   
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Yes it is a thing. And the interesting part is that the electors don't vote till December and the House doesn't count the votes til January. Obama's term ends Jan 20th i believe and if a new president wasn't agreed upon by then, the Speaker of the House (Ryan) would assume the Presidency in the interim. Then if they elected him after that it would be an easy transition since he was already there.

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RE: I predict Paul Ryan will be our next President - 10/28/2016 1:57:57 PM   
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I think all of you that laugh at me should have to buy me drinks if i am right. ; )

I wasnt laughing AT you.
with you
it was amusing.


Lol... ok... well i'm actually delightfully serious. But i think i still deserve some drinks if i'm right! ; )

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RE: I predict Paul Ryan will be our next President - 10/28/2016 1:59:52 PM   
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Well let me bring all of your political experts back to reality.

Ryan could be 'up' for president but it would only happen via the '2ND Amendment solution"

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RE: I predict Paul Ryan will be our next President - 10/28/2016 2:17:14 PM   
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Just for a minute lets say Hilary wins out right. Charges are brought. She then pardons her self. Then she is impeached but would she step down would there be the votes in congress to remover her?

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RE: I predict Paul Ryan will be our next President - 10/28/2016 2:20:00 PM   
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Charges are brought for what?

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RE: I predict Paul Ryan will be our next President - 10/28/2016 2:26:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Yes it is a thing. And the interesting part is that the electors don't vote till December and the House doesn't count the votes til January. Obama's term ends Jan 20th i believe and if a new president wasn't agreed upon by then, the Speaker of the House (Ryan) would assume the Presidency in the interim. Then if they elected him after that it would be an easy transition since he was already there.

The timing doesn't change the numbers. HRC is looking at 340 to a possible 400 electoral votes, so the rest is merely conversation.

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RE: I predict Paul Ryan will be our next President - 10/28/2016 2:30:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Yes it is a thing. And the interesting part is that the electors don't vote till December and the House doesn't count the votes til January. Obama's term ends Jan 20th i believe and if a new president wasn't agreed upon by then, the Speaker of the House (Ryan) would assume the Presidency in the interim. Then if they elected him after that it would be an easy transition since he was already there.

The timing doesn't change the numbers. HRC is looking at 340 to a possible 400 electoral votes, so the rest is merely conversation.



Only if the electors vote with the popular vote which in most states, they don't have to. They can vote for anybody they want, or no one at all.

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RE: I predict Paul Ryan will be our next President - 10/28/2016 2:43:02 PM   
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the Founding Fathers were naive enuf in those days to think patriotism and love of country would override party politics and personal ambitions; that was proved wrong quickly then and even more so now. no blank ballots and Ryan would be far out of sight on the list wanting to be Prez in such a scenario.


Thanks for the reality check. I am a bit of an idealist so sometimes i need help finding the ground again. It would be a fantastic manifestation though, i think.

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RE: I predict Paul Ryan will be our next President - 10/28/2016 4:07:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Yes it is a thing. And the interesting part is that the electors don't vote till December and the House doesn't count the votes til January. Obama's term ends Jan 20th i believe and if a new president wasn't agreed upon by then, the Speaker of the House (Ryan) would assume the Presidency in the interim. Then if they elected him after that it would be an easy transition since he was already there.

The timing doesn't change the numbers. HRC is looking at 340 to a possible 400 electoral votes, so the rest is merely conversation.



Only if the electors vote with the popular vote which in most states, they don't have to. They can vote for anybody they want, or no one at all.

There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires Electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their states. Some states, however, require Electors to cast their votes according to the popular vote. These pledges fall into two categories—Electors bound by state law and those bound by pledges to political parties. (27 states)

The U.S. Supreme Court has held that the Constitution does not require that Electors be completely free to act as they choose and therefore, political parties may extract pledges from electors to vote for the parties' nominees. Some state laws provide that so-called "faithless Electors" may be subject to fines or may be disqualified for casting an invalid vote and be replaced by a substitute elector. The Supreme Court has not specifically ruled on the question of whether pledges and penalties for failure to vote as pledged may be enforced under the Constitution. No Elector has ever been prosecuted for failing to vote as pledged.

Today, it is rare for Electors to disregard the popular vote by casting their electoral vote for someone other than their party's candidate. Electors generally hold a leadership position in their party or were chosen to recognize years of loyal service to the party. Throughout our history as a nation, more than 99 percent of Electors have voted as pledged.

HERE

In other states, electors are legally independent actors who are free to cast their electoral votes for whomever they like. But in practice, anyone who’s on a party’s slate of electors in a state is going to be a staunch party loyalist who will back their pledged candidate anyway.

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RE: I predict Paul Ryan will be our next President - 10/28/2016 4:53:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Yes it is a thing. And the interesting part is that the electors don't vote till December and the House doesn't count the votes til January. Obama's term ends Jan 20th i believe and if a new president wasn't agreed upon by then, the Speaker of the House (Ryan) would assume the Presidency in the interim. Then if they elected him after that it would be an easy transition since he was already there.

The timing doesn't change the numbers. HRC is looking at 340 to a possible 400 electoral votes, so the rest is merely conversation.



Only if the electors vote with the popular vote which in most states, they don't have to. They can vote for anybody they want, or no one at all.

There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires Electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their states. Some states, however, require Electors to cast their votes according to the popular vote. These pledges fall into two categories—Electors bound by state law and those bound by pledges to political parties. (27 states)

The U.S. Supreme Court has held that the Constitution does not require that Electors be completely free to act as they choose and therefore, political parties may extract pledges from electors to vote for the parties' nominees. Some state laws provide that so-called "faithless Electors" may be subject to fines or may be disqualified for casting an invalid vote and be replaced by a substitute elector. The Supreme Court has not specifically ruled on the question of whether pledges and penalties for failure to vote as pledged may be enforced under the Constitution. No Elector has ever been prosecuted for failing to vote as pledged.

Today, it is rare for Electors to disregard the popular vote by casting their electoral vote for someone other than their party's candidate. Electors generally hold a leadership position in their party or were chosen to recognize years of loyal service to the party. Throughout our history as a nation, more than 99 percent of Electors have voted as pledged.

HERE

In other states, electors are legally independent actors who are free to cast their electoral votes for whomever they like. But in practice, anyone who’s on a party’s slate of electors in a state is going to be a staunch party loyalist who will back their pledged candidate anyway.


That kind of defeats the purpose now.... doesn't it?

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RE: I predict Paul Ryan will be our next President - 10/28/2016 5:59:02 PM   
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Just for a minute lets say Hilary wins out right. Charges are brought. She then pardons her self. Then she is impeached but would she step down would there be the votes in congress to remover her?

In your hypothetical situation I think Obama would pardon her before she took office.

The House could impeach her for something she did while in office only.

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