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Greta75 -> RE: Twitter being Left Wing Nazis (11/17/2016 5:19:49 PM)
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
Well, you can always ignore Twitter and focus exclusively on right wing media. They actually do this thing where they take random Twitter comments made by people no one has ever heard of and use them as 'evidence' that social justice has gone mad.
I'm sure that's all you really care to hear about anyways.
For the record. I am actually not on twitter or facebook personally. But I am simply recognising that, THIS is the go to media for millenials. Personally for me, for my news, I am sooo old school, I like physical papers that I can hold in my hands. Plain old school, real newspaper that I can touch and flip the pages and that is what I usually read. So I still read those everyday, but have to supplement with some online news portals, otherwise I get only Singaporean Bias News.
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We've had plenty of arguments on this board, but absolutely no one has changed their mind or reached any sort of compromise ever. You think that Twitter is so different? Come on.
How many people are in this board? Very few. Not a good percentage. People do change their minds and change positions. Especially in this election, people were very divided as when you got 2 candidates that most people don't like. I think they really show it by not turning up to vote at all.
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No one is stopping the right from coming up with their own version of Twitter. They already came up with FOX, the first pure propaganda channel... and so began the descent into absolute stupidity. I'm sure that they could do the same with Twitter.
I agree they need to come up with a competition for twitter so that they can be the one in control. That's what I said right from my OP.
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Anyone who at this point is afraid of an echo chamber or thinks that they are actually interested in listening to opposing views is just kidding themselves.
Everyone is interested in opposing views, that's why they are even in a political forum, to engage with the opposing views and hear about them. BUT listening doesn't mean agreeing. It simply means, knowing what the opposition precisely thinks and how they reach to their conclusion. In a mature and open society, everybody should be able to express their different and diverse views without getting upset with each other and wanting to shut down each other's opinions and speeches.
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Like anyone else who identifies deeply with a political perspective, liberals are not obligated to tolerate perspectives that directly clash with their own. I'm not going to admit that Nazis might have a point when they practice hate speech... and if someone wants to shut them down, I say good. I will never understand why people seem to think that leaning left somehow obligates you to be infinitely more tolerant than someone who leans right.
Because Left sells themselves as the more tolerant and humane position than the right. It's the hypocrisy that is the problem.
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No you don't believe in freedom of expression, diversity or individuality. You have openly admitted that you think Muslim women should not be allowed to wear their hijab.
Because from my point of view, these Muslim women get beaten by their fathers and husbands for not wearing their hijab. And I see banning the hijab is liberating them. To me, it's protecting them from being forced, and also, so that their abusive fathers and husband can't hide the abuse. They are all covered up, so you can never see if they were being hurt. I have a perfectly good reason. Their religion ENCOURAGES wife beating dude! It's like the only freaking religion in the world, that literally writes in their holy quran to freaking BEAT YOUR WIFE IF she disobeys you. And the Left should be pro-policies that protect women and not caused them to be even more victimized. It's coming from an angle where this clothing is oppressing them and not liberating them. They can dress as conservative and covered up as they want in long sleeves t-shirt and jeans. Do you know wearing jeans is considered too "flaunting of their sexuality" in Muslim countries too?
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If you believed in freedom of expression you would care that these people want to do it and you would say 'well, if they want to wear it, and it's not hurting anyone, it's not my place to say they can't', instead of 'the hijab is a symbol of oppression and must be banned'. Calling these women victims and denying that they have autonomy doesn't excuse you, in fact, it just makes it worse. You don't understand them well enough to make that call.
I understand Muslims more than you do. You don't live in a country with Sharia laws. I do! I grew up around Muslims. My best girlfriend is Muslim. I was taken care by a Muslim family, my own parents have an arrangement with a Muslim family to send me to school and pick me up while I hang out in their homes, till it's time for my parents to pick me up. Their daughter was my best friend. And her life sucks. Like seriously. Being beaten up for not wearing the hijab and getting grounded for it. She wants to wear short skirts and pretty dresses like me so she would always sneak out of her home in her hijab and then change into normal clothes when in my home, so we can both go out in pretty dresses together.
Few of us have traveled to Saudi Arabia, but I know alot of people who travels there for work, and ALL of them tell me, the moment the plane takes off and is safely in the air from Saudi, ALL the women shed their hijabs and inside it, pretty normal clothes.
They are so fearful to shed it in Saudi Arabia as you know they would be dragged to jail.
THIS is what the left wants to support and fight to protect? That oppressing garb?
To me, I want all woman to be free and wear what they want. But until ALL muslim countries stop forcing women to wear the Hijab. The west needs to ban it. When Muslim countries allows their women to wear other clothes, then all is good. The Hijab is no longer a symbol of oppression. We want to make sure CHOICE of clothings gets implemented in their country, so we need to PROTEST against the specific clothing they are forcing their women to wear.
I mean it's incomparable. If the west ban like 1 clothings and they can wear like ANYTHING else, But just this one clothes. Compared to Muslim countries who ban ALL types of clothings and allow only 1 form of clothing. And end of the day, IS THIS REALLY WHAT WE WANT to teach women it's normal to wear? I am imagining all these women being black and blue inside those garb, that's why they gotta hide all the bruises! I am all for banning THIS until these women are allowed to wear something else by their religion!
I mean have you seen these poor women try to eat? I have! Many in Malaysia. It's terrible. Imagine eating spaghetti and then having to navigate putting the fork through all that veil. They can't take their head gear off AT ALL. I get sooo pissed off! Because I know they would get punished by their husbands IF they dare take it off in public!
And it angers me that Muslim women in west, in the safety of western laws, that allows them to wear what they want, are spending more time fighting for love and acceptance for their trendier head scarfs THAN actually fighting for their fellow Muslim women to be allowed to WEAR what they want from the country they came from!
There is a lack of rage coming from them, that the RELIGION They support are doing THIS to their women! In another words, as far as I am concern, their true goal is to make sure when their Muslim sisters come to the US, their husbands will continually be able to force them to cover up like this. IF US banned this hijab, their husbands wouldn't be able to force them to cover up anymore. Imagine that! I don't know why people want to support this disgusting culture!
I welcome Muslim women to defend this attire all they want, but they will not be able to convince me why IT IS necessary to dress like this except of course because their Quran says so. The precise VERSE says, woman needs to cover up except what is necessary to remain uncovered and women body jiggle cannot be seen, thus the baggy clothes. SO technically, eyes is the only necessary as you need to see where you are going, but they have managed to find a way around that, with this garb!
It's also not disrespecting their culture to expect them to when in rome, be like rome. Because if I were to fly to Saudi, I will have to dress like them too! So why the double standards? Why can't they dress like the west when they come to the west?
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