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How Can Trump Unite the Country? - 11/9/2016 6:54:43 PM   
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What steps should Trump take to unite the country?

How obligated is Trump to follow the GOP playbook and wish list?
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RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? - 11/9/2016 6:59:39 PM   
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What steps should Trump take to unite the country?

How obligated is Trump to follow the GOP playbook and wish list?

A better question might be, what can we do to unite our country?

Hint: It's not this.

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RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? - 11/9/2016 7:01:18 PM   
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What gave you the idea that Trump gives a rat's ass about uniting the country?

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RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? - 11/9/2016 8:09:17 PM   
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What steps should Trump take to unite the country?

How obligated is Trump to follow the GOP playbook and wish list?

Trump won, so he must make moves to appease the Democrats, How ever if Hillary had won the Republicans would have to accept it and follow her lead.

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RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? - 11/9/2016 8:28:20 PM   
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What steps should Trump take to unite the country?

How obligated is Trump to follow the GOP playbook and wish list?

Trump won, so he must make moves to appease the Democrats, How ever if Hillary had won the Republicans would have to accept it and follow her lead.

The Republicans haven't followed Obama for the last eight years, so why would they start now. I just hope the Democrats give Trump every bit as much help as the Republicans gave Obama.

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RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? - 11/9/2016 8:34:30 PM   
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He might start by passing out participation trophies to those that voted for Hillary. They like that kind of thing.

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RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? - 11/9/2016 8:34:40 PM   
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As Hillary said, we owe him an open mind.

I highly highly doubt that things won't become even more divided and much much worse over the next 4 years, in fact I'm certain that the whole country will be in tatters... BUT if Trump actually does manage to improve working conditions, bring in jobs and doesn't do a lot of the things he wants to do, there might be a chance. Historically everything he has promised to do for the economy has resulted in depression/recession, but these things aren't always easy to predict.

His stance on climate change is going to be impossible to reconcile-- absolutely impossible. No one is going to agree that it's a liberal plot. But if he backtracks on that he'll piss off the people who voted for him. It's basically no-win. On the other hand, people seem to care more about racism and sexism than saving the planet.

If his Muslim ban isn't as horrible as it sounds, he might have a shot. If he doesn't spend billions on a wall and tells everyone he was just joking, it could happen. But again, the problem is that everything he has promised to do is exactly what made his supporters vote for him while simultaneously being exactly what makes his opponents despise him.

So basically he would need to throw out his entire platform and start anew, or merely implement a much milder version of it... which doesn't seem likely, because again, his supporters are expecting him not to.

The days of 'just accepting the result' are over. Obama was unpopular with the right, but he wasn't on the same level as Trump with the left... because he was still largely an establishment candidate and despite all the paranoia I think the right knew this. Trump on the other hand is promising to remake the entire country in ways that the left has always feared, and what's worse is he has the power to do it.

I seriously think that this is the end of the US... he is going to have to deal with a lot of resentment and anger practically every day, and I can't imagine his response to it being very diplomatic. He's an authoritarian, so he'll probably just send the police in to beat the shit out of everyone... which of course, will just lead to more resistance, greater violence and more conflict.

The US has been ignoring its 'cold civil war' for a while now, but I can definitely see left-wing movements popping up and militarizing themselves, similar to the 1960s. The people who voted for Trump must have known he wasn't someone that would go over well with a lot of people... this isn't like electing Jeb or Cruz.

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RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? - 11/9/2016 8:56:47 PM   
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What steps should Trump take to unite the country?

How obligated is Trump to follow the GOP playbook and wish list?

Trump won, so he must make moves to appease the Democrats, How ever if Hillary had won the Republicans would have to accept it and follow her lead.

The Republicans haven't followed Obama for the last eight years, so why would they start now. I just hope the Democrats give Trump every bit as much help as the Republicans gave Obama.

They went along with everything he wanted in the first year.
So you want more gridlock.

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RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? - 11/9/2016 9:03:59 PM   
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They went along with everything he wanted in the first year.
So you want more gridlock.


Trump has more power than Obama, so it won't be gridlock.
It will be citizens resisting Trump's policies.

And yes, I want that.

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RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? - 11/9/2016 9:05:58 PM   
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They went along with everything he wanted in the first year.
So you want more gridlock.


Trump has more power than Obama, so it won't be gridlock.
It will be citizens resisting Trump's policies.

And yes, I want that.


Aren't you a Canadian?

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RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? - 11/9/2016 9:15:56 PM   
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Aren't you a Canadian?


I just live there.

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RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? - 11/9/2016 9:21:55 PM   
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How obligated is Trump to follow the GOP playbook and wish list?

Trump is not following the GOP playbook and wish list.
But he'll need some serious negotiation skills right now, to negotiate for things to go through.

Every step of the way, he has made the impossible possible.

So his win is a miracle on itself. And he did it breaking every rule.

It's gonna be an exciting 4 years, watching him do everything unconventionally.

Don't know how he is going to do it, but it will not be the regular way.

Because As Trump has proven himself. Trump gets things done Trump way!

And the way he uses would have failed for everybody else but him.

He has ignored and defied every expert on how to win the election and won it.

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RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? - 11/9/2016 11:04:45 PM   
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Where in the book does it say the President has to unite the People ? Show me. Far as I can tell it simply is not his job.

My take on it is this - I was never taught to really be a racist. Grampa said "The only daygo you can trust is a dead daygo" but one of my best friends is Italian. And we did plenty of business in the past and never fucked each other, in fact he might have gotten fucked. He owned a video tape rental shop and my rates were it is due back when I call you and it is nothing a day. Over the years doing business (I used to fix VCRs) I did lose a couple of his tapes.

Then, I am young ad sell a TV on Tradin' Times and Blacks bought it and paid with a check. I took the check and it was no good. Then the first person I ever hired when I was in business was Black.

Bottom line is that I was not taught racism, I leared it on my own. If you call that hate then go ahead but I am an equal opportunity hater, I don't take checks from anyone anymore, especially with these new federal regulations. The only thing other than cash money (and you better look hard at that) is a postal money order. There is an 800 umber you can call.

People must do their own uniting. To do that we need some degree of prosperity. I have done business with and partied with a bunch of Blacks and Puerto Ricans and had a good time at it. I've been fucked over more by Whites actually. But then being like 80 % of the population the odds are pretty much better of that. That is because Whites are not inherently better. We have certain traits but that doesn't mean much. Postal money order or cash.

I used to shun Gays. I thought it was willful until I had a pretty in depth conversation with one. I was working for my buddy Jack, a contractor. So was I, we worked for each other and whoever got the job wasd the boss of course and we respected that ad rebuilt a few houses. So his customer, he told me is a "flaming faggot" ad even has the "fag flag" in his yard. Well, the money still spends and though it is still abhorrent to me to touch another Man "that way", I learned something.

Always, after work we got some beer and surveyed the work and one day he walks in ad we have a discussion. He was very happy with the work except for one fuckup involving a fireplace insert. But he said a few things.

Basically, he did not choose this, nobody would. You are ostracised, picked on and discriminated against, though he really wasn't so much in later life. He was Colin Powell's personal chef while in the navy. He got out during the "don't ask don't tell" era. He has a picture of himself with Bill Clinton, and Powell and a few others. He really is a superior cook.

But the details about being a homosexual, he said you do not get it, when I look at a Woman I do not get turned on. He wanted Men. He wants it up the ass.

I don't know what made him this way but he has every right to live his life, as good as he can make it. And he was doing alright last I checked. He had been a city councilman as well.

So I learned something and even though I am not going to participate, I can understand.

How the fuck can a President do that ?

Well I have some ideas on how Trump could help with uniting the country though he simply cannot do it alone. Obama, to his credit, supported body cams on cops. Trump would do well to continue that, and maybe even go so far as to support federal legislation to require them, AND THE RELEASE OF THE VIDEOS TAKEN TO THE PUBLIC. This is important.

There was a case a couple years ago where the defendant said that the video would prove him innocent and the judge said pretty much that those cameras are not to bust the cops and he disallowed the evidence. This must not be allowed and the feds can do that. All those videos go into a national database where any defense attorney can access them. That should quiet up BLM a bit. And you know they shoot some Whites too, so this is good for all of us. And if it relieves some racial tension, that would be great, and I think it would. We have the technology to do this easily. Do it.

Another thing would be to make it illegal in this country for an employer to force workers to accept direct deposit. Banks are making a killing in fees and if you don't pay the you cannot get paid from your job.

It is like if you got automatic bill pay and they miscalculate your water bill (it happens here more than it should) they just take your money and then you go buy a new shirt and you are overdrawn, ad then for three bucks you have to pay three hundred. I have seen it happen more than once. It never happened to me but still, if we do not stand together we will surely fall apart. I do not deal with banks and I got good reason. I CAN have an account because they don't have a claim on me, but I choose not to. I deal in cash.

But alot of people do not have that option. The banks are giving the bigger companies a really sweet deal to force direct deposit on their employees. There was a lawsuit over that in Pennsylvania a year or two ago but I didn't keep up on it.

Another thing the feds could do is make some restrictions o what can be a felony. So because you sold a nickel bag of weed when you were 19 you can't have a gun when you are 85 ? Bullshit.

That IS THE JOB of the federal government, to keep states from violating your Constitutional rights. They do not belong in the middle east, they did not belong in South America in the early 1900s and they actually did not belong in WW2.

So why were they ?

M O N E Y. Ask Smedley Butler

Nobody can really unite this country, but a President with a friendly congress (which I doubt he has but might) could really lower the hate level. Fact is, Blacks are fucked with more by law enforcement. But that is because they are more likely to be involved in illegal activity. (note I did not say criminal)

You know, Obama got elected. Now Blacks are what, 12 % of the population ? I really thought it was higher. So one thing we might have to drill into their heads is that we (Whites) DID vote for a Black President. Quit hating us. and quit the shit or we will teach you how to kill. We invented it.

Mutual respect is what can unite this country. there is simply no action the government can do that will do it. All they can do is affect the environment. The best way, in my view is to ASSURE fairness at all levels of government from the dog catcher to the internationals who really run the country. We owe othing ore than fairness, anything more is White guilt and I will not participate.

The best Trump can do is get these people jobs. And the government cannot create enough jobs because the money comes from taxes. We need private money coming in to start businesses n shit like that. What he, and his republican congress must do is to make it attractive to people with that money to put it back into circulation. Honestly, I don't know if he knows how to do it or would once he found out. Tax assets. I know that is fucked up but there is no other way I can see.

Got any better ideas ? I am all ears.

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RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? - 11/10/2016 2:07:38 AM   
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He might start by passing out participation trophies to those that voted for Hillary. They like that kind of thing.


Actually, he's probably going to label civil rights groups terrorist organizations and shut them down by force.

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RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? - 11/10/2016 2:52:46 AM   
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How obligated is Trump to follow the GOP playbook and wish list?


He has ignored and defied every expert on how to win the election and won it.


He didn't defy every expert actually... He just used the playbook Hitler used in post WWI Germany. It's just that humanity was hoping that a lesson had been learned, and that wasn't a viable way to win anymore.

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RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? - 11/10/2016 4:07:38 AM   
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He can't unite the country because the so called "values" he and his followers represent - arrogance, ignorance, racism, sexism, bullying and cruelty - are not acceptable to decent, intelligent people.

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RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? - 11/10/2016 4:18:10 AM   
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He can't unite the country because the so called "values" he and his followers represent - arrogance, ignorance, racism, sexism, bullying and cruelty - are not acceptable to decent, intelligent people.

Except he is not promoting any of these things you said at all.

This is the problem!

It's like half of America gets IT, that he is not saying any of these things or supporting any of these things and then the other half of America are just like have something wrong in their brain that they translate anything Trump says, into racism, sexism etc.


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RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? - 11/10/2016 4:22:02 AM   
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He can't unite the country because the so called "values" he and his followers represent - arrogance, ignorance, racism, sexism, bullying and cruelty - are not acceptable to decent, intelligent people.

Except he is not promoting any of these things you said at all.

This is the problem!

It's like half of America gets IT, that he is not saying any of these things or supporting any of these things and then the other half of America are just like have something wrong in their brain that they translate anything Trump says, into racism, sexism etc.




Greta have you been watching anything he has said and done over the past year or so? If so, I would suggest you put down the Kool Aid you are drinking and go back and review.

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RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? - 11/10/2016 4:32:19 AM   
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Greta have you been watching anything he has said and done over the past year or so? If so, I would suggest you put down the Kool Aid you are drinking and go back and review.


You're talking to someone who insists that different races shouldn't have babies together while still claiming not to be racist.

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RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? - 11/10/2016 4:50:33 AM   
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How Can Trump Unite the Country?

He can't, the US is far to divided to be united, just look at the virulent partisanship of many of the posts in this thread.

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