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tj444 -> RE: Oh Fuck. (11/12/2016 9:56:26 AM)
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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
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ORIGINAL: tj444
If its something they really want then they could do things to get the money they need.. they could rent out a room, they could sell all their shite (and also cut moving expenses to $0), they could work a second job or make stuff to sell on amazon/etsy, they could move back in with mom & dad & save their rent money.. Seriously, if there is a true will to do it then they will get off their arses and find a way to make it happen.. Or does the average American expect that to be handed to them on a silver platter? If they are too lazy to do that then they deserve to live here with their crappy bank account cuz no country wants lazy immigrants..
You think that people who don't have the background, fortune, or financial planning ability to scrape together a $1000 in savings have the perseverance to get the kind of money together to be able to afford an investor visa (we're taking about several hundred thousand dollars for one of those)?
Or even $10000 in savings in order to get a work visa (providing they even have a job, or job experience that would qualify for one of those, which they don't... because they're working at Walmart, or equivalent)?
You're saying: sell their stuff, live with their parents, second job... a lot of those people ARE already doing that.
A couple weeks back my next door neighbor's rental house burned down. It was the grandmother, living with her daughter and son in law, with their 3 kids. I saw their house after the fire department was done, to help them move out... they don't have any stuff worth selling. All 2 of the adults have 2 jobs each. The daughter only 1 because they cannot afford childcare for the kids when everybody is at work. All 3 adults combined still have less than $25000 in take home pay after mandatory health insurance is taken care of. Rental prices for a shitty 3 bedroom in this area are $1200.
They have a single car between the whole family which looks like it might stop running at any time.
They're in a shelter provided by the local church at the moment, because they have no savings, and the rental agency is refusing to release their deposit until insurance signs off on the whole thing, and without that deposit they cannot afford the deposit on a new rental.
I ended up giving them a bunch of my kid's old clothes, and they're financially in a bad enough place at them moment that now, 6 weeks after the fire, their oldest boy is still wearing my oldest girl's hand me down sweaters because they fit him, aren't 'too' girly, and they cannot afford to get him new stuff from even a second hand store. I ended up offering to take him shopping for some new clothes, and they turned that down and asked me to buy food and diapers instead.
Tell me... even without the fire, how would these people would ever get $10000 together to move to a different country? Providing they could actually find a country that would take 6 people on such a small amount?
These people live paycheck to paycheck... usually several paychecks behind on what they actually need. Even if they'd have a win fall and $10000 would drop into their lap out of nowhere, the bulk of that money -if not all of it- would be spend before the month was over, just on them catching up on past due bills and credit cards (if they're responsible... otherwise it would go towards a new car or something like that).
These people live their lives playing catch up. They will never have the kind of money it takes to leave this country. It simple costs too much money to do so. If they really really really wanted to leave, their only option would be to go be illegals somewhere else. And even that they might not be able to afford, because the travel expenses to get 'somewhere else' would be too much.
Most people in other countries really don't understand how close a lot of Americans constantly are to utter bankruptcy and financial ruin.
Immigrating ain't cheap. All together (visa's, language tests, medical exams, lawyer fees, travel expenses, passport fees, moving expenses, etc) I think I've spend somewhere in the neighborhood of about $20000 moving to this country. And again, that's with having a marriage visa which doesn't require me to have investment money, a suitable career, or a certain starting capital to cover my living expenses.
If you're talking about moving a family, especially one with kids, you can start multiplying those numbers.
I've been toying around with the idea of becoming a US citizen lately, and the only thing that's been holding me off is that's it's going to cost another ~$1200 to do so. With my permanent greencard giving me exactly the same rights as an American citizen except for the right to vote, I really am not sure if I want to spend $1200 just to get the privilege to vote here.
The reality is that most Americans don't have a chance in hell to leave from this country, even if they really really wanted to.
gee, I keep hearing (from Americans) that this is the Land of Opportunity, that if penniless immigrants can do well here then Americans have that same Opportunity..
Is everyone in a position to pick up and move to a new country? of course not.. Does every American want to leave the US? of course not, very few want to do that, in fact.. Does your grandmother neighbor want to move from the US? I very much doubt it.. Why are you bringing up people that have no interest at all in leaving the US? I am talking about people that actually do seriously want to move.. most of them would be younger people tho, not grandmothers..
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