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What's gonna happen - 11/27/2016 11:33:20 AM   
Hillwilliam


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In 4 years when:
There's no wall
There are still untold millions of illegals working
Hillary still hasn't been indicted
Coal mines are still closed because Big Oil of still fracking their brains out and outcompeting them
The rust belt is still rusting because no magical manufacturing jobs have shown up
The deficit is bigger than ever
The Affordable Care Act hasn't been scrapped
etc, etc, etc.


Who ya gonna blame?

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RE: What's gonna happen - 11/27/2016 11:49:47 AM   
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Yourselves.... for electing the circus peanut for president.


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RE: What's gonna happen - 11/27/2016 12:16:21 PM   
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IF we make it through four years of Drumpf. Someone out there in the world pisses off the orange freak and BOOM!! Vaporized in a nuclear war.

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RE: What's gonna happen - 11/27/2016 12:19:00 PM   
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If so... where do you think he should aim?

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RE: What's gonna happen - 11/27/2016 12:26:05 PM   
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Trump Tower!!

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RE: What's gonna happen - 11/27/2016 12:38:56 PM   
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Yourselves.... for electing the circus peanut for president.



In point of fact, "We the People" did not elect him.

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RE: What's gonna happen - 11/27/2016 12:42:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

In 4 years when:
There's no wall
There are still untold millions of illegals working
Hillary still hasn't been indicted
Coal mines are still closed because Big Oil of still fracking their brains out and outcompeting them
The rust belt is still rusting because no magical manufacturing jobs have shown up
The deficit is bigger than ever
The Affordable Care Act hasn't been scrapped
etc, etc, etc.


Who ya gonna blame?


What will happen is Trump will blame everyone else (for his failures) and that he didnt have enough time to do all of it, the suckers of America.. er,.. I mean the voters of America will then elect him for a second term.. Its gonna be quite a show..

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RE: What's gonna happen - 11/27/2016 12:45:04 PM   
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Well, enough voted to get him into the Whitehouse ahead of anyone else.

Whether you agree with the EC system or not, it's what you have.
So yes, you the people, voted him in.


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RE: What's gonna happen - 11/27/2016 12:45:57 PM   
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You mean sort of like how Obama blamed and is still blaming Bush 8 years later for all of Obama's failures. Exactly what positive change occurred in our country? Name three.

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RE: What's gonna happen - 11/27/2016 12:54:21 PM   
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I'll bite, but legitimately to answer your questions. I'm not trying to start a flame war. These are just my opinions.

"There's no wall"

As one progressive pundit put it, "Liberals took Trump literally but not seriously. Trump voters took Trump seriously but not literally". I can't speak for the other half of the country who voted for him but to me, his statements on "building a wall" meant we'd enforce our immigration laws and have borders. I didn't literally expect him to build a wall from California to Texas. As Bill Burr put it, "How many trips to Home Depot would that take?".

"There are still untold millions of illegals working"

The problem is not untold illegals working. The problem is untold (about 20 million) illegals with no education or job skills not working because there are no jobs for them. The cost of housing, food, education, etc will be a major burden on US taxpayers. It's already been reported that many illegals have been filing false returns with the IRS claiming earned income tax credits to the tune of $24K. Your tax dollars going to those who have neither built nor invested in this country or ever paid into the system may not bother you, but as a taxpayer, it bothers me.

"Hillary still hasn't been indicted"

There are those who supported Trump who felt this was a policy mandate and many others like myself who felt it was campaign rhetoric. I never expected him to win, much less indict a former Secretary of State. Those Trump voters who did are indeed disappointed but that's not the first time a politician from any party failed to deliver on a "promise" and it certainly won't be the last time. Moreover, it gains him no political capital to investigate or indict her and he'll need political capital in the years ahead.

"Coal mines are still closed because Big Oil of still fracking their brains out and outcompeting them"

Not sure on this one. If what's happening in Oklahoma with fracking induced earthquakes continues to happen, the insurance lobby might very well be pitted against big oil (there's an asshole party!). But by and large, I do think coal will continue to power more US plants with Trump in office than with Clinton.

"The rust belt is still rusting because no magical manufacturing jobs have shown up"

Both parties elites have embraced globalism for better or worse. I support populism but knew from the get-go that unless we had a populist house and senate, that was going nowhere. Still, better (to me) to vote for a populist candidate and send a message than a globalist candidate who unapologetically wants to send even more jobs overseas.

"The deficit is bigger than ever"

I have next to no hope that even with a Republican house, senate and president, we'll see a badly needed deficit reduction. But "next to no hope" is still more hope than I had for deficit reduction with Hillary in office.

"The Affordable Care Act hasn't been scrapped"

At his own peril since this is one Republicans will back. To me, the affordable care act is another social security ponzi scheme that forces the young to subsidize the old. The rising premiums are hard on those who are just starting out. I have no idea what he was talking about when suggesting that people could opt out while not allowing insurers to deny those with pre-existing conditions. It's forcing the young and healthy that don't use it (but must pay for it) that makes the entire program feasible for insurers who have to accept those with pre-existing conditions. My hope is that he scraps the whole thing but doubt that will be the case. It doesn't affect me either way but I didn't buy health insurance in my 20's and most of my 30's, instead choosing to invest that money in business which worked out for me. I would like it if younger people still had that option.

Overall, I just got very tired of the progressive inability to debate, all the name calling and all the shaming. Progressives want wholesale change in the US. Some people are resistant for legitimate reasons and some for foolish, misinformed reasons. But instead of actually debating and having constructive conversations with people of differing viewpoints, the far left decided it would just label everyone who didn't get onboard as racist, misogynist, xenophobic rural rubes. As a friend of mine put it, "If I say I don't agree with Black Lives Matter's politics because 90% of black men are killed by other black men (which is ignored by BLM, the liberal media and the Democratic party because that truth doesn't fit with their ideology), I'm called a racist". In reality, refusing to acknowledge inner city violence is far more damaging to inner city residents than law enforcement could ever be.

You could choose any social issue you want but in almost all cases, there was no debate or position arguments from the left. A 19 year old liberal college student sees anyone who wouldn't want transgender people using the bathroom of their choice as a backward moron. A conservative father of two thinks, "I don't want my 5 year old girl in the mall bathroom with a 45 year old man wearing a dress who obviously has mental problems". I don't know who is right, but I do know that dismissing other people entirely because their views are different was not a good strategy for the Democrats. This was the first time in my life I voted Republican and if the far left continues to be smug and dismissive of the concerns of others, it won't be the last.

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RE: What's gonna happen - 11/27/2016 1:01:24 PM   
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Doom indeed

bend the knee

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RE: What's gonna happen - 11/27/2016 1:20:42 PM   
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So refreshing to see a solid debate.

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RE: What's gonna happen - 11/27/2016 2:09:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: WCME


As one progressive pundit put it, "Liberals took Trump literally but not seriously. Trump voters took Trump seriously but not literally". I can't speak for the other half of the country who voted for him but to me, his statements on "building a wall" meant we'd enforce our immigration laws and have borders. I didn't literally expect him to build a wall from California to Texas. As Bill Burr put it, "How many trips to Home Depot would that take?".


It wasn't a progressive. I listen to RW radio a LOT and it was a conservative explaining why Trump won. Get your facts straight sock boy.

What he actually said was a MAJORITY of Trump voters took him seriously but not literally.
What about the minority....still millions of people.. ..who took him SERIOUSLY AND LITERALLY?


They're gonna be PISSED

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RE: What's gonna happen - 11/27/2016 2:14:20 PM   
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You mean sort of like how Obama blamed and is still blaming Bush 8 years later for all of Obama's failures. Exactly what positive change occurred in our country? Name three.


its not my country (thank gawd) and I have said many times that both parties are shite.. so dont go assuming I support Obama or his policies..

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RE: What's gonna happen - 11/27/2016 3:56:41 PM   
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Well it would make the Democratic candidate's job a lot easier, that's for sure.

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RE: What's gonna happen - 11/27/2016 4:04:48 PM   
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quote:

s one progressive pundit put it, "Liberals took Trump literally but not seriously. Trump voters took Trump seriously but not literally".

Actually no, it was Peter Thiel, and he is a conservative libertarian, and what he actually said was this: "the media is always taking [Trump] literally. I think a lot of the voters take him seriously but not literally."
http://qz.com/824650/peter-thiel-wants-america-to-take-donald-trump-seriously-but-not-literally/

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RE: What's gonna happen - 11/27/2016 4:28:11 PM   
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never mind...

< Message edited by bounty44 -- 11/27/2016 4:48:13 PM >

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RE: What's gonna happen - 11/27/2016 4:40:11 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

s one progressive pundit put it, "Liberals took Trump literally but not seriously. Trump voters took Trump seriously but not literally".

Actually no, it was Peter Thiel, and he is a conservative libertarian, and what he actually said was this: "the media is always taking [Trump] literally. I think a lot of the voters take him seriously but not literally."
http://qz.com/824650/peter-thiel-wants-america-to-take-donald-trump-seriously-but-not-literally/


As Christians would understand... it's the spirit of the law not the letter of the law.

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RE: What's gonna happen - 11/27/2016 4:47:20 PM   
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that phrase is not unique to Christianity.

whenever trump talked about "building the wall," I always took him literally.


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RE: What's gonna happen - 11/27/2016 5:03:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FelineRanger

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Yourselves.... for electing the circus peanut for president.



In point of fact, "We the People" did not elect him.


my frickin' goodness. our constitution actually begins with the phrase "we the people" and we follow the methods prescribed therein.

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