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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/15/2016 10:28:49 AM   
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You need to shovel cementt into your vast and void chasm of your cranial vault to shut off the felch you spew. Your attendants want to put you back in the room again with the jacket. Go.

That is entertaining. Some times the voices in your head mental patient harmonize in funny entertaining outbursts. I do have to give you (plural you including all voices) entertainment value.

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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/15/2016 12:42:02 PM   
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Seriously, please don't kill President-Elect Trump. Mike Pence is far worse.

So your problem with Trump isn't that he is a jerk (though no worse than LBJ was) it is that he isn't far enough left for you.


My problem with Pence is that he is Christian Dominionist that wants to force his religion on everyone else. To me, that isn't much different than ISIS. My problem with Trump is that he's not qualified for the position. I don't see why the right currently hates government so much that it put someone in that knows nothing about it. I wouldn't have had this problem with Jeb Bush or Romney.

What this country really needs is a moderate party, which now seems to be impossible. I was hoping that if Trump lost, one would form out of the more moderate establishment Republicans and moderate Blue Dog Democrats, and both far left and far right would just be fringe. How is having a country this divided good? Yeah ultra conservatives and ultra liberals may temporarily get some of the things they want this way, but at what cost?

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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/15/2016 12:56:54 PM   
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My problem with Pence is that he is Christian Dominionist that wants to force his religion on everyone else. To me, that isn't much different than ISIS. My problem with Trump is that he's not qualified for the position. I don't see why the right currently hates government so much that it put someone in that knows nothing about it.


The great sea change seems to be about 'rejecting the establishment'. It's possible, but not easy, for a party to look as though it's doing that while at the same time offering policies that also look moderate.


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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/15/2016 2:17:58 PM   
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Seriously, please don't kill President-Elect Trump. Mike Pence is far worse.

So your problem with Trump isn't that he is a jerk (though no worse than LBJ was) it is that he isn't far enough left for you.


My problem with Pence is that he is Christian Dominionist that wants to force his religion on everyone else. To me, that isn't much different than ISIS. My problem with Trump is that he's not qualified for the position. I don't see why the right currently hates government so much that it put someone in that knows nothing about it. I wouldn't have had this problem with Jeb Bush or Romney.

What this country really needs is a moderate party, which now seems to be impossible. I was hoping that if Trump lost, one would form out of the more moderate establishment Republicans and moderate Blue Dog Democrats, and both far left and far right would just be fringe. How is having a country this divided good? Yeah ultra conservatives and ultra liberals may temporarily get some of the things they want this way, but at what cost?



So what is it you think Pence would do? Force everyone to become members of his church under penalty of death? Or is it that he takes a strong pro life position? If you want to talk about those who are unqualified to be the POTUS, Obama and Hillary are at the top of the list. Hillary couldn't have been elected dog catcher in her own home state let alone carpet bag her way to a Senate seat in New York had she not married Bill.

How many great moderates in the history of America are there?

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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/15/2016 2:30:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Periods for pence....he signed a law that requires miscarried fetuses, as well as aborted fetuses, to be "interred or cremated by a facility having possession of the remains," regardless of the age of the fetus.

Doesnt believe in science....http://fortune.com/2016/07/15/mike-pence-donald-trump-science/

Known and constant liar.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/10/05/vice-presidential-debate-mike-pence-v-donald-trump-origwx-allee.cnn



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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/15/2016 2:47:46 PM   
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Periods for pence....he signed a law that requires miscarried fetuses, as well as aborted fetuses, to be "interred or cremated by a facility having possession of the remains," regardless of the age of the fetus.

Doesnt believe in science....http://fortune.com/2016/07/15/mike-pence-donald-trump-science/

Known and constant liar.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/10/05/vice-presidential-debate-mike-pence-v-donald-trump-origwx-allee.cnn



Mental patient it's always tempting to click your links just to laugh at how much BS you sling with a straight face. Well, I'm sure it's the face of one of your voices that really believes what it throws up. But, sometimes I just have to remind myself that you've never posted a credible link to anything and when one is posted for you, you get all hysterical and your voices get all agitated. I fear for the amount of extra meds it causes you to take and wonder how long your liver can hold on.

So, I'll pass on these since I know that they'll be a waste of time.

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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/15/2016 2:52:46 PM   
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Seriously, please don't kill President-Elect Trump. Mike Pence is far worse.

So your problem with Trump isn't that he is a jerk (though no worse than LBJ was) it is that he isn't far enough left for you.


My problem with Pence is that he is Christian Dominionist that wants to force his religion on everyone else. To me, that isn't much different than ISIS. My problem with Trump is that he's not qualified for the position. I don't see why the right currently hates government so much that it put someone in that knows nothing about it. I wouldn't have had this problem with Jeb Bush or Romney.

What this country really needs is a moderate party, which now seems to be impossible. I was hoping that if Trump lost, one would form out of the more moderate establishment Republicans and moderate Blue Dog Democrats, and both far left and far right would just be fringe. How is having a country this divided good? Yeah ultra conservatives and ultra liberals may temporarily get some of the things they want this way, but at what cost?

So the answer is yes that is your problem with him. And you actually believe that we wouldn't have gone far left if Hillary had won? She is much further to the left than Pence or even Trump.

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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/15/2016 3:38:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		many times when I see him go off the rails, I report his posts.

maybe eventually, the moderators will actually do something about him. I suspect if more people did so, it could help.

to address one of the points to his more recent links (no I didn't go read it either because I more or less know whats in it)---the only thing more idiotic than people saying others with whom they disagree over something "don't believe in science" is other people actually believing such a thing exists, posting it and uncritically accepting that its the gospel---oh, er, sorry, that its the truth.


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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/15/2016 3:41:32 PM   
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My problem with Pence is that he is Christian Dominionist that wants to force his religion on everyone else.


im not sure which path I should take here. the serious one that asks you politely to actually provide irrefutable evidence of your statement.

or the one that says, its difficult enough to talk about differences in worldviews without adding in absurd nonsense like that.

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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/15/2016 5:15:12 PM   
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My problem with Pence is that he is Christian Dominionist that wants to force his religion on everyone else.


im not sure which path I should take here. the serious one that asks you politely to actually provide irrefutable evidence of your statement.

or the one that says, its difficult enough to talk about differences in worldviews without adding in absurd nonsense like that.


Take the felchgobbling path, it is the only one you have been briefed on.

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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/15/2016 5:22:42 PM   
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So the answer is yes that is your problem with him. And you actually believe that we wouldn't have gone far left if Hillary had won? She is much further to the left than Pence or even Trump.


I think if Hillary had won, she would have been able to do much more than Obama was able to do in his last 6 years. The House was not going to go Blue and it would have been more obstructionism. Maybe that's the only way to have a moderate end result right now.

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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/15/2016 5:33:04 PM   
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So the answer is yes that is your problem with him. And you actually believe that we wouldn't have gone far left if Hillary had won? She is much further to the left than Pence or even Trump.


I think if Hillary had won, she would have been able to do much more than Obama was able to do in his last 6 years. The House was not going to go Blue and it would have been more obstructionism. Maybe that's the only way to have a moderate end result right now.

Obama was by no stretch of the imagination a moderate. What you mean is you wanted us to continue with the far left path that Obama has us on.

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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/15/2016 5:40:09 PM   
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My problem with Pence is that he is Christian Dominionist that wants to force his religion on everyone else.


im not sure which path I should take here. the serious one that asks you politely to actually provide irrefutable evidence of your statement.

or the one that says, its difficult enough to talk about differences in worldviews without adding in absurd nonsense like that.




Pence has described himself as “a Christian, a conservative and a Republican, in that order.”

Why exactly is this 2000 or so year old worldview even relevant today? I just think anyone who falls for that, or any other religion isn't too bright. Pretending to be because culturally it's expected is one thing, but actually making decisions based on some fantasy that there is a supernatural all powerful being that cares what we do for some reason. Yeah, that's someone I want in charge...

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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/15/2016 5:51:40 PM   
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making decisions based on some fantasy that there is a supernatural all powerful being that cares what we do for some reason. Yeah, that's someone I want in charge...

Well in the Theistic view, and purely as an informational point, it cares because it is within us.

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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/15/2016 6:01:54 PM   
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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/15/2016 6:37:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		ignoring for a moment the many refutable aspects of your post, I noticed you did not in the least way support your contention that pence, as a "Christian dominionist" wants to force his religion on everyone.

let me give you back your own question. exactly what part of the "2000 yr old worldview" that pence holds is not relevant such that it apparently disqualifies him from being a leader. or put another way, why cant a Christian be a political leader?

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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/15/2016 9:07:54 PM   
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ignoring for a moment the many refutable aspects of your post, I noticed you did not in the least way support your contention that pence, as a "Christian dominionist" wants to force his religion on everyone.

let me give you back your own question. exactly what part of the "2000 yr old worldview" that pence holds is not relevant such that it apparently disqualifies him from being a leader. or put another way, why cant a Christian be a political leader?


It doesn't. It's mostly about separation of Church and State. I don't want to live in a theocracy. Joe Biden is a Christian and I wouldn't mind him as a political leader as he doesn't put church in front of state, though I'd like him even more if he wised up and dumped Christianity.

I wouldn't mind a Christian as much if it weren't just about abortion and banning LGBT rights. Where is love thy neighbor in the current Republican platform? Where is helping the poor? Where is helping the sick? Turning the other cheek?

If Jesus existed and ran for President, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. None of the current Republicans seem even remotely like him...

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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/15/2016 9:22:32 PM   
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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/15/2016 9:23:43 PM   
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ignoring for a moment the many refutable aspects of your post, I noticed you did not in the least way support your contention that pence, as a "Christian dominionist" wants to force his religion on everyone.

let me give you back your own question. exactly what part of the "2000 yr old worldview" that pence holds is not relevant such that it apparently disqualifies him from being a leader. or put another way, why cant a Christian be a political leader?


It doesn't. It's mostly about separation of Church and State. I don't want to live in a theocracy. Joe Biden is a Christian and I wouldn't mind him as a political leader as he doesn't put church in front of state, though I'd like him even more if he wised up and dumped Christianity.

I wouldn't mind a Christian as much if it weren't just about abortion and banning LGBT rights. Where is love thy neighbor in the current Republican platform? Where is helping the poor? Where is helping the sick? Turning the other cheek?

If Jesus existed and ran for President, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. None of the current Republicans seem even remotely like him...

Killing babies is your idea of love thy neighbor?
Every person follows there own set of beliefs, agnostics pretend that because they say there is nothing greater than man their set is better. This is why they think that it is ok to burn and steal because they know everyone does it one way or another. It is ok to discriminate against Christians because they stand for a constant set of values.

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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/15/2016 9:32:51 PM   
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Well an argument can be easily made that Jesus didn't teach his morality to the government... he taught it to the people. In fact Jesus explicitly separated church and state himself (give to Caesar what is Caesar's, give to God what is God's. It's really not the role of the government to help the poor and needy... it is the people's place. Theoretically i guess the solution would be to make government smaller, decrease taxes and let the people privately manage things pertaining to such issues.

Are you saying that a Christian holding office is a violation of separation of church and state. Keep in mind that the wall of separation of church and state does not appear in the Constitution, it says that the state cannot make anyone adopt any religion nor can it restrict their rights because they follow any religion.
This means that dismissing someone because they are Christian is more a violation than following your beliefs.

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