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The FBI Is About To Get The Power To Hack Millions Of C... - 12/1/2016 9:26:23 AM   
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The FBI Is About To Get The Power To Hack Millions Of Computers

WASHINGTON — Congress had six months to debate granting President-elect Donald Trump’s FBI new legal powers to hack millions of computers, and Republican leaders objected to doing so on Wednesday.

That means that starting Thursday, a Department of Justice official will be able to go to a single judge, assert that a computer crime may involve millions of networked devices, and get a warrant that lets the FBI hack all of those devices.

According to three senators who tried to put the brakes on that new authority Wednesday so Congress could at least discuss it, there are no concrete assurances from law enforcement officials that privacy won’t be violated or that devices won’t be damaged. Nor was there any explanation of how authorities will hack Americans’ wired equipment.

“At midnight tonight, this Senate will make one of the biggest mistakes in surveillance policy in years and years,” said Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), who tried with Sens. Chris Coons (D-Del.) and Steve Daines (R-Mont.) to offer three measures to delay or rein in the new FBI powers. “Without a single congressional hearing, without a shred of meaningful public input, without any opportunity for senators to ask their questions in a public forum, one judge with one warrant would be able to authorize the hacking of thousands, possibly
millions of devices, cell phones and tablets.”

In fact, very few Americans have any idea that the scope of online search warrants is about to get much broader. The push for the expansion stems from a case in Texas in which investigators were denied a warrant because they could not show that the computer they wanted to hack was in the federal district where the warrant was sought.

That prompted a long review by court officials of what’s known as Rule 41, a part of federal criminal procedure that defines search and seizure rules. They ultimately sent a proposal to the Supreme Court to expand the scope of the surveillance powers. The high court approved the expansion, and by law, Congress had six months to review and approve the change. The six months expire Dec. 1.

When Wyden and the two other senators asked for unanimous consent to bring up various measures to modify the new rules or just delay them for six more months, Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) objected.

He said the changes were common-sense steps designed to allow law enforcement officials the ability to pursue new threats in the rapidly changing online world.

“There is a challenge when cybercriminals use the internet and social media to prey on innocent children, to traffic in human beings, to buy and sell drugs,” Cornyn said. “There has to be a way for law enforcement, for the federal government, to get a search warrant approved by a judge based on a showing of probable cause to be able to get that evidence so that the law can be enforced and these cybercriminals can be prosecuted.”

Wyden and the others do not dispute that criminals exploit all sorts of online devices ― from cameras to computers and connected appliances ― to commit crimes in ever-evolving ways.

But Wyden argued that the new powers are far too vague, and there are inadequate protections for innocent Americans whose property could be hacked legally by the feds if officials assert it is “damaged” by malware of some sort that may have been used in a crime.

He raised the specter of a mass FBI hack going wrong, and perhaps further damaging victims of a criminal hack, or even knocking vital systems offline, such as hospital computer networks.

“Legislators and the public know next to nothing about how the government
conducts the searches,” Wyden said. “The government itself is planning to use software that has not been properly vetted by outside security experts.”

The Oregon senator and a couple of dozen others have written to the Department of Justice about those and other concerns, but did not find the answers persuasive. (Read the exchanges here.)

Wyden predicted that when something inevitably goes wrong, the anger will be aimed a lawmakers who couldn’t be bothered to add checks on the new powers.

“I think when Americans find out that the Congress allowed the Justice Department to just wave its arms in the air and grant itself new powers under the Fourth Amendment without the Senate even being part of a single hearing, I think law-abiding Americans are going to ask, ‘So what were you people in the Senate thinking?’” Wyden said. “What were you thinking about when the FBI starts hacking the victims of a hack, or when a mass hack goes awry and breaks their device, or an entire hospital system in effect has great damage done?”

Congress could still write legislation to address the new surveillance and hacking powers. But starting in January, the GOP-led Congress would in effect be challenging its own party’s president.

And Wyden argued that Trump does not have a strong record advocating for citizens’ protection from government intrusion.

“I was concerned about this before the election, but we know now that the
administration ― it’s a new administration that will be led by the individual who said he wanted the power to hack his political opponents the same way Russia does,” Wyden said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fbi-hacking-congress_us_583f03dae4b04fcaa4d619fc

Info from the EFF about the specifics(for those who dont want to go to a left leaning site.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/04/rule-41-little-known-committee-proposes-grant-new-hacking-powers-government

http://fortune.com/2016/11/30/rule-41/
http://www.ibtimes.com/fbi-nsa-rule-41-changes-federal-rules-expand-governments-hacking-capabilities-2453034
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cyber-congress-idUSKBN13P2ER


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RE: The FBI Is About To Get The Power To Hack Millions ... - 12/1/2016 9:31:02 AM   
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Wasn't it supposed to be Clinton who was into an authoritarian nanny state snooping on people, rather than the orange shitgibbon?

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RE: The FBI Is About To Get The Power To Hack Millions ... - 12/1/2016 9:52:38 AM   
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I'm confused. Who signed this bill into law? Was it the republicans? Oh, no! Dumbo ears is a dumbocrat.

Is there a chance that it could get contested in January? The article seems to say so. How would this put the republican congress at odds with a republican administration? Has Trump been infiltrating the white house and signing shit while dumbo ears isn't looking?



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RE: The FBI Is About To Get The Power To Hack Millions ... - 12/1/2016 10:13:02 AM   
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Rule 41
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/08/illegal-playpen-story-rule-41-and-global-hacking-warrants

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The Supreme Court passed the proposed change to Rule 41 and sent it to Congress on Thursday, which will have until December 1 to modify, reject, or defer the proposal. If the House of Representatives and Senate do not pass a resolution in favor by simple majority, the revisions will become law that same day.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/04/rule-41-would-make-it-easier-for-the-government-to-carry-out-hacks/


https://www.wired.com/2016/09/government-will-soon-able-legally-hack-anyone/


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RE: The FBI Is About To Get The Power To Hack Millions ... - 12/1/2016 11:31:33 AM   
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Now Trump will have to skip his usual two hours of sleep per night so he can respond to millions of hateful comments that he won't be able to let go.

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RE: The FBI Is About To Get The Power To Hack Millions ... - 12/1/2016 11:43:03 AM   
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I'm thinking of setting up a Twitter account called "Surreal Donald Trump". I just need to photoshop the cuntbubble's mop onto Salvador Dali's mustache and I'm good to go with that one.

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RE: The FBI Is About To Get The Power To Hack Millions ... - 12/1/2016 11:46:34 AM   
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until you do that, here is a couple of pics you might like...http://www.boredpanda.com/unflattering-donald-trump-chin-photo-ps-battle/?afterlogin=savecommentvote&comment=874070&score=1

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RE: The FBI Is About To Get The Power To Hack Millions ... - 12/1/2016 11:51:34 AM   
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I like the Oompa Loompa one...

(This might be of interest as well, if you're a dog lover.)

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RE: The FBI Is About To Get The Power To Hack Millions ... - 12/1/2016 2:15:27 PM   
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We just have to face reality...we have no right to privacy on our computers and internet... even if there were a strong law we still would have no privacy on either. Just don't say or do anything that you would not say or do in the public and you will be fine. There is just no way to guarantee privacy on a public media and devices that access it.

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RE: The FBI Is About To Get The Power To Hack Millions ... - 12/1/2016 7:01:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


I'm confused. Who signed this bill into law? Was it the republicans? Oh, no! Dumbo ears is a dumbocrat.

Is there a chance that it could get contested in January? The article seems to say so. How would this put the republican congress at odds with a republican administration? Has Trump been infiltrating the white house and signing shit while dumbo ears isn't looking?



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He hasn't even started yet and people are already blaming him for anything bad that happens

President-elect Donald Trump’s FBI

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RE: The FBI Is About To Get The Power To Hack Millions ... - 12/1/2016 7:05:22 PM   
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quote:

Who signed this bill into law?

Nobody, it isn't a bill or a law, it is a procedural change. And that is why it is scary.

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RE: The FBI Is About To Get The Power To Hack Millions ... - 12/2/2016 12:58:50 AM   
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I am sick to death of the government treating our rights like a doormat.

That said, this kind of thing has been going on for almost 20 years. I don't know if there's any information out there, but I did several articles on something called: "Carnivore", years ago (interestingly, this was pre-9/11 Attacks).

A search might turn up something, but I doubt it.



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RE: The FBI Is About To Get The Power To Hack Millions ... - 12/2/2016 1:46:38 AM   
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all your questions and concerns are answered right here grhasshoppa

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RE: The FBI Is About To Get The Power To Hack Millions ... - 12/2/2016 1:48:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

We just have to face reality...we have no right to privacy on our computers and internet... even if there were a strong law we still would have no privacy on either. Just don't say or do anything that you would not say or do in the public and you will be fine. There is just no way to guarantee privacy on a public media and devices that access it.

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bullshit, we have the right, just no gubmint to enforce it.

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RE: The FBI Is About To Get The Power To Hack Millions ... - 12/2/2016 2:31:27 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub
We just have to face reality...we have no right to privacy on our computers and internet... even if there were a strong law we still would have no privacy on either. Just don't say or do anything that you would not say or do in the public and you will be fine. There is just no way to guarantee privacy on a public media and devices that access it.
Butch


I always have to chuckle when people say they want privacy on the Internet. I get that it's important to keep your banking details secure and such but the Internet is primarily a social tool that brings people together, not something you use when you want to keep things to yourself.

Even your (undeletable) posting history on this forum is probably enough for someone to do up a psychological profile that could tell them quite a bit about you... and a really powerful computer could probably do that in a matter of moments.

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RE: The FBI Is About To Get The Power To Hack Millions ... - 12/2/2016 3:14:36 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi
He hasn't even started yet and people are already blaming him for anything bad that happens
President-elect Donald Trump’s FBI
LMFAO


I think that's probably just the writer reminding people that a fucking fascist assclown is going to be the one lording over this insanity... it's scarier that way.

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RE: The FBI Is About To Get The Power To Hack Millions ... - 12/2/2016 3:16:10 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub
We just have to face reality...we have no right to privacy on our computers and internet... even if there were a strong law we still would have no privacy on either. Just don't say or do anything that you would not say or do in the public and you will be fine. There is just no way to guarantee privacy on a public media and devices that access it.
Butch


I always have to chuckle when people say they want privacy on the Internet. I get that it's important to keep your banking details secure and such but the Internet is primarily a social tool that brings people together, not something you use when you want to keep things to yourself.

Even your (undeletable) posting history on this forum is probably enough for someone to do up a psychological profile that could tell them quite a bit about you... and a really powerful computer could probably do that in a matter of moments.


First off Butch said privacy on 'computers', you changed it to privacy on the 'net', 2 entirely different things.

The internet is NOT a social tool, it is a communications utility' nothing more. You may use it for social networking and that which you post to the public is public. Emails on the other hand are absolutely not public, any more than a telephone conversation is public.
The ability for the gubmint or someone to tap in and 'trespass' on that privacy does not make it any more legal.
The contents of emails like telephone conversation are part of your private property.
Anything posted on this forum or in your profiles is accessible by the public, emails exchanged are not.


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RE: The FBI Is About To Get The Power To Hack Millions ... - 12/2/2016 3:16:51 AM   
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Lucy this post is ludicrous, any hacker with simple equipment can hack what they like.
I think USA should be more concerned about what Trump will do.

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RE: The FBI Is About To Get The Power To Hack Millions ... - 12/2/2016 3:28:57 AM   
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more concerned than assaults being waged upon our rights by the very people entrusted to protect them?
you from jolly ole england are ya?





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RE: The FBI Is About To Get The Power To Hack Millions ... - 12/2/2016 3:38:19 AM   
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quote:

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First off Butch said privacy on 'computers', you changed it to privacy on the 'net', 2 entirely different things.

The internet is NOT a social tool, it is a communications utility' nothing more. You may use it for social networking and that which you post to the public is public. Emails on the other hand are absolutely not public, any more than a telephone conversation is public.
The ability for the gubmint or someone to tap in and 'trespass' on that privacy does not make it any more legal.
The contents of emails like telephone conversation are part of your private property.
Anything posted on this forum or in your profiles is accessible by the public, emails exchanged are not.


He said computers and internet. I didn't change anything... I just chose to talk about the Internet.

If you want privacy on your computer, don't attach it to the Internet.
If you want to have a private conversation, don't have it over the phone.
If you want to send someone written as opposed to spoken words, try sending a letter.

It is actually currently legal for the government to read emails older than 180 days because the law regarding old emails hasn't been updated since 1986.

https://www.fastcompany.com/3042406/fast-feed/the-federal-government-can-legally-read-your-emails-after-180-days

But even if they changed the law, do you seriously trust them not to find loopholes or covertly bend it somehow??

The best way to deal with this isn't to fight them, it's to adopt a certain protocol when communicating via the web, to not give a fuck, and/or to use alternative forms of communication for things that are personal. Honestly, I can't imagine anyone giving a fuck about what I say in my emails because I tend not to talk about or do things that are illegal or arouse suspicion.

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