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DesideriScuri -> RE: Popular Vote vs Electoral College (11/16/2016 6:29:58 AM)
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
So, wouldn't getting rid of country borders save billions in a 2-tier legal system in Europe?
It already has.
Those in the 'Schengen' area (26 countries) don't even have border crossings any more and no passport control either.
Many of the legal aspects of running the 'union' are left to the EU courts.
Effectively, EU law trumps all of national law in most respects.
I believe, one of the necessary regulations of joining the EU, is that you agree to assimilate all European law into your own.
All you have left to govern, are your own local events.
All of those in the core group all use the same currency - as does the US among its states.
It is all governed fiscally by a central European bank - just like the Federal Reserve in the US.
All the States have to govern are State-level events. The Federal Government would be analogous to the EU.
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Federal courts supercede State-level courts. How is that not capitulation? Perhaps you don't know as much about the American system as you think you do?
Nowhere near as well as most sentient Americans, no.
But I still see many conflicts between the laws between states.
That's not something you see across Europe.
There is no homogenisazation across the states like there is across Europe or Australia.
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Sorry, but you're wrong about Australia, too. Fucking sucks that someone can google, doesn't it?
http://www.australia.gov.au/about-government/how-government-works/state-and-territory-government
And the one caveat that the US don't have: If the laws of a state ever conflict with the laws of the Commonwealth of Australia, the Constitution says that Commonwealth law is to be followed.
There are many local laws in the US that conflict with federal law but you don't have the same overriding condition that the Australians have.
There's your major difference.
One local/state law that comes to mind: in a few states that have made cannabis legal, is actually against federal law. So how can they even do that??
That wouldn't be allowed under Australian laws, or EU laws.
That's the point I was making.
Federal laws supercede State laws. Period. End of story. Any person that thinks they are safe from Federal prosecution in a legal cannabis state would be in for a huge shock, if the Federal Government decided to apply the laws on the books. Marijuana is an illegal drug in the eyes of the Federal Government. That they aren't prosecuting people who are using cannabis in states where it's "legal," is completely up to the Federal Government to explain. It was like when DOMA was law of the land, but President Obama chose to not defend it in the courts. The Feds could absolutely go in and raid, jail, and prosecute cannabis users if they so choose.
The only point you're making is that you don't really understand the US legal system.
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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The French, Italians and Spanish already have two-tier law systems inside the EU.
So it's not as ridiculous as it seems to have multiple level legal systems that work very well together.
Unfortunately, the US model is a shambles and causes more problems than it solves.
Again, you don't have as good a read on the legal system in the US.
Then explain the conflicts that exist in US law that don't exist in Europe or Australia.
And those would be.....?
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Ooooooooh. 8 whole months?!?!?!? FFS! You're almost as knowledgeable as anyone about the US, then, eh? Fucking Universities require 4-years of study for a Bachelor's Degree in political science?!? WTF?!? Should only take 8 months!! [8|]
Considering most of the Americans I met were either lawyers or pig-shit ignorant of just about any US laws.
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Did you take a representative sample of Americans in determining if the US system works well or not? Or, did you only gather information from those who don't like it?
I don't want to drop names.
But I was personally acquainted with members of the Arnold Law firm, Gunster, Butler (I think), Sheppard and somebody, plus a few others I can't remember offhand. I used to go with my American friend and fix their computers and we mixed with many of them socially.
LMAO!! I see, so because you mixed with them socially, you know the ins and outs of US legal system. Got it.
Had my Grandparents been immigrants from Italy, would I know everything there is to know about Italy since I knew them for 18 years, and mixed with them socially?
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Those Americans who are sick and tired of the way things are done in the US have a recourse, though. They can either move to where things are done more to their liking (which may mean little more than changing States or areas within the same State), or they can work towards the changes they want to see. No matter how the US does something, I can pretty much guarantee there will be some that hate it and will be sick and tired of the way it's done here.
Yep.
But like Trump winning against all odds - people want something different to what they have right now and there's nowhere to get it inside the good old US of A at the moment.
And like many stubborn Americans, they won't move beyond the US borders.
There are some, but very few who would consider somewhere completely new and different.
They don't have to move, either. They can get together with other like-minded people and work to get the word out and build support for their cause? But, if there are 40 people in Miami who think we should drive on the left instead of the right, and no one else agrees, well, they're either going to be upset at how the US works (as far as driving goes), or they'll have to move elsewhere to get that change.
And, that's the way it should work for many, many things.
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My OH had one of her history meets (24th September this year) where the organisers had to entertain other Americans authors for a week prior to the grand gathering.
I was just a personal taxi so I just hung around and chatted with a few of them with a drink or two.
I was quite surprised at the comments I got about Old Blighty.
Mainly along the lines of how peaceful it was, laid back population, no guns anywhere (got that one a lot), crazy traffic, stupid roundabouts, no state lines, better laws and organisation just about at every level.
They were soo impressed that 2 of them have since bought property in the UK to live here and continue their writings.
Since you were the taxi, and, I would assume, conversed with them, are you now a historian, too?
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