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RE: Australia Banning Refugees - 10/31/2016 3:21:16 AM

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That's precisely what I got from the article. They want to discourage anybody entering by illegal means.

No they don't want to stop "anybody entering by illegal means". They just want to discourage people arriving by boat. Most of those arriving by boat are from Africa or Asia. And it certainly doesn't help their case that most of the boat arrivals are Muslim ....

Any asylum seekers out there rich enough to afford the plane fare can still get here and ask for asylum on arrival and they'll get it if they qualify. The Americans and Europeans (the biggest group of illegal immigrants here arrive on UK passports and over stay their visas) arrive by plane so they're not affected at all.

Please don't misunderstand me, I am not trying to defend this system for a second. It sucks and it sucks bigtime. But all that the Australian Govt is concerned with is keeping out unauthorised arrivals who don't have either the funds or the gumption to get on a plane instead of a boat.

In fact there is a lot of speculation here that the reason behind this move by the Govt is because they are about to announce a new deal for those asylum seekers already locked up by Australia in indefinite detention in hell-holes like Nauru to be sent to third countries. The Govt doesn't want them obtaining citizenship in a third country and then travelling to Australia on their new passport.

For the Australian Govt to kick people (like asylum seekers) when they're down is petty and vindictive. There more than a hint of ugly racism about it all. Not pretty at all.

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RE: Australia Banning Refugees - 10/31/2016 4:02:34 AM

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No they don't want to stop "anybody entering by illegal means". They just want to discourage people arriving by boat. Most of those arriving by boat are from Africa or Asia. And it certainly doesn't help their case that most of the boat arrivals are Muslim ....

Frankly speaking, Australia is an Island. How else do people enter illegally except by boat?
That's the only way in if you choose illegal path!

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RE: Australia Banning Refugees - 10/31/2016 4:45:52 AM

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No they don't want to stop "anybody entering by illegal means". They just want to discourage people arriving by boat. Most of those arriving by boat are from Africa or Asia. And it certainly doesn't help their case that most of the boat arrivals are Muslim ....

Frankly speaking, Australia is an Island. How else do people enter illegally except by boat?
That's the only way in if you choose illegal path!

No Greta you are wrong to assume that. The vast majority of illegal immigrants here arrive by plane and overstay their visa. The largest single grouping (by nationality) of illegal immigrants are UK citizens.

If you wish to migrate to Australia successfully without going through the standard migration approval system (ie. illegally), the easiest ways to do it are:
1. Enrol in one of the numerous 'colleges' (usually to learn English), which qualifies you for a student visa and then overstay your visa; or
2. Arrive on a tourist visa at an airport, and then either apply for asylum on arrival or overstay your visa.

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RE: Australia Banning Refugees - 10/31/2016 7:32:10 AM

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You want to see Australian men in action Greta, tomorrow is the main day of the year. Only one state has it as a declared public holiday but I will give you odds of 50 to 1 that not much work gets done ANYwhere after about noon tomorrow and by about 18.00 most of those big, bronzed anzacs will be gibbering wrecks in the local pubs, either celebrating their wins or drowning their sorrows that their horses are still running.

And none of them would be whining in the pubs about being ill treated as a male in Australia and having lesser rights than Australian women, that's for sure.

No, they'd be saying what a bunch of shit feminism is and how only hairy ugly lesbians believe a word of it.

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RE: Australia Banning Refugees - 10/31/2016 7:42:20 AM

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Oh, you mean they are not technicians, engineers and doctors ? They are not builders and scholars ? They don't believe Women are people too ?

By and large, no. In fact the majority of asylum seekers come from Islamic hellholes such as Afghanistan. Do you know how they end up on a boat to Australia? It's really very interesting.

They go to the fucking Indonesians and pay US$35,000 per person to be put on one of these boats. Now, I don't know if you know this, but Afghanistan is a subsistence society. They're dirt poor and the only people who have money are people involved in the drug trade. So basically, these "asylum seekers" are Islamic drug-dealers.

Poor people who require asylum don't have the money to fly to fucking Indonesia, then pay the Indonesian scammers another $35k on top.

These people are EXACTLY the kind of people we wouldn't let into the country because they'd bring nothing with them except their intolerant, hateful creed.

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I thought they were equals, and all the same under the skin.

People are entitled to equal treatment under the law. That doesn't make them equal.

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What a letdown. Here I thought they would come up with new inventions and bring in more industry and positive trade. I thought they were going to cure cancer and maybe even the common cold. I thought they were going to invent clean, pollution free power and open up car factories selling electric cars for ten grand and put in the infrastructure to charge them.

Strangely, not a lot of scholars amongst asylum seekers, although they tend to have a surprising number of connections with the local Islamic community. 3 or 4 cells at least.

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Are you telling me the ultrasickening liberals are wrong ? I bet we'll never get that rose garden either.

Well, they're almost always wrong. I'm beginning to think it's a sign of someone who's never grown up. Male subs, for example, have never slain the dragon of the mother complex, so they kind of extend that weakness to everyone else.

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RE: Australia Banning Refugees - 10/31/2016 7:46:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

That's precisely what I got from the article. They want to discourage anybody entering by illegal means.

No they don't want to stop "anybody entering by illegal means". They just want to discourage people arriving by boat. Most of those arriving by boat are from Africa or Asia. And it certainly doesn't help their case that most of the boat arrivals are Muslim ....

You're a moron and a liar. We have an entire immigration service and border security system designed to keep illegal immigrants out. Yet you, with your simplistic, unreasoning mind think that you can redefine their work as "keeping out the boat people". You are a fucking idiot.

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Any asylum seekers out there rich enough to afford the plane fare can still get here and ask for asylum on arrival and they'll get it if they qualify. The Americans and Europeans (the biggest group of illegal immigrants here arrive on UK passports and over stay their visas) arrive by plane so they're not affected at all.

You're a moron and a liar. The largest groups of illegal immigrants are Chinese and Malaysian.

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For the Australian Govt to kick people (like asylum seekers) when they're down is petty and vindictive. There more than a hint of ugly racism about it all. Not pretty at all.

Enforcing border security is not "kicking people while they're down". Australia has a process for asylum seekers. The people you're getting all butthurt over are attempting to use money to bypass that process. And you supporting them in doing that is just another example of how you're a fucking idiot.

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RE: Australia Banning Refugees - 10/31/2016 8:14:15 AM

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Awareness you are a fruitcake.

You need professional help darling. Please get it sweetie

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RE: Australia Banning Refugees - 10/31/2016 8:54:51 AM

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Any asylum seekers out there rich enough to afford the plane fare can still get here and ask for asylum on arrival and they'll get it if they qualify. The Americans and Europeans (the biggest group of illegal immigrants here arrive on UK passports and over stay their visas) arrive by plane so they're not affected at all.
You're a moron and a liar. The largest groups of illegal immigrants are Chinese and Malaysian.

Awareness you are a Class 1 fruitcake.

"The national president of the Migration Institute of Australia, Angela Chan, said ...."Traditionally the highest number of the unlawfuls have come from the USA and the UK. A lot of them think they are Australian, and they get a bit confused. [no she's not talking about you Awarenesss though this does capture a little of your essence]
Some of these people might have been here for a very long period of time," she said. "They may have been here for 20 years and you know, have just forgotten to do something about their visas. And they have now become a substantial part of the community, they are employed and they have connections here."
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/more-than-62000-people-living-illegally-in-australia-20141226-12dxod.html

Chinese and Malays made the top of the table in the last year (2012) of stats but they are competing with, and lose out to long time dominance by UK citizens. As usual Awareness, your 'facts' are incorrect. But that doesn't stop you making a complete foot of yourself by calling someone who is correct on her facts but you disagree with a "moron" and a "liar"

If that allegation has any merit it seems you Awareness are the "moron" and "liar" on top of being a Class 1 fruitcake. You really need help sweetie. Please get it.

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RE: Australia Banning Refugees - 10/31/2016 1:10:22 PM

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I have problems with illegals being allowed to remain in the country of their choice - and mainly for me its sour grapes.

I wanted to work in America, so applied for an H1 visa, got myself fingerprinted, secured a job for when I got there, paid $100 for a complete set of back x-rays ( I guess so if there was anything odd I couldn't go on welfare) and waited 6-8 months for a reply. This was in the very early '80's .

And if I had to jump through hoops, then why should someone else go completely around everyone else and just arrive and basically say "educate me and my offspring, give me housing and money and find me a job".

I think the Europeans are crazy, and to a lesser extent the Americans. Think the Aussie's have it right and the UN is nutty as a fruit cake. Illegal means doing something against the law of the country, and word juggling doesn't change that.

And the post about economic refugees resounds to me - when you go past Turkey to get to Germany, you aren't running for your life. You're looking for a specific set of conditions.

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RE: Australia Banning Refugees - 10/31/2016 2:17:58 PM

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Does Australia have a similar policy to the high tide line used in regard to Cuban boat immigrants? High tide policy - people from a Cuban boat make it above the mean high tide line; they can claim asylum status and are processed through the court system with rights to apeal, etc. If detained before making it to dry land; they just get a trip back to Cuba with Uncle Sugar picking up the tab.

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RE: Australia Banning Refugees - 10/31/2016 2:37:37 PM

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Has Australian policy changed within the last year? To my knowledge there has not been any substantial change.

Maybe it took the OP a year to realise ...

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RE: Australia Banning Refugees - 10/31/2016 2:41:31 PM

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No they don't want to stop "anybody entering by illegal means". They just want to discourage people arriving by boat. Most of those arriving by boat are from Africa or Asia. And it certainly doesn't help their case that most of the boat arrivals are Muslim ....

Frankly speaking, Australia is an Island. How else do people enter illegally except by boat?
That's the only way in if you choose illegal path!

No Greta you are wrong to assume that. The vast majority of illegal immigrants here arrive by plane and overstay their visa. The largest single grouping (by nationality) of illegal immigrants are UK citizens.

If you wish to migrate to Australia successfully without going through the standard migration approval system (ie. illegally), the easiest ways to do it are:
1. Enrol in one of the numerous 'colleges' (usually to learn English), which qualifies you for a student visa and then overstay your visa; or
2. Arrive on a tourist visa at an airport, and then either apply for asylum on arrival or overstay your visa.

Hey , what an idea, we should ban those immigrants who aren't rich an either throw the rest in jail or ship them back home.

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RE: Australia Banning Refugees - 10/31/2016 3:16:41 PM

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Awareness, Tweakabelle has presented facts that contradict you. You should fucking write to those facts fucking immediately and tell them that they're thick fucking lefty twats and pussies. Sheer fucking arrogance of those facts to disagree with your views like that. Cunts.

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RE: Australia Banning Refugees - 10/31/2016 3:36:28 PM

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MercTech, yes, I believe we do have that high-tide-line policy. That's why the navy is out and tows any approaching boats back out and over the Indonesian sea-border ( which pisses the Indos off a little) or relocates them to Manus Island or someplace like that.

Peon...................Awareness, as usual, wouldn't know shit from putty until his windows fell out on a warm day. His responses to most people that disagree with him, when boiled down to their basics, amount to a small boy in the school playground with his fingers in his ears, shouting "Ngah, nyah,nyah,nyah. I'm right and you are all wrong because I'm unawareness and I can never be wrong !!" He has a couple of alter egos on here who seem to have similar attitudes. No names, no pack drill but I'm sure you can figure out who they are.

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RE: Australia Banning Refugees - 10/31/2016 7:46:42 PM

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Uggo, as usual, your inability to comprehend, is exceeded only by your extreme stupidity. The Migration Institute of Australia represents migration agents who stand to benefit from arranging the importation of migrants - typically asians, and typically Chinese (because they have a lot of money to spend). Angela Chan is a spokesman for a professional trade organisation which stands to benefit from lax migration laws and thus has every incentive to misrepresent the numbers of asian overstayers.

You're quoting an OPINION, up against FACT. Now I understand this is because you're a pseudo-scientist and don't understand the difference between emotions, feelings and facts, so I'll try and explain where you went wrong.

The FACTS are that the 62,000 figure quoted in the article is the CURRENT number of overstayers, not a yearly increase. Unless you somehow think that in the last 20 years, Australia has accumulated 1.2 million illegal immigrants and nobody's noticed. (I suppose you might think that, give you'll apparently believe something is true because someone said it and it aligns with your politics.)

Consequently, the CURRENT NUMBER of 62,720 illegal overstayers - what the government refers to as "Unlawful Non-Citizens" in 2013 is MADE UP OF people from:

People's Republic of China 7,690
Malaysia 6,420
United States Of America 5,220
United Kingdom 3,720 3,780
India 3,430
Indonesia 2,790
Republic of Korea 2,780
Philippines 2,390
Vietnam 2,030
Thailand 2,000
All other countries 24,190

Now, I know all this because I actually read the actual report. I know you wouldn't because you're a social pseudo-scientist and all those facts and figures make your head hurt.

So, as we can see, these people are NOT "losing out to longtime dominance by UK citizens". That is what is known in the trade as a bald-faced lie. Angela Chan is LYING, Uggo. And she is lying, because her trade organisation stands to gain from any relaxation of immigration laws by Australia.

Do you understand now? Do you realise what a complete and utter fool you've made of yourself?

Do you understand why your claim to have a PHD is laughable?

You and Peon are so appallingly bad at this. You are manifestly incompetent at the task of constructing even the simplest argument without completely cocking it up. I would feel embarrassed for you except you kinda deserve it. You're both nasty pieces of work, who clearly hate men and have zero compassion for them, so I can't help but feel that your humiliation is richly deserved.

I am pleased to have contributed to your ongoing education.

Phd, my ass. That's the funniest thing I've heard in ages!

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RE: Australia Banning Refugees - 10/31/2016 7:50:46 PM

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Awareness, Tweakabelle has presented facts that contradict you. You should fucking write to those facts fucking immediately and tell them that they're thick fucking lefty twats and pussies. Sheer fucking arrogance of those facts to disagree with your views like that. Cunts.

Peon, I'm afraid that as a pseudo-scientist, you don't seem to understand the difference between facts, feelings and opinion. I commend you to my lecture above which has corrected her misapprehensions and will no doubt do the same for you.

I am perpetually amused that you both seem to think you have a superior education... and yet I keep schooling you. I suspect your alleged education is something which you have vastly over-valued and that perhaps you might want to take time to reflect and gain an understanding of its value which is a tad more realistic.

You're welcome.

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