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RE: Trump to hit cities funding for sanctuary - 11/21/2016 6:54:57 AM   
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Yup, there's no shortage of high school dropouts and people with bogus college "degrees" to do those jobs.

Like the one you claim to have?


I picked flowers and tomatoes when I was 12-13 after school. It was hard "stoop labor" but I liked it and made $1.00 an hour.


Previously you told us how you worked for a couple of gangsters that you stole from.

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RE: Trump to hit cities funding for sanctuary - 11/21/2016 6:58:49 AM   
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in what universe is paraphrasing scripture is a partisan lie comrade??


In amerika where the constitution and not the bible is the convening authority dumbass.


and to what extent conservatives or republicans actually pay attention to that maxim is immaterial.

Then why quote it if it does not apply to all comrade?

whats more, the demographic at hand are those "unwilling to work", not those who are but who could just some extra help.

That would be your ignorant unsubstantiated opinion which at current market valuation is worth less than the price of used shit paper.

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RE: Trump to hit cities funding for sanctuary - 11/21/2016 7:01:41 AM   
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so long as government helps people who wont work, to eat, many of those people will not work when the opportunity becomes available to them.

How do you know this? Is it from first hand experience?

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RE: Trump to hit cities funding for sanctuary - 11/21/2016 7:07:15 AM   
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please pay attention in life.

generally speaking democrats AND republicans value different things and are willing to use government to achieve those ends.

however, even in that paradigm, the republicans are at least beholden to the constitution, while its the democrats who are notorious for exceeding its limitations.


Perhaps you could give us some examples of this.

whats more, within the republican party is a strain of people who are indeed for a smaller more limited government. to act like they don't exist is a misrepresentation.

Which particular part of the federal government would you make smaller or non existant?


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RE: Trump to hit cities funding for sanctuary - 11/21/2016 8:05:52 AM   
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What Muslim registry?
Who's waterboarding?
Who's ignoring the amendments?
Why are you prattling on about shit you've admitted you're ignorant about?

you didnt take any notice of trumps positions in the run up to election?
Muslim Registry
Session, Preibus, trump and pence talking about it.
Torture has been mentioned, waterboarding, etc by Trump, And Pence, John Mc Cain says its illegal and they will be prosecuted in a new york minute..(yesterday I believe)
Trump and the first amendment.
Trump appointing Conservative judges to get rid of roe vs wade.
Denying equal rights for EVERYONE.
Upholding the second is NOT the only part of the constitution.

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RE: Trump to hit cities funding for sanctuary - 11/21/2016 6:01:24 PM   
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beholden to the constitution..
really?
... how many times have republicans had "bills"" overturned because they are unconstitutional in the past six years???


I give up, how many?

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what utter bollocks you speak.
Not to mention healthcare,
Limited government if it means not letting flint residents have delivery of clean water because its expensive, limited government except when it comes to religion and anyones civil rights
Medicare, SS and medicaid all being "reformed" will not lead to less government.


Flint was a Republican failure?!? OMFG!!! LMFAO!! You really need to catch up with the times, there, Lucy. I am not exonerating the Repub's in Michigan, but you're ignoring that the Democrats were all over the place in that fuck-up, too.

But, to speak to bounty's point, the GOP is beholden to the Constitution probably only means they have to mention the Constitution, but not necessarily follow it.


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RE: Trump to hit cities funding for sanctuary - 11/21/2016 8:05:13 PM   
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Unemployment is so messed up that the way it's set up now, it incentives people to apply for jobs they are slightly unqualified for, and stay unemployed. That's the best way to game the current system. It also messes up any chance to having real data for true unemployment...

Why again is universal basic income such a bad idea? Seems like it would encourage people to be entrepreneurs...


Universal basic income? Where would the money come from and would everyone get it? Like would doctors and lawyers get it too, for example.


The fed could just print it, like they printed our way out of the recession. The idea is, yes doctors and and lawyers would get it too.

It sounds silly, I know, but how exactly will an employment based economy work once almost all jobs are automated? I'm talking real long term. I don't know that lawyers could be automated, but it seems like a machine could be made to do some of the things doctors do.

I see a point in time, maybe 50 years from now, where almost no jobs exist, except those to design better computers/robots/machines and maybe some service industry jobs like bartenders...I really think this could have already happened if it were pushed for, but no one is going to push for it except business leaders, which they are.

Not sure how any of the current economic models are going to work...

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RE: Trump to hit cities funding for sanctuary - 11/21/2016 8:14:56 PM   
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Unemployment is so messed up that the way it's set up now, it incentives people to apply for jobs they are slightly unqualified for, and stay unemployed. That's the best way to game the current system. It also messes up any chance to having real data for true unemployment...

Why again is universal basic income such a bad idea? Seems like it would encourage people to be entrepreneurs...


Universal basic income? Where would the money come from and would everyone get it? Like would doctors and lawyers get it too, for example.


The fed could just print it, like they printed our way out of the recession. The idea is, yes doctors and and lawyers would get it too.

It sounds silly, I know, but how exactly will an employment based economy work once almost all jobs are automated? I'm talking real long term. I don't know that lawyers could be automated, but it seems like a machine could be made to do some of the things doctors do.

I see a point in time, maybe 50 years from now, where almost no jobs exist, except those to design better computers/robots/machines and maybe some service industry jobs like bartenders...I really think this could have already happened if it were pushed for, but no one is going to push for it except business leaders, which they are.

Not sure how any of the current economic models are going to work...


You asked a great question, many have pondered for years.
Eventually, we will automate ourselves out of most jobs.
I can imagine a society in which 75-80% are unemployed-- it's going to be interesting, to say the least.


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RE: Trump to hit cities funding for sanctuary - 11/21/2016 8:19:56 PM   
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Unemployment is so messed up that the way it's set up now, it incentives people to apply for jobs they are slightly unqualified for, and stay unemployed. That's the best way to game the current system. It also messes up any chance to having real data for true unemployment...

Why again is universal basic income such a bad idea? Seems like it would encourage people to be entrepreneurs...


Universal basic income? Where would the money come from and would everyone get it? Like would doctors and lawyers get it too, for example.


The fed could just print it, like they printed our way out of the recession. The idea is, yes doctors and and lawyers would get it too.

It sounds silly, I know, but how exactly will an employment based economy work once almost all jobs are automated? I'm talking real long term. I don't know that lawyers could be automated, but it seems like a machine could be made to do some of the things doctors do.

I see a point in time, maybe 50 years from now, where almost no jobs exist, except those to design better computers/robots/machines and maybe some service industry jobs like bartenders...I really think this could have already happened if it were pushed for, but no one is going to push for it except business leaders, which they are.

Not sure how any of the current economic models are going to work...


You asked a great question, many have pondered for years.
Eventually, we will automate ourselves out of most jobs.
I can imagine a society in which 75-80% are unemployed-- it's going to be interesting, to say the least.



It is really interesting to think about.

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RE: Trump to hit cities funding for sanctuary - 11/21/2016 8:28:26 PM   
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I can imagine something/shades of the movie Soylent Green.
Similar to the scene when Edward G. Robinson is reminiscing over fruits, vegetables and meat.
In our future "scene" people will reminisce over the phenomenon of jobs.
We were told by our elders, that years ago many people actually had these things called jobs!
Wow! Really?

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RE: Trump to hit cities funding for sanctuary - 11/21/2016 8:31:35 PM   
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I can imagine something/shades of the movie Soylent Green.
Similar to the scene when Edward G. Robinson is reminiscing over fruits, vegetables and meat.
In our future "scene" people will reminisce over the phenomenon of jobs.
We were told by our elders, that years ago many people actually had these things called jobs!
Wow! Really?


Funny you mentioned that movie. I was just thinking about it tonight myself... but for different reasons. Voluntary population control.

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RE: Trump to hit cities funding for sanctuary - 11/21/2016 8:37:17 PM   
Marini


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I can imagine something/shades of the movie Soylent Green.
Similar to the scene when Edward G. Robinson is reminiscing over fruits, vegetables and meat.
In our future "scene" people will reminisce over the phenomenon of jobs.
We were told by our elders, that years ago many people actually had these things called jobs!
Wow! Really?


Funny you mentioned that movie. I was just thinking about it tonight myself... but for different reasons. Voluntary population control.


"Voluntary" population control , sounds like an oxymoron.
lol

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RE: Trump to hit cities funding for sanctuary - 11/21/2016 8:55:30 PM   
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"Voluntary" population control , sounds like an oxymoron.
lol


Doesn't have to be. Encouraging people to be gay or trans, rather than discouraging it would result in a lower population over time...

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RE: Trump to hit cities funding for sanctuary - 11/21/2016 9:46:32 PM   
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I can imagine something/shades of the movie Soylent Green.
Similar to the scene when Edward G. Robinson is reminiscing over fruits, vegetables and meat.
In our future "scene" people will reminisce over the phenomenon of jobs.
We were told by our elders, that years ago many people actually had these things called jobs!
Wow! Really?


Funny you mentioned that movie. I was just thinking about it tonight myself... but for different reasons. Voluntary population control.

You go first ok ? Let me just ho0pw that 'control' works

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RE: Trump to hit cities funding for sanctuary - 11/21/2016 9:49:27 PM   
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"Voluntary" population control , sounds like an oxymoron.
lol


Doesn't have to be. Encouraging people to be gay or trans, rather than discouraging it would result in a lower population over time...

Just invest in Trojans et al. Plus, for myself, no amount of encouragement will...well, ya'know.

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RE: Trump to hit cities funding for sanctuary - 11/22/2016 8:04:49 AM   
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There is no immigration clause in the Constitution. Our state likes Mexican immigrants. They do jobs like picking crops no one else is willing to do. There would be some support in this state if ALL immigration was banned. The H1B Visa program makes it very hard for recent college graduates to find jobs in Silicon Valley...


Do you think that's because brown people lack the cognitive skills that whites have, which are required to do construction jobs or go into sales, do factory work, or even wait tables?

How racist are you.

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RE: Trump to hit cities funding for sanctuary - 11/22/2016 8:14:37 AM   
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where did she say that?

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RE: Trump to hit cities funding for sanctuary - 11/22/2016 8:21:00 AM   
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beholden to the constitution..
really?
... how many times have republicans had "bills"" overturned because they are unconstitutional in the past six years???


I give up, how many?

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what utter bollocks you speak.
Not to mention healthcare,
Limited government if it means not letting flint residents have delivery of clean water because its expensive, limited government except when it comes to religion and anyones civil rights
Medicare, SS and medicaid all being "reformed" will not lead to less government.


Flint was a Republican failure?!? OMFG!!! LMFAO!! You really need to catch up with the times, there, Lucy. I am not exonerating the Repub's in Michigan, but you're ignoring that the Democrats were all over the place in that fuck-up, too.

But, to speak to bounty's point, the GOP is beholden to the Constitution probably only means they have to mention the Constitution, but not necessarily follow it.


Typical
Hello FLint is STILL not delivering water to all its residents. NOW. NOT a year ago, NOT two years ago NOW> OH my bad a judge said on the tenth...
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/11/10/michigan-flint-ordered-to-deliver-bottled-water-to-lead-tainted-homes.html

DETROIT—A judge on Thursday ordered delivery of bottled water to lead-tainted homes in Flint, Michigan, unless residents opt out or officials verify that a water filter has been properly installed.

Water is distributed for free at many sites in Flint. Residents who can’t get to a distribution site can call a community group for help, but U.S. District Judge David Lawson said it’s still not enough.

“The fact that such items are available does not mean that they are reliably accessible or effective in furnishing safe drinking water to every household,” he said. “Bottled water is heavy, and not all of Flint’s residents are capable of transporting the cases of water effectively.”

Flint residents are urged to use bottled water or filtered tap water while the city’s water system heals from lead contamination. Corrosive water from the Flint River wasn’t treated properly for 18 months.

It’s unclear how many people in the city of roughly 100,000 will get home delivery. Lawson said the state of Michigan and Flint must provide each home with four cases of bottled water per week per resident, if they qualify.

Delivery isn’t required if officials confirm that a filter has been installed and is working properly. Residents also can decline water.

oh and this from the 19th
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/19/502717949/water-crisis-continues-in-flint-after-judge-orders-water-delivery
The state of Michigan is fighting a judge's order mandating water delivery to Flint residents who need it. Democrat state Sen. Jim Ananich of Flint discusses the controversy.
In Flint, Mich., many residents are still struggling to get enough safe drinking water. It's been over a year and a half since the first city tests showed dangerous lead levels in a Flint resident's water. And last week, a federal judge demanded the state deliver safe bottled drinking water to all Flint residents who don't have functioning water filters. But the state of Michigan is challenging that order saying it would cost some $10 million a month to deliver the amount of water the court is asking for. And Michigan says it's not necessary because it already delivers bottled water to anyone who asks for it.


As for laws/bills being ruled unconstitutional how about four just in the last year(Texas, Kansas, and Wisconsin)
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/capitol_report/oklahoma-senate-passes-bill-to-make-it-a-felony-to/article_2ffd21c9-ce55-50f6-ada1-99c3a8f9bc66.html
3 states, Texas, Kansas WIsconsin oh and NC
http://www.collarchat.com/m_4934960/mpage_3/key_voter%252Claws/tm.htm#4935286

http://globalnews.ca/news/2857836/voter-id-law-pushed-by-republicans-in-3-states-ruled-unconstitutional/
drug testing.... unconstitutional
Banning sharia law
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2011/02/has-your-state-banned-sharia-map
Abortion laws repeatedly.
But no, Im not going to name them all, I have much better things to do than answer my own question with a few examples. When other people reject facts thats their problem and I have no desire to pander to ignorance, well, more than three times a day.


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RE: Trump to hit cities funding for sanctuary - 11/22/2016 8:48:18 AM   
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But, to speak to bounty's point, the GOP is beholden to the Constitution probably only means they have to mention the Constitution, but not necessarily follow it.


no, although that might be the case in some instances, I essentially mean this as a starting place:

"The Left, the Right, and the Constitution"

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To put the matter much too broadly, the Left/Right divide begins in a disagreement about the nature of the liberal society; the Left and the Right are really two kinds of liberalism. I took up this subject in NR last fall, writing:

The difference between these two kinds of liberalism — constitutionalism grounded in humility about human nature and progressivism grounded in utopian expectations — is a crucial fault line of our politics, and has divided the friends of liberty since at least the French Revolution. It speaks to two kinds of views about just what liberal politics is.

One view, which has always been the less common one, holds that liberal institutions were the product of countless generations of political and cultural evolution in the West, which by the time of the Enlightenment, and especially in Britain, had begun to arrive at political forms that pointed toward some timeless principles in which our common life must be grounded, that accounted for the complexities of society, and that allowed for a workable balance between freedom and effective government given the constraints of human nature. Liberalism, in this view, involves the preservation and gradual improvement of those forms because they allow us both to grasp the proper principles of politics and to govern ourselves well.

The other, and more common, view argues that liberal institutions were the result of a discovery of new political principles in the Enlightenment — principles that pointed toward new ideals and institutions, and toward an ideal society. Liberalism, in this view, is the pursuit of that ideal society. Thus one view understands liberalism as an accomplishment to be preserved and enhanced, while another sees it as a discovery that points beyond the existing arrangements of society. One holds that the prudent forms of liberal institutions are what matter most, while the other holds that the utopian goals of liberal politics are paramount. One is conservative while the other is progressive.

The principles that the progressive form of liberalism thought it had discovered were much like those that more conservative liberals believed society had arrived at through long experience: principles of natural rights that define the proper ends and bounds of government. Thus for a time, progressive and conservative liberals in America — such as Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine on one hand and James Madison and Alexander Hamilton on the other — seemed to be advancing roughly the same general vision of government. But when those principles failed to yield the ideal society (and when industrialism seemed to put that ideal farther off than ever), the more progressive or radical liberals abandoned these principles in favor of their utopian ambitions. At that point, progressive and conservative American liberals parted ways — the former drawn to post-liberal philosophies of utopian ends (often translated from German) while the latter continued to defend the restraining mechanisms of classical-liberal institutions and the skeptical worldview that underlies them.

That division is evident in many of our most profound debates today, and especially in the debate between the Left and the Right about the Constitution


Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/304179/left-right-and-constitution-yuval-levin

for the republicans, this is supposed to mean their thoughts/actions are grounded in the constitution, for democrats, this means leaving it behind in pursuit of utopia.

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RE: Trump to hit cities funding for sanctuary - 11/22/2016 12:07:25 PM   
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Naught but the purest of nutsucker asswipe. Voter ID, voter dumping, government as political asassination, religious persecution laws, and so on....They have only just begun to ignore the constitution, in their quest for a Dante's Inferno America.

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