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The crazy American Election System - 11/7/2016 9:25:54 PM   
Greta75


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On How to be President
Yes, even Kanye West, if he chooses. The list of qualifications listed in the US Constitution isn't exactly long. It says you have to be at least 35 years old, have lived in the US for at least 14 years and be "a natural born citizen." The good folks who put together the Constitution nailed down a lot of things, but the exact definition of a natural born citizen wasn't one of them. And neither Congress nor the Supreme Court have provided much clarity. (Here, enjoy this light reading.) That explains why the birthers who question President Obama's citizenship won't shut up.


On the Crazy Electoral College System
Because of this wacky system, a candidate can get ZERO votes in THIRTY-NINE states and DC and still win the presidency.
And THIS is how Trump can Win!


I love this one, What IF there is a tie?
In a tie, one arm of Congress, the House of Representatives, will elect the president, while the other, the Senate, will elect the vice president. (Here's a helpful chart). This year, if there's a tie in the Electoral College, and the Republicans keep the House but the Democrats win back the Senate, it's quite possible that we'd be looking at a Donald Trump-Tim Kaine administration

Man, It IS totally possible this year to be a tie!

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 12:28:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know if you intended this Greta, but you really sound so desperate that you are clutching at straws here. It seems that at long long last, you have realised that the odds are heavily against a Trump victory.

The Electoral College system makes Trump's path to the 270 electoral votes that guarantee the Presidency far more difficult than Clinton's. Trump needs to win all or almost all of the 13 so-called swing States to get the necessary EC votes. Clinton can afford to lose quite a few of them while still gaining an EC majority.

That's not because the system is "rigged" as The Mop likes to claim but because the Dems are far more popular in areas of high population density like New York and California. Republicans tend to be more popular in poorly populated rural areas in the Mid West and old South.

So in a rather roundabout fashion this election system usually reflects the wishes of the US population even though in infrequent cases winning the popular vote doesn't guarantee the White House

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 1:50:58 AM   
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the Dems are far more popular in areas of high population density like New York and California.



Well, actually ...

High density areas exist all over the country, not just Cali or NY, though maybe not quite as dense, not as huge, and a bit farther apart. Look at one of those red/blue naps that say 'by county,' like this one:

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/2012-Election-County-By-County.png

(Call up a Google map of the US in an adjacent tab for reference).

and you'll see that the metro areas of Charlotte or Raleigh, N. Carolina; Birmingham, Alabama; Atlanta, Georgia; Memphis or Knoxville Tennessee; Columbia or Charleston, S. Carolina; etc. are ... not red.

On top of which, the non-metro blue areas in the Southern states of Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, NC, and SC cover a greater proportion of those states than is the case in the northern sates of Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and as much or arguably more than their neighbors in Illinois or Michigan, as the map shows. In fact, upon inspection one can see that NY and Cali are about 50/50. The Pacific North Western sates are clearly red in the area of those states not on the coast. Aside from that, all the non-coastal NW states are almost or completely solid red.

This is one of those cases where the simpler statement is actually the more accurate one: the more densely populated areas in the US, in any region, are more likely to vote Democrat.

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 2:04:28 AM   
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Three tiny states and one larger one situated in the far North East corner of the US are exceptions to the rule existing everywhere else in the country that rural areas are much more likely to vote Republican.

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 4:42:07 AM   
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Ah, did I leave out Texas? For shame!

Yes, Dallas/Ft. Worth, San Antonio, Austin, Houston, Beaumont, etc.- all blue. And there are those large rural blue splotches in the southern and western regions of the state.

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 5:05:40 AM   
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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 7:21:58 AM   
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So, no they shouldn't be tightening up.

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 10:08:49 AM   
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The American dream is anybody could be President!



For Americans, that's actually a nightmare. Or at least it would become one if your boy blowface were to come out ahead today. But just that notion is enough to cause nightmares on its own.

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 10:17:15 AM   
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I decided, for the first time in ever, to vote ONLY 3rd party - if there was a Democrat or Republican qualifier by a name I skipped it.
Another thing that seemed weird to me is every legal related candidate was Republican running unopposed. Apparently my county doesn't have any democrats who want to be sheriff et.


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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 10:34:31 AM   
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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 10:36:45 AM   
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So why did you start a start a thread by whining about it, then?

You might have noticed from her posting history, but she's not too bright.

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 10:42:22 AM   
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*(Limey for "flip flop")

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 10:50:39 AM   
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On How to be President

Actually the whole "natural born" thing is pretty much a non-starter, it's meaning is quite clear: anybody who was a citizen at birth.
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On the Crazy Electoral College System

It was designed to prevent a populist demagogue from winning the presidency.
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I love this one, What IF there is a tie?

true, however it is also possible for a Clinton/Pence administration, though given the make-up of the House and Senate, that is unlikely. However, it should be noted that it could also be a McMullin administration, or even a Sanders one, or anybody else really.

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State House delegations can cast their vote for president from among the three candidates receiving the most electoral votes, while Senators are limited to the top two candidates in their vote for Vice-President.


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Only about half the states have laws requiring their Electors to vote for the popular vote winner. It is possible that an Elector could cast his or her vote for another person.

http://www.270towin.com/content/electoral-college-ties/

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 7:33:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

I don't know if you intended this Greta, but you really sound so desperate that you are clutching at straws here. It seems that at long long last, you have realised that the odds are heavily against a Trump victory.

The Electoral College system makes Trump's path to the 270 electoral votes that guarantee the Presidency far more difficult than Clinton's. Trump needs to win all or almost all of the 13 so-called swing States to get the necessary EC votes. Clinton can afford to lose quite a few of them while still gaining an EC majority.

Trump has electoral lead at the moment, just saying. Go Trump! :)

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 7:49:29 PM   
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This is soooooo weird!

Why are there Chinese words?

Shouldn't it be Spanish since Hispanic people are probably the second biggest minority?

Wow!

Why Chinese words on election sheets?

Is there Chinese on every election sheet in every state?

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 7:52:01 PM   
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This is soooooo weird!

Why are there Chinese words?

Shouldn't it be Spanish since Hispanic people are probably the second biggest minority?

Wow!

Why Chinese words on election sheets?

Is there Chinese on every election sheet in every state?

No, wasn't on mine.

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 8:02:06 PM   
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Actually the whole "natural born" thing is pretty much a non-starter, it's meaning is quite clear: anybody who was a citizen at birth.




Well the way things are going if someone really feels inside that they are a natural born citizen, that will work too. Maybe Arnold has a chance afterall.

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 8:02:36 PM   
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So why did you start a start a thread by whining about it, then?

How is this a whine?
I am simply amazed that Trump could win even with 0 votes in 39 states, as well as Trump could win in event of a tie.

People say his chances are so low. I think his chances are pretty high considering those possibilities favour him.

Especially now that the House is officially Republican. He is definitely gonna be President IF it's a tie. And he is leading now.

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 8:06:00 PM   
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crazy is an understatement.
Gonna be a bumpy ride ahead, congrats and good luck.

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 8:07:58 PM   
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Well, yeah, but that was a pretty bloody fast u-turn* even for Greta, wasn't it?

*(Limey for "flip flop")

Where have I U-Turned? I have no idea what you are talking about.

To me, US is always one of the wackiest country in the world. And this thread isn't about them changing their Election rules. But simply highlighting how this benefits Trump, which is the person I am rooting for.

At the same time, such system does enable anybody to be President. Since you could write in anybody which is pretty cool. Some ordinary joe just needs a strong enough social media campaign.

I mean, it's a huge difference from my country where criteria for President includes running a 500million networth company as pre-requisite, so it prevents most ordinary folks to ever have a chance.
And write in votes do not count. All eligible candidates will be on the ballot. If you write in, it's a void vote.


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