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RE: NYT Real Time Election Forecast - 11/8/2016 10:33:31 PM

mrevibo

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: mrevibo
What you call relentless antagonism, I see as more of looking out for our own interests. What you see as a trade war,
I see as a careful review of trade agreements. After a good few years of NAFTA, I still don't favor it. I neither favor the TPP nor trust the people behind it. Why is it wrong to have these out in the open, and negotiate them on demonstrable interests rather than simply presume these guys are working in our interests? Maybe they got it right. Show me, don't tell me.

You're assuming that a re-negotiation with partners who are unwilling to negotiate will lead to better, not worse terms. It seems highly unlikely that suddenly deciding that a certain agreement is unfair is going to go over well, since the country you're negotiating with is already going to be pissed off that you're being such a whiny baby about it. You'll just end up with a lot of bitterness and broken promises, with neither party willing to budge, and in the meantime jobs will be lost.

This is exactly what happened under Herbert Hoover, exactly what deepened the Great Depression... you can't hold the global economy hostage and expect people to just fall at your feet.

I don't even know where all of this entitlement came from to begin with... Americans typically know next-to-nothing about the outside world, so I highly doubt they looked at other countries and decided that they were somehow ripping America off. I honestly think they're voting based on some idea of China being a paradise full of wealthy manufacturers who are exploiting America through Walmart or whatever.

Those jobs are not coming back, the 1950s are not coming back, you've elected a fucking moron, humiliated your country and panicked the world. I'm seriously thinking about dropping out of society, because a world where someone like this can be elected, despite warnings from everyone who knows better including members of his own party, is truly scary.

I assume nothing of the sort. They've had their advantage, and I don't expect them to say "oh, ok, yeah, my bad" and just hand it back. The thing is, if it's wrong for us, we should be able to wake up with the hangover and say "WTF did I do last night?" and go back to the table. Are you saying everything should be once and forever? Put your hand on the stove burner and not just not learn not to do it again, but you have to leave it there? Maybe they're not willing to negotiate, but do they really have a choice? They can try to hold on to what they can, or just lose it all. The 50s, yeah, that was an exceptional time, and no, it's not coming back, but fuck all if we should just lay our balls on the anvil. I'd rather have someone that doesn't just hand the hammer to whoever asks for it.

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