BamaD
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she favors universal background checks therefore she favors the mental cases being indicated.
No national gun registry is contemplated, nor discussed.
How much are you willing to grow the government debt to force states to keep it accurate?
You need to stop the spew of horseshit. You cannot even carry it off thru a single short post let alone across a thread of posting.
How do your indicate a mental case when you so many states refuse to put that information in the system. If you were capable of 2 minutes thought you would realize that if it doesn't have mandatory entry of information everything spent on the system is wasted.
How do you know if a gun you find with a person got the check when he bought the gun unless you keep the information? That, since you can't seem to figure it out on your own, is a registry .
They dont refuse, they got no money for it. Whos gonna pay for that unfunded mandate? If you were capable of anything but collecting a welfare check, you would understand that people expect remuneration for such efforts, and they need hook ups and systems and whatnot and controls......
No. Once again your welfare patientism is showing.
Heres how it works. A gun is manufactured a serial number is put on it.
an FFL (the manufacturer) sells it to a wholesale distributor or a sporting goods store or the like (all FFLs) (depending on the number of middle men, thats where you see the difference in prices on the same gun.
The FFL records the information in a book who they got it from, serial and so on, as they sell the guns or trade them to other FFLS or wholesalers the deal going out is also recorded.
at some point you buy your gun from walmart with your welfare check, you fill out a 4473, they call it or internet it into nics, you come back yes, no maybe. lets say its yes.
They record the fact it is a sale of longun or handgun make model caliber serial number and so on.
then lets say you bought to much pizza from the pizza boy and you got to sell your gun to make it till your next welfare check.
So, you go somewhere and get a 4473 transaction done.
and so on and so on and so on. Someone dies in that chain of 4473s then thats the ballgame, oh well. If the ATF is tracking that gun any one of those FFLs have 24 hours to produce the original documentation.
Now, lets say you sold it to a private party, you were the last 4473 and you cannot prove who you sold it to or the guy wont own up to it. The ATF will ruin you. You will spend much money and time on court and lawyers.
FFLs store the information for 20 years or upon surrender of FFL, death and so on. It is then shipped en masse in boxes to DC. It joins millions of other boxes. In a huge warehouse.
If that happens in the chain of tracking down the gun, they go look thru those papers. The serial numbers are not to be automated by law, that will never change, and there is no thought to do that.
And it is not necessary for universal background checks.
Universal backround checks is ALL sales are not private. They all need a 4473 for transfer.
The issue of laws not being enforced is not correct. The issue is if you make a law you expect to be enforced, lets say.........stop signs, you have to pay for the infrastructure, materiel and labor.
If you want a law to make states responsible to keep up that database to the fed, then it needs funding.
On that issue, the way it works now is the NICS may or may not have some issue on your file......the NICS examiner may use a system like this:
http://pa.courts.state.mn.us/default.aspx
They will call the powers that be to see if the restraining order in a divorce is now lifted, by example, giving you the right to a gun...
From there they will quote you the brady law: This transaction will be delayed, the Brady law does not prevent you from transferring this gun on (7 days later) unless you hear from us.
Occasionally they do hear later than that date, and when they call you back, they will ask if it is transferred then go hunt the fellow down.
That is how it works.
Here's how it doesn't work.
Set up a background system to determine whether people can or can't purchase firearms.
Don't require anyone to put any information so that the system is actually a good guess.
Next you quadruple the workload, all information is spotty in particularly mental health information. On top of all of this you personally oppose the entry of mental health information. And somehow you expect the system to magically work.
Now since you claim to have my personal and legal information and hacking in to them is a crime does this mean that you are bragging about committing a crime or that you are lying? Now since every bit of your information is wrong you are either lying or you hacked the wrong person.
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