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tamaka -> Great Britain decides it's illegal to be homeless... (11/27/2016 8:35:03 PM)
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/367955-homelessness-great-britain-shame/

Lucylastic -> RE: Great Britain decides it's illegal to be homeless... (11/27/2016 9:13:20 PM)
Some more detailed information ...updated at the top link and info from a borough that did it. Homelessness has been a problem in the UK for a long time. Recently there was a lot of anti homeless activity. http://www.homeless.org.uk/facts-figures https://www.change.org/p/hackney-council-stop-criminalising-hackney-s-rough-sleepers http://www.hackneycitizen.co.uk/2015/05/15/hackneys-ban-rough-sleeping-criminalise-homeless-warns-charity/ http://www.hackney.gov.uk/Assets/Documents/Public-space-protection-order.pdf

Greta75 -> RE: Great Britain decides it's illegal to be homeless... (11/27/2016 9:27:33 PM)
Wow, that is the craziest thing to do. Fine homeless people for being homeless! It does not make sense! In my country, homeless people get picked up, given homes and sent for job interviews. The government LITERALLY find them a job as well, and will have some place to stay, although it is on sharing basis but will have a roof, until they can financially rent their own place. Like, that's how you deal with homeless people. Not fine them! The solution seems stupid! I can't even believe it's implemented. But we have abundance of jobs, so I guess it's easy to help them find jobs compared to UK where jobs are harder I guess.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Great Britain decides it's illegal to be homeless... (11/27/2016 10:03:55 PM)
That's pretty fucking sad. I don't claim to know how to solve the problem of homelessness, but I am pretty sure that arrests and fines won't.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Great Britain decides it's illegal to be homeless... (11/27/2016 11:18:14 PM)
But ... but ... but ... the UK is so much more "advanced" and "forward-thinking" than we are [/sarcasm] Michael

MrRodgers -> RE: Great Britain decides it's illegal to be homeless... (11/27/2016 11:45:26 PM)
They might just as well pass a law making it illegal to be poor. Next, illegal to be stupid, ignorant or a fucking moron. The jails aren't big enough. Oops, then it would be illegal to be a politician. Reminds me of the bank robber who left the bank with a bag of money and waited sitting on the hood of his car. Asked why ? He replied...'hey 3 squares, health care and a roof in jail, is more than I have now.'

DaddySatyr -> RE: Great Britain decides it's illegal to be homeless... (11/27/2016 11:48:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers They might just as well pass a law making it illegal to be poor. Next, illegal to be stupid, ignorant or a fucking moron. If that law were passed, the island would be damned-near deserted

DomStrictMale -> RE: Great Britain decides it's illegal to be homeless... (11/28/2016 12:00:08 AM)
There is nothing "Great" about Britain.

Lucylastic -> RE: Great Britain decides it's illegal to be homeless... (11/28/2016 6:15:40 AM)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States#Criminalization_of_homelessness http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/15/report-cities-passing-more-laws-making-homelessness-crime.html https://mic.com/articles/115454/7-reasons-every-state-should-make-homelessness-a-crime-br#.s8cgqAlC2 http://nationalhomeless.org/WordPress/2011/07/the-10-most-ridiculous-anti-homeless-laws/ https://www.rt.com/usa/354409-veterans-homelessness-cut-nearly-half/ Canadas homeless problem http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/30-000-canadians-are-homeless-every-night-1.1413016 http://behindthenumbers.ca/2015/09/24/ten-things-to-know-about-homelessness-in-canada/ http://www.megaphonemagazine.com/stilldying Now despite the mental health care decimation by the conservatives in all three countries in the late 80s early 90s, the most obvious cause of homelessness is extreme poverty. In the US alone 51% of the population earns less that 30,000$ a year. but hey, there is no problem with poverty is there, they just need to drag themselves up by the bootstraps. get rid of that "slave mentality"..of course there is no income inequality at all eh? The ignorati have made all the horrible claims, but not one of them is "fact" based.

Motty -> RE: Great Britain decides it's illegal to be homeless... (11/28/2016 6:59:47 AM)
That's smart, just like fining people who can't afford health insurance is smart.

Lucylastic -> RE: Great Britain decides it's illegal to be homeless... (11/28/2016 7:06:02 AM)
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/justice-department-says-poor-can-t-be-held-when-they-n634676

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Great Britain decides it's illegal to be homeless... (11/28/2016 7:29:39 AM)
FR~ From OP's link: We've seen examples where the government has prioritized public spending on anything and everything except housing its own citizens. Strangely enough, there are basically three categories of "homeless". 1) Not actually wanting to be in your own home or being deliberately obnoxious so that nobody wants you. 2) Not affording your rent so you are made homeless by being thrown out. 3) Being a new immigrant. There are a number of people who actually (deliberately) don't want to have their own home. Strange but true. These are the ones you read about who live under bridges and in bus shelters for years. There are those who are offered temporary housing and refuse. There are also those who have some sort of issue (drugs, alcohol etc) who refuse treatment and end up with nobody putting up with their nasty and self-destructing behaviour and end up having nowhere to go. The next group are by far the biggest. It often happens because of the austerity measures and cuts instigated by the crappy government. In many cases, it is people losing their jobs or being put onto shorter work hours. There are also those who are having benefits cut or capped and cannot afford their rent and thus evicted. Most of these are because they rent from private landlords who have no compassion and are greedy. Can't blame the landlords for that; they just want their money. The situation has been exacerbated by a severe shortage of affordable social housing that has been getting worse, year on year for decades, by both ruling parties when they have been in power. The third group are not so numerous in themselves but actually compound others in the middle group. And this is down to stupid EU rules. If you are an immigrant, you get priority housing under EU regulations. If you ask anyone in the housing office, they'll tell you everyone is treated the same and assessed by the same rules. Really?? Well, it's true - but only to an extent. Everyone is assessed for housing needs and priority by a points system - and for equality, that's where the fairness ends. If you are an immigrant, you are given extra points just for being one. So two people, one immigrant and one native born, the immigrant already has a distinct advantage when being considered for housing. Also, the immigrant is considered 'at risk' whereas the native born isn't - that's even more points. If something becomes available, the immigrant will always win when everything else is the same. So yes, both assessed equally under the points system; but the immigrant gets more points without doing anything and that skews the 'equality' when it comes to housing allocation. And poor old native person remains homeless. And before some nay-sayers say it doesn't happen like that, it does!! Been there, and seen it happen in reality - native born are often fucked over when there are shortages of housing. It's not illegal to be homeless as the title suggests. However, places to survive at (by being made illegal to be there) are being pared into non-existence.

WhoreMods -> RE: Great Britain decides it's illegal to be homeless... (11/28/2016 7:39:41 AM)
There's one case in your second group where you can blame the landlords, in fact: when the economy went down the shitter in 2008, a lot of landlords defaulted on mortgages and either sold off, or had repossessed, properties they were renting. I'd imagine it's quite galling to be evicted from a tenancy you've kept up with the rent on for years because the landlord's reach exceeded his grasp.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Great Britain decides it's illegal to be homeless... (11/28/2016 7:51:40 AM)
I don't agree. Many landlords sold up because the property market crashed and they didn't want to lose out so they cashed in where they could. Many defaulted on mortgages but most were not landlords; they were private individuals. And because of that, rental prices went through the roof because of high demand. A lot of rents doubled and more for the same properties. Landlords didn't lose much and they gained a fortune by pushing rents up. Until recently (with the benefits caps), the benefits system always paid the landlords. Now the shortfall is for the tenant to pay and I can foresee many failures.

WhoreMods -> RE: Great Britain decides it's illegal to be homeless... (11/28/2016 8:05:31 AM)
Many landlords were putting their income into acquiring new properties to increase the number of tenants they could collect rent from. This was a very beneficial arrangement for them, while the bubble economy was still inflated, but it evicted a lot of tenants when it became unsustainable. It'd be nice to think that it was only private individuals couldn't keep up with the mortgage payments on their own properties, but landlords had the same problem at the same time.

LadyDemura -> RE: Great Britain decides it's illegal to be homeless... (11/28/2016 8:52:45 PM)
Are they going to allow favelas, or something similar then? Modern building codes have really forced many out of any sort of housing. People used to live in huts and one room shacks. These pretty much no longer exist in Western society, but many people can't afford even a studio apartment. One room shack living is quite a bit better than being homeless...

Greta75 -> RE: Great Britain decides it's illegal to be homeless... (11/28/2016 9:27:27 PM)
FR I remember when I was in London, there were really alot of people sleeping on the streets, but they also usually look like they haven't bathe for days or weeks, and they were caucasians. Not coloured people. That was ages ago! Maybe now, it's more coloured people, due to influx of refugees, I don't know. But I always assume, IF someone had a home to go wash up in, they wouldn't be so dirty. In my country, we have some families who live in tents by the beach which is illegal. They were given homes for free, but the problem is, as I said, these homes are shared. So two needy families under one roof. What happens is, they can't get along. So then they rather live in tents by the beach again. Where there is toilet facilities, BBQ pits for cooking. And sea view! It's a difficult situation. But there are always a random old people sometimes sleeping below my apartment blocks, and they are well groom, and very clean, wear freshly pressed clothes, you can see some are well ironed, and I know they got homes, but they just want to sleep outdoors, as maybe either home inside too stuffy and hot as they have no A/C, or just didn't get along with a family member and wanted to sleep away from them to get peace.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Great Britain decides it's illegal to be homeless... (11/28/2016 9:43:35 PM)
I can't see that happening here. Local councils already clear out 'cardboard cities' whenever they appear so the likes of favelas sprouting up any time soon or for any length of time isn't likely. Hostels are almost always full so there's often nowhere to go except to invade empty properties and abandoned buildings wherever they can find them. As I said in post#12, places to survive are being pared into non-existence so there's even less 'legal' places to find. When I was homeless for nearly 3 months, I was living in my car and was constantly woken by police and moved on even though I was legally parked. Being homeless with no money, no job, no reliable friends, no food and constantly cold is no fun at all - been there, done that, got the T-shirt. It's demoralising and downright fucking awful and not something I would want to repeat. I was fortunate in having a car so at least I was dry; but the humiliation of begging for 50p to get something from the 'soup kitchens' (not always free) is something I'll always remember. I was also very fortunate in having a couple of people I knew where I could call in and get a wash/shower and a cuppa a couple of times a week. I couldn't imagine not being able to keep relatively clean and sleeping outside in the cold wet and windy nights. shudders I was lucky compared to some others. [ETA: most of my food came from raiding the daily chuck-outs and rejects in the bins at the back of supermarkets and food outlets] So no, favelas or anything similar isn't going to be tolerated here. They'd sooner you were a homeless statistic than allow that sort of thing.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Great Britain decides it's illegal to be homeless... (11/28/2016 10:01:51 PM)
Although landlords had to contend with the same thing as individuals, many had other properties and other income. They weren't as hard hit as individuals were. And yes, they evicted a lot of tenants. Not because they had to sell the property (it did happen, but very rarely), but because they only had short-term agreements and they knew they could always demand a higher rent from new tenants. It's only recently that legislation has capped benefits. Up until then, it was guaranteed money in the bank and many private landlords did fuck-all in terms of maintenance to maximise their income. Many tenants on benefits or low incomes who were already struggling are now faced with crippling rent increases. I'm sorry, for every poor widdle hard-done-by landlord, there's probably tens of thousands of fucked-over tenants. It's about time those money-for-old-rope scumbags got their rental incomes capped and poorly maintained properties should be reposessed by legal force. With all the housing turmoil going on and people being evicted, I've yet to see a landlord that is hard done by. Pretty much all of them are raking it in and rubbing their hands all the way to the bank.

WhoreMods -> RE: Great Britain decides it's illegal to be homeless... (11/29/2016 5:20:19 AM)
I was working in Children's and Young People's Services when the economy crashed, sunshine: I recall a bunch of new files being opened because families had been evicted from properties that had been repossessed from their landlords. Believe what you want, but you're wrong about this one. (Just as you're wrong in saying that I'm sympathetic to some twat who's defaulted on their mortgages because they were more interested in acquiring more properties they could stuff full of benefits claimants the council pays for than making sure they can continue to keep up the mortgages on the properties they're already renting out to tenants.)

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