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Aylee -> The Understudied Female Sexual Predator (11/29/2016 8:04:04 AM)


If rape is something that people do, rather than something that men do, whole ideologies are in danger of collapse.



http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/11/the-understudied-female-sexual-predator/503492/


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The Understudied Female Sexual Predator: According to new research, sexual victimization by women is more common than gender stereotypes would suggest.

Today, the fruits of that research were published in another peer-reviewed paper, “Sexual Victimization Perpetrated by Women: Federal Data Reveal Surprising Prevalence.” Co-authored with Andrew Flores and Ilan Meyer, it appears in Aggression and Violent Behavior. Once again, federal survey data challenged conventional wisdom.
“These surveys have reached many tens of thousands of people, and each has shown internally consistent results over time,” the authors note. “We therefore believe that this article provides more definitive estimates about the prevalence of female sexual perpetration than has been provided in the literature to date. Taken as a whole, the reports we examine document surprisingly significant prevalence of female-perpetrated sexual victimization, mostly against men and occasionally against women.”
Those conclusions are grounded in striking numbers. . . .
The authors also note a 2011 survey of 302 male college students. It found that 51.2 percent reported “at least one sexual victimization experience since age 16.”
About half of the victims reported a female perpetrator.
As well, “a 2014 study of 284 men and boys in college and high school found that 43 percent reported being sexually coerced, with the majority of coercive incidents resulting in unwanted sexual intercourse. Of them, 95 percent reported only female perpetrators. The authors defined sexual coercion broadly, including verbal pressure such as nagging and begging, which, the authors acknowledge, increases prevalence dramatically.”
And “a 2012 study using data from the U. S. Census Bureau’s nationally representative National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions found in a sample of 43,000 adults little difference in the sex of self-reported sexual perpetrators. Of those who affirmed that they had ‘ever forced someone to have sex with you against their will,’ 43.6 percent were female and 56.4 percent were male.”
Finally, there is reason to fear that abuse by female perpetrators is under-reported.




Lucylastic -> RE: The Understudied Female Sexual Predator (11/29/2016 8:17:36 AM)

People have been ignoring emotional and mental abuse for years on both sides.
Blame gets passed...fights, emotional outbursts come from both. sexes, LOL including nagging, and pressuring, and manipulation.or as they said
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sexual coercion broadly, including verbal pressure such as nagging and begging, which, the authors acknowledge, increases prevalence dramatically.”

Under-reported from all ages, all sexes and colours.








sloguy02246 -> RE: The Understudied Female Sexual Predator (11/29/2016 10:16:01 AM)

"The authors defined sexual coercion broadly, including verbal pressure such as nagging and begging, which, the authors acknowledge, increases prevalence dramatically.


These men were nagged and begged to have sexual intercourse?
Well then, of course.
Once they were subjected to a female's "nagging and begging," they absolutely had no choice other than to give in to these terrible predators' pleas to have sexual intercourse.

Whatever is a man to do?




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: The Understudied Female Sexual Predator (11/29/2016 10:42:55 AM)

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If rape is something that people do, rather than something that men do, whole ideologies are in danger of collapse.

No, sorry, but that is just wrong and only demonstrates how very narrow and rigid your own ideology is.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: The Understudied Female Sexual Predator (11/29/2016 10:46:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sloguy02246

"The authors defined sexual coercion broadly, including verbal pressure such as nagging and begging, which, the authors acknowledge, increases prevalence dramatically.


These men were nagged and begged to have sexual intercourse?
Well then, of course.
Once they were subjected to a female's "nagging and begging," they absolutely had no choice other than to give in to these terrible predators' pleas to have sexual intercourse.

Whatever is a man to do?

Actually, that attitude right there is part of the problem, you are just dismissing the experiences of some of the study's subjects by implying that no "real" man would have an issue with it. You are playing into the stereotype yourself.




DaddySatyr -> RE: The Understudied Female Sexual Predator (11/29/2016 11:00:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sloguy02246

"The authors defined sexual coercion broadly, including verbal pressure such as nagging and begging, which, the authors acknowledge, increases prevalence dramatically.

These men were nagged and begged to have sexual intercourse?
Well then, of course.
Once they were subjected to a female's "nagging and begging," they absolutely had no choice other than to give in to these terrible predators' pleas to have sexual intercourse.

Whatever is a man to do?



One of the earliest instances of "date rape" that I remember hearing about was of a young lady, telling her story on the Oprah Winfrey Show. This had to be 1988 or the earliest '90s.

She was at a frat party and she wanted to leave. Her date wanted to have sex. He convinced her to stay for a little bit and continued to "beg, nag, and cajole" for sex. She kept saying "No".

She wanted to leave and he persuaded her to stay, again.

Long story short: by her own admission, he "convinced" (mark the word) her to have sex. The next morning, she felt "used" and was convinced, by a counselor to go and file charges.

Essentially, she was "begged and nagged" into having sex, woke up with "fucker's remorse" and he went to jail.

Good for the goose ...

I'm pissed that it's taken 20+ for people to start treating men equally in this kind of situation.



Michael




Wayward5oul -> RE: The Understudied Female Sexual Predator (11/29/2016 12:46:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick


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ORIGINAL: sloguy02246

"The authors defined sexual coercion broadly, including verbal pressure such as nagging and begging, which, the authors acknowledge, increases prevalence dramatically.


These men were nagged and begged to have sexual intercourse?
Well then, of course.
Once they were subjected to a female's "nagging and begging," they absolutely had no choice other than to give in to these terrible predators' pleas to have sexual intercourse.

Whatever is a man to do?

Actually, that attitude right there is part of the problem, you are just dismissing the experiences of some of the study's subjects by implying that no "real" man would have an issue with it. You are playing into the stereotype yourself.

exactly




PeonForHer -> RE: The Understudied Female Sexual Predator (11/29/2016 1:43:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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If rape is something that people do, rather than something that men do, whole ideologies are in danger of collapse.

No, sorry, but that is just wrong and only demonstrates how very narrow and rigid your own ideology is.


Well, the notion that women are always and invariably nurturing and caring things comes under question.




LadyPact -> RE: The Understudied Female Sexual Predator (11/29/2016 2:40:37 PM)

This is one of those times that I truly regret not having more time to put into a post. Due to this, I might phrase some things poorly, and I hope people will understand that.

I get that this is the Politics and Religion section. I really do. At the same time, this is a kink site and we've got people that run the scale of anywhere from only kink at home through participation out there in the kink community. For those of us who do attend munches, events, etc, there is no shock about these findings. Particularly true for any kind of 'casual play' type atmosphere. Sorry/not sorry, but we really do seem to have a higher rate of sexual assaults and certain other crimes than we really should and if "no" and "leave me alone" make something criminal in the vanilla world, that should apply in the kink world, too. There are definitely male victims of sexual assault out there where a woman is the perpetrator.

On some past threads, I have talked about times that I've sat down with event organizers where I've had to say, "If it were a man that would have committed the same violation, you would have banned them. Because it's a woman who did it, you're letting it slide." (We won't even get into how the same applies when it's the s-type and/or bottom that pulls the same stunt.) I'm not the only person who has stories like that to tell.

I have serious doubts that, if we told a woman, because she got wet when being assaulted, meaning her body reacted because that's what the body does in response to physical stimuli, that it wasn't really assault. The same really does apply just because somebody gets an erection. If we are going to treat people equally, we have to have an even playing field. The classification of "made to penetrate" might help us do that.

Granted, I do see the difficulties that people will face when it comes to actual criminal prosecution. We already know what those challenges are when it comes to female victims, and it's certainly not going to be a cake walk for men. Evidence vs he said/she said alone is going to be just as bad as it seems to be now. Some areas, I wish I had answers for but I don't.









ThatDizzyChick -> RE: The Understudied Female Sexual Predator (11/29/2016 9:00:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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If rape is something that people do, rather than something that men do, whole ideologies are in danger of collapse.

No, sorry, but that is just wrong and only demonstrates how very narrow and rigid your own ideology is.


Well, the notion that women are always and invariably nurturing and caring things comes under question.

Sorry, but I know of no ideology that holds that view, perhaps you could enlighten me?




Greta75 -> RE: The Understudied Female Sexual Predator (11/29/2016 10:16:11 PM)

FR

Wow!!

You can nag a man into having sex with you against his will?

I feel like the complication is, that, he needs to get hard. Nagging usually makes him go soft.

I can accept that a tiny percentage of men gets hard from nagging against his will and might end up having sex against his will, because like, he doesn't want the sex, but the nagging turn him on, and it happened.

But..., end of the day.

Fuck, if a man nagged me into having sex, I would never see it as rape. That would take me not physically fighting him off me , and just letting him fuck me cuz he nagged so much and I just want him to STFU.




thompsonx -> RE: The Understudied Female Sexual Predator (11/30/2016 4:36:16 AM)

Fr:
Isn't begging for sex an aspect of what it is that we do?
[8|]




PeonForHer -> RE: The Understudied Female Sexual Predator (11/30/2016 12:46:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

quote:

If rape is something that people do, rather than something that men do, whole ideologies are in danger of collapse.

No, sorry, but that is just wrong and only demonstrates how very narrow and rigid your own ideology is.


Well, the notion that women are always and invariably nurturing and caring things comes under question.

Sorry, but I know of no ideology that holds that view, perhaps you could enlighten me?


Any number of religious outlooks, and right wing views, from 'conservative feminism' (especially from the essentialist base), with the pinnacle/nadir being Nazism ('The mission of women is to be beautiful and to bring children into the world'). But you probably knew this. Were you objecting to my use of 'always' or 'ideology', perhaps?




WickedsDesire -> RE: The Understudied Female Sexual Predator (11/30/2016 1:13:20 PM)

50/50 you purloined an echo from this thread http://www.collarchat.com/m_4975152/tm.htm




Termyn8or -> RE: The Understudied Female Sexual Predator (11/30/2016 2:21:58 PM)

FR

What, is she ugly or something ? If he is married and wants to be faithful he should not be whoring around.

Sorry to be one sided about this but really I do believe this is a rare thing.

The problem is probably a Woman's fixation on one guy. Unless they are gross, they can go to almost any bar and get laid that night. a fixation on one guy is more like stalking, and they do that, but guys are usually stronger and take it better and some consider it flattering.

This issue is never, ever going to be considered equally between the sexes. It is damnear impossible.

T^T




Real0ne -> RE: The Understudied Female Sexual Predator (11/30/2016 2:36:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee


If rape is something that people do, rather than something that men do, whole ideologies are in danger of collapse.



http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/11/the-understudied-female-sexual-predator/503492/


quote:

The Understudied Female Sexual Predator: According to new research, sexual victimization by women is more common than gender stereotypes would suggest.

Today, the fruits of that research were published in another peer-reviewed paper, “Sexual Victimization Perpetrated by Women: Federal Data Reveal Surprising Prevalence.” Co-authored with Andrew Flores and Ilan Meyer, it appears in Aggression and Violent Behavior. Once again, federal survey data challenged conventional wisdom.
“These surveys have reached many tens of thousands of people, and each has shown internally consistent results over time,” the authors note. “We therefore believe that this article provides more definitive estimates about the prevalence of female sexual perpetration than has been provided in the literature to date. Taken as a whole, the reports we examine document surprisingly significant prevalence of female-perpetrated sexual victimization, mostly against men and occasionally against women.”
Those conclusions are grounded in striking numbers. . . .
The authors also note a 2011 survey of 302 male college students. It found that 51.2 percent reported “at least one sexual victimization experience since age 16.”
About half of the victims reported a female perpetrator.
As well, “a 2014 study of 284 men and boys in college and high school found that 43 percent reported being sexually coerced, with the majority of coercive incidents resulting in unwanted sexual intercourse. Of them, 95 percent reported only female perpetrators. The authors defined sexual coercion broadly, including verbal pressure such as nagging and begging, which, the authors acknowledge, increases prevalence dramatically.”
And “a 2012 study using data from the U. S. Census Bureau’s nationally representative National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions found in a sample of 43,000 adults little difference in the sex of self-reported sexual perpetrators. Of those who affirmed that they had ‘ever forced someone to have sex with you against their will,’ 43.6 percent were female and 56.4 percent were male.”
Finally, there is reason to fear that abuse by female perpetrators is under-reported.




just send these errant women my way for rehabilitation!







ThatDizzyChick -> RE: The Understudied Female Sexual Predator (11/30/2016 2:42:34 PM)

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Were you objecting to my use of 'always' or 'ideology', perhaps?

Actually it was the "always" and "invariably".




PeonForHer -> RE: The Understudied Female Sexual Predator (11/30/2016 2:52:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

quote:

Were you objecting to my use of 'always' or 'ideology', perhaps?

Actually it was the "always" and "invariably".



Yep. Exaggerations.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: The Understudied Female Sexual Predator (11/30/2016 9:01:41 PM)

Fair enough. One never really knows on here. [:)]




LadyPact -> RE: The Understudied Female Sexual Predator (12/1/2016 9:51:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
FR

What, is she ugly or something ? If he is married and wants to be faithful he should not be whoring around.

Sorry to be one sided about this but really I do believe this is a rare thing.

The problem is probably a Woman's fixation on one guy. Unless they are gross, they can go to almost any bar and get laid that night. a fixation on one guy is more like stalking, and they do that, but guys are usually stronger and take it better and some consider it flattering.

This issue is never, ever going to be considered equally between the sexes. It is damnear impossible.

T^T

Bold emphasis mine.

Term, I don't know who you've been talking to, but I have not come across anybody, male or female, who had a serious issue because of somebody stalking them that considered it "flattering". Then again, you are probably looking at it in a different way and receiving much different input than I do.

For a good three years there, starting in 2013, I literally got hundreds of emails a year from people in the kink community about the stalking issue. Part of this was because my case wasn't quiet, I had plenty of records backing up what was going on, and there was plenty of third party verification. I've written a lot of posts here and on the other site about it, and when you do that, people who have had the same experience tend to share their experience with you.

I have this on other threads, but what always amazed me about this was how many men told me their stories about being stalked. What I got in private conversations was never reflective of what we saw on threads discussing stalking or even what the 'statistics' report it to be. It was much higher. Roughly a third of the people who contacted me with their own stalking stories to tell were men. A good portion of them were Dominant, switch, and/or top men.

My personal theory on this, why those folks will tell me about this, rather than speak publicly or go to authorities, is because I'm safe and you're not. I 'get it' in ways that you never will. The threat of physical harm aside, there's a heck of a lot more that goes into the issue. The having to deal with the explanations to family and friends. The potential outing for kink folks, the constant worry of where your stalker will show up trying to 'find' you, the way other people will treat you, etc, etc, etc.

Plus, you have to add in things for males that, for the most part, I never faced. I did a bit because I happen to be a Dominant and my stalker was a so-called submissive. I didn't get the full backlash, though. I never dealt with "she's just a woman and you're a man," (though some people did that about D/s roles) or "they can't hurt you because you are bigger and stronger" kind of thing. People didn't laugh at me because my stalker was "just a little woman" or any of that stuff. This is an added layer that men have to deal with when they have a similar experience. There's a heck of a lot of shame for men when they 'let' a woman stalk them.

I'm sure there are some folks wondering at this point, how this relates to the subject? In my opinion, these two subjects (stalking and sexual assault) while different in severity, aren't all that far apart in premise. We treat men and women differently and the male victims KNOW it. Those fears about how you'll be treated, by people who know you, by the authorities, by people who don't have a clue... Those who think it's "flattering" or wish it would happen to them? All of that stuff makes it harder on the victim.




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