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Nnanji -> RE: Well, I think America just told the Left to go fuck itself (11/19/2016 11:18:05 AM)
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
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An article on just why it's so difficult, or perhaps even impossible, for the Left - or indeed anybody other than righties on the crazed end of the spectrum - to 'engage' with a certain major demographic in the USA. As a complete outsider, this was fascinating. And somewhat horrifying:
http://forsetti.tumblr.com/post/153181757500/on-rural-america-understanding-isnt-the-problem
As someone who still hunts with those people and has a graduate degree in a STEM field I find the article limited. Let me give you an example.
My best friend/hunting buddy is retired special forces Marine Corps with a high school education. He's very gifted and very bright. He worked his ass off to care for his family. But, he wasn't going anywhere. I had a couple of years worth of talks with him while we were out hunting in otherwise cold, wet places. The essence of the talks were that every culture has a bar set. Below the bar you were one thing, above the bar you were another. In the military it was the difference between an officer and a noncom.
His experience in combat allowed him to see that most noncom had more of the right stuff than did many officers. He'd even, on occasion, refused to take officers into combat because he understood that the officers were just going so that they could get a badge on their tunic for their career and his guys were going and trying to keep each other alive. Two mutually unsupportable missions.
So, one day after long talks, he set out to earn a degree from college. He obtained it and he came and told me I was right, that now that people knew he had a college degree he was treated differently. Subsequently, he obtained a graduate degree in accounting and has moved into new areas at work.
But, he's still the same person. Still hunts. Still works his ass off for his family. Still goes to church. Still has the same values.
In your article, his education should have changed his entire perspective. Becoming more enlightened with understanding the world should have changed him to a lefty perspective.
It didn't change his perspective, nor did it change mine. So the article premise that the ignorant are on one side and the enlightened are on the other is just bilge.
Buddha reached enlightenment sitting under a tree not while writing a Phd dissertation. What your article shows me is that the left sets a bar and anyone over the bar then looks upon those under the bar as cast offs.
I am very comfortable on a country club golf course. If I walk on to a rifle range, everybody already there will recognize I belong there in no time. I've had my share of Phd's share my bed. Some of them were real idiots, but, hey, they had pussy so you put up with shit.
And there is the point. You put up with shit. In this article the author is saying that since he/she was now enlightened he wanted to live in an enclave where he/she didn't have to put up with shit. The entire enclave was constructed with false boundaries, passwords, and secret symbols known only to the enlightened. Those enlightened establish a zone of "us" with "them" outside the zone.
I recall hearing, I believe, Armstrong Williams, a black, conservative talk show host mentioning that he traveled all over the south all of the time. He said he never had problems in the south like he did in the north. He said the reason was because when he walked by a group of white guys he'd smile and say, "How ya?" A friendly southern greeting, he said, never failed to elicite southern hospitality in return. Even from groups of white guys with a black.
Another friend of mine, one with a pussy that has shared my bed, has a Phd from a very highly respected university. She absolutely hates Mexicans.
So, every stereotype mentioned in the article, in my experience, runs to cliché. It's written only for the enlightened ear so that they can commensurate with his/her travails. It's a classic example of "us" vs "them" and it hold true in very little of my experience.
My experience is that people can be warm and open or cold and eschewing. But, if you deal with them with respect you're more likely to encounter the warm and open. This article could be titled how to build an enclave of "us" and coldly eschew all of them. I see it as "we" the left just has to believe they know more, and we are better than "them" and it's our job to fix them.
The U.S. Is supposed to be a nation of immigrants with different cultural backgrounds. Armstrong Williams respected that and treated people that way despite the personal failings of those people. The author wrote an article that said no personal failings shall be allowed, everyone shall comport themselves to where "we" have set the bar. Of course the article doesn't mention the personal failings of the above the bar crowd, it just assumes the "we" are better and everyone should understand that and accept the kool aid offered up to them by the elite.
I find the article shallow and not very understanding of human nature despite all of the understanding the author claims. The author has relegated "us" to superior man status with the responsibility of dragging the Neanderthals into their sphere of understanding. I find it typical of liberals. They believe they know what's best and have no compunction with forcing the masses to comply with their ideals.
To me, it's more a confession, although an unaware one by the author, of why they should be condemned and eschewed.
All I heard was, "I <cough> know a non-com <cough>.
So, what you're saying is, you never bothered to serve, and you're more or less just pulling off of other people's experiences?
How are your Class A's fitting these days?
That's what you got? I see.
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