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Kirata -> The Two Americas (11/17/2016 11:28:45 AM)
An interesting graphic from the New York Times... For many Americans, it feels as if the 2016 election split the country in two. To visualize this, we took the election results and created two new imaginary nations by slicing the country along the sharp divide between Republican and Democratic Americas. [image]https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2016/11/14/trump-clinton-islands/9ebf5786c489dd7ebfdb81741f50a6639f195114/topmap-Artboard_1.png[/image] Trump's America is on the left, Clinton's on the right. Story continues at the link. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/16/us/politics/the-two-americas-of-2016.html K.

heavyblinker -> RE: The Two Americas (11/17/2016 11:49:01 AM)
Urban voted Clinton, rural voted Trump. This isn't such a surprise... major cities always tend to lean left.

Kirata -> RE: The Two Americas (11/17/2016 12:10:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Urban voted Clinton, rural voted Trump. This isn't such a surprise... major cities always tend to lean left. Yeah, I apologize. I shouldn't have said it was a surprise. Oh wait, I didn't. K.

tj444 -> RE: The Two Americas (11/17/2016 12:38:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata An interesting graphic from the New York Times... For many Americans, it feels as if the 2016 election split the country in two. To visualize this, we took the election results and created two new imaginary nations by slicing the country along the sharp divide between Republican and Democratic Americas. [image]https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2016/11/14/trump-clinton-islands/9ebf5786c489dd7ebfdb81741f50a6639f195114/topmap-Artboard_1.png[/image] Trump's America is on the left, Clinton's on the right. Story continues at the link. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/16/us/politics/the-two-americas-of-2016.html K. Looking at Clintons America, most of that is in areas that will be underwater with climate change.. no wonder Trump & the Rs deny climate change, they want as many Democrat voters as possible to drown as the seas rise!.. [:D]

stef -> RE: The Two Americas (11/17/2016 12:42:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Urban voted Clinton, rural voted Trump. This isn't such a surprise... major cities always tend to lean left. Yeah, I apologize. I shouldn't have said it was a surprise. Oh wait, I didn't. What about it did you find interesting?

tamaka -> RE: The Two Americas (11/17/2016 12:45:54 PM)
I think it's interesting how the education system has been used to develop such a powerful cult.

mnottertail -> RE: The Two Americas (11/17/2016 1:07:35 PM)
What powerful cult? The one that says our immigration problem is at the southern border? The one that says the constitution is just one half of a sentence in the 2nd amendment? The one that says free market communism is good? The one that says we are not spending enough of the Military?

Kirata -> RE: The Two Americas (11/17/2016 1:12:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Urban voted Clinton, rural voted Trump. This isn't such a surprise... major cities always tend to lean left. Yeah, I apologize. I shouldn't have said it was a surprise. Oh wait, I didn't. What about it did you find interesting? When presented with data, or a phrase like "cities" versus "rural," I'm always curious to see what that would actually look like. We are highly visually-oriented creatures and we process visual information much more rapidly than pages full of numbers. I think it's interesting how a graphic can capture and present a ton of dry numerical data in an impactful way. K.

Kirata -> RE: The Two Americas (11/17/2016 1:23:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail The one that says we are not spending enough of the Military? Personally I think we've spent enough "of" the Military, and a lot of other lives in the bargain. K.

tamaka -> RE: The Two Americas (11/17/2016 1:26:24 PM)
Yes well the more you spend on it the less of it you need to spend.

Wayward5oul -> RE: The Two Americas (11/17/2016 1:59:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka I think it's interesting how the education system has been used to develop such a powerful cult. Yes, because the only places with an education system are the cult areas.

sloguy02246 -> RE: The Two Americas (11/17/2016 2:05:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Urban voted Clinton, rural voted Trump. This isn't such a surprise... major cities always tend to lean left. Yeah, I apologize. I shouldn't have said it was a surprise. Oh wait, I didn't. What about it did you find interesting? When presented with data, or a phrase like "cities" versus "rural," I'm always curious to see what that would actually look like. We are highly visually-oriented creatures and we process visual information much more rapidly than pages full of numbers. I think it's interesting how a graphic can capture and present a ton of dry numerical data in an impactful way. K. Wondering if an overlay of population densities would enhance the "graphic" as it is presented here.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: The Two Americas (11/17/2016 2:21:19 PM)
the problem with those maps is that they are wrong, as there were Clinton voters in all the Trump areas and Trump voters in all the Clinton areas. The split is artificial, being based on the winning vote (which was not always the majority vote) by county, and therefore ignores all the minority voters. The ideological divide is not as solidly geographical as that map suggests.

tamaka -> RE: The Two Americas (11/17/2016 3:12:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka I think it's interesting how the education system has been used to develop such a powerful cult. Yes, because the only places with an education system are the cult areas. Now i understand why they want a free college education for everyone.

stef -> RE: The Two Americas (11/17/2016 5:34:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata When presented with data, or a phrase like "cities" versus "rural," I'm always curious to see what that would actually look like. We are highly visually-oriented creatures and we process visual information much more rapidly than pages full of numbers. I think it's interesting how a graphic can capture and present a ton of dry numerical data in an impactful way. Fair enough. Thanks for clarifying.

Wayward5oul -> RE: The Two Americas (11/17/2016 7:41:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka I think it's interesting how the education system has been used to develop such a powerful cult. Yes, because the only places with an education system are the cult areas. Now i understand why they want a free college education for everyone. Good, I guess that proves Kirata's point how graphics or other visual representations of data can impact understanding. I am sure he appreciated your willingness to play such an active role in this.

heavyblinker -> RE: The Two Americas (11/17/2016 8:32:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Urban voted Clinton, rural voted Trump. This isn't such a surprise... major cities always tend to lean left. Yeah, I apologize. I shouldn't have said it was a surprise. Oh wait, I didn't. What about it did you find interesting? I'm pretty sure he just liked the fact that the Trump space is big and the Hillary space is small. OH LOOK ALL OF THIS EMPTY SPACE SUPPORTS TRUMP, TAKE THAT LIBERALS!!

tamaka -> RE: The Two Americas (11/17/2016 8:52:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Urban voted Clinton, rural voted Trump. This isn't such a surprise... major cities always tend to lean left. Yeah, I apologize. I shouldn't have said it was a surprise. Oh wait, I didn't. What about it did you find interesting? I'm pretty sure he just liked the fact that the Trump space is big and the Hillary space is small. OH LOOK ALL OF THIS EMPTY SPACE SUPPORTS TRUMP, TAKE THAT LIBERALS!! By empty space do you mean land that taxpayers pay taxes on?

Kirata -> RE: The Two Americas (11/17/2016 9:21:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: stef What about it did you find interesting? I'm pretty sure he just liked the fact that the Trump space is big and the Hillary space is small. OH LOOK ALL OF THIS EMPTY SPACE SUPPORTS TRUMP, TAKE THAT LIBERALS!! You need to stop listening to what your lamp socket tells you. It is not your friend. K.

heavyblinker -> RE: The Two Americas (11/17/2016 9:24:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka By empty space do you mean land that taxpayers pay taxes on? Yes... what's your point? Do you think that having more land entitles them to more votes?

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