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If you have read my posts these past few months, you know that I would probably be labeled as belonging with the alarmist group than a complacent group. I detest Trump. But the fact is that he won, fair and square, surprising even himself, I believe.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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If you have read my posts these past few months, you know that I would probably be labeled as belonging with the alarmist group than a complacent group. I detest Trump. But the fact is that he won, fair and square, surprising even himself, I believe.

He didn't. He got less personal support than did Clinton. This is what's known as a 'democratic deficit'. It arises because the USA has a shitty electoral system - like that of the UK.

If I were living in the USA, I'd assume it to be *my absolute duty* to oppose Trump. I wouldn't give an oscillating rat's anus that the majority vote in the electoral colleges have adjudged Trump's views on so many matters to be correct - I would *know* that they're wrong and that it's *my responsibility* to oppose him. He is simply wrong on his views about climate change, for instance. On that alone, I'd oppose him, and do my best to disrupt whatever he wants to do on that score. I would make no apologies for that whatsoever.

In short, his winning the election means nothing, when it comes to how easy I'd allow it to be for him to carry out his policies. But that's democracy for you: it absolutely does not, and should not, end at any given election. Democracy means 'rule by the people' ... a presidential election is just one, and only one, of the means of achieving that.

Frankly, the bottom line for me would be: I'd have no intention at all of just sitting back quietly and letting that bullshitting, ignorant, incompetent, psychopathic arse carry on with his insane plan to fuck up my country for me. It would be my responsibility and my duty for me to do my best to prevent him from doing so - as a citizen and a patriot, living in a democratically-based nation that I want to see survive and prosper.

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It would be my responsibility and my duty for me to do my best to prevent him from doing so - as a citizen and a patriot, living in a democratically-based nation that I want to see survive and prosper.

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That's so fucking funny. For the last eight years I've heard so much shit from liberals about republicans in congress opposing Obama as if it was a hanging offense. Apparently now the shoe is on the other foot and for eight years I'll have to listen to liberals bitch about how it's a moral duty to oppose Trump.

Why are liberals always bitching?

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It would be my responsibility and my duty for me to do my best to prevent him from doing so - as a citizen and a patriot, living in a democratically-based nation that I want to see survive and prosper.

And Trump voters felt the same way about Hillary.

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Oh I don't know, but maybe stop acting as though it is some sort of apocalypse.

Too easy to be an alarmist - but also too easy to be a 'complacentist'. I remember reading about a book, written by an eminent historian of the day - all facts marshalled in superb detail; coherent and incisive arguments throughout ... that came to the supremely confident and authoritative conclusion that there'd never be another world war. It was published in 1938. (I can't remember the historian's name - not many can: his stature waned somewhat after WW2.)

If you have read my posts these past few months, you know that I would probably be labeled as belonging with the alarmist group than a complacent group. I detest Trump. But the fact is that he won, fair and square, surprising even himself, I believe.

It's done. He will be President. Acceptance of reality doesn't mean be complacent. Finding a way to deal with reality in a constructive manner is what I choose to do. Exercising my rights and responsibilities as a citizen, continuing to speak up for my rights and the rights of others, voting for candidates who I believe in, advocate for the things I believe in.

It's still my country, and like it or not, Trump is now my President. I am not going to be like the people that I have sat around and watched for the past 8 years bitch and moan about Obama, cheer on partisan blockades because Obama, grasp misleading or downright untrue "news" so they can justify and feel better about their own behavior, etc.

He is already waffling on key campaign promises, which proves he is going to be just as unpredictable for the people who elected him as he was for those of us who voted against him.

Frankly, the predictions of him getting impeached don't sound so farfetched to me. And if he is forced to leave office, that leaves us with Pence, who IMHO is not much of an improvement.

Said he wasn't going to do it and then went full out and did it. All in one post.

Who is he? And what did he do?

You said, "I'm not going to be like the people that I have sat around an watched..." Then you did exactly what you said you weren't going to do. The entire post was sitting, bitching, making us watch you.

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If you have read my posts these past few months, you know that I would probably be labeled as belonging with the alarmist group than a complacent group. I detest Trump. But the fact is that he won, fair and square, surprising even himself, I believe.

He didn't. He got less personal support than did Clinton. This is what's known as a 'democratic deficit'. It arises because the USA has a shitty electoral system - like that of the UK.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Oh I don't know, but maybe stop acting as though it is some sort of apocalypse.

Too easy to be an alarmist - but also too easy to be a 'complacentist'. I remember reading about a book, written by an eminent historian of the day - all facts marshalled in superb detail; coherent and incisive arguments throughout ... that came to the supremely confident and authoritative conclusion that there'd never be another world war. It was published in 1938. (I can't remember the historian's name - not many can: his stature waned somewhat after WW2.)

If you have read my posts these past few months, you know that I would probably be labeled as belonging with the alarmist group than a complacent group. I detest Trump. But the fact is that he won, fair and square, surprising even himself, I believe.

It's done. He will be President. Acceptance of reality doesn't mean be complacent. Finding a way to deal with reality in a constructive manner is what I choose to do. Exercising my rights and responsibilities as a citizen, continuing to speak up for my rights and the rights of others, voting for candidates who I believe in, advocate for the things I believe in.

It's still my country, and like it or not, Trump is now my President. I am not going to be like the people that I have sat around and watched for the past 8 years bitch and moan about Obama, cheer on partisan blockades because Obama, grasp misleading or downright untrue "news" so they can justify and feel better about their own behavior, etc.

He is already waffling on key campaign promises, which proves he is going to be just as unpredictable for the people who elected him as he was for those of us who voted against him.

Frankly, the predictions of him getting impeached don't sound so farfetched to me. And if he is forced to leave office, that leaves us with Pence, who IMHO is not much of an improvement.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Oh I don't know, but maybe stop acting as though it is some sort of apocalypse.

Too easy to be an alarmist - but also too easy to be a 'complacentist'. I remember reading about a book, written by an eminent historian of the day - all facts marshalled in superb detail; coherent and incisive arguments throughout ... that came to the supremely confident and authoritative conclusion that there'd never be another world war. It was published in 1938. (I can't remember the historian's name - not many can: his stature waned somewhat after WW2.)

If you have read my posts these past few months, you know that I would probably be labeled as belonging with the alarmist group than a complacent group. I detest Trump. But the fact is that he won, fair and square, surprising even himself, I believe.

It's done. He will be President. Acceptance of reality doesn't mean be complacent. Finding a way to deal with reality in a constructive manner is what I choose to do. Exercising my rights and responsibilities as a citizen, continuing to speak up for my rights and the rights of others, voting for candidates who I believe in, advocate for the things I believe in.

It's still my country, and like it or not, Trump is now my President. I am not going to be like the people that I have sat around and watched for the past 8 years bitch and moan about Obama, cheer on partisan blockades because Obama, grasp misleading or downright untrue "news" so they can justify and feel better about their own behavior, etc.

He is already waffling on key campaign promises, which proves he is going to be just as unpredictable for the people who elected him as he was for those of us who voted against him.

Frankly, the predictions of him getting impeached don't sound so farfetched to me. And if he is forced to leave office, that leaves us with Pence, who IMHO is not much of an improvement.

I'm voting for Dizzy and Wayward to share the "Best Post" award.

K.

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That's so fucking funny. For the last eight years I've heard so much shit from liberals about republicans in congress opposing Obama as if it was a hanging offense. Apparently now the shoe is on the other foot and for eight years I'll have to listen to liberals bitch about how it's a moral duty to oppose Trump.

Why are liberals always bitching?

Good question, Nnanji. If you want a harmonious nation in which everyone works together, as Trump says he wants, I guess you'd better find an answer to it. I think 'bitching' probably understates what's to come, somewhat.

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This is twice now, in the last 16 years, when the person who won the popular vote lost, because of the rigged Electoral College.

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Can you imagine if trump won the Popular Vote but Hillary won the Electoral College? The trump supporters would have been marching through Washington D.C., with their guns and all, screaming how the process is rigged. Yet, they are fine, just as long as their guy gets in. What a joke.

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This is twice now, in the last 16 years, when the person who won the popular vote lost, because of the rigged Electoral College.

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They will never abolish the EC as long as we are the USA.