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RE: DAPL will not go thru, for now. - 12/8/2016 8:50:41 PM   
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You are just making shit up.

bout the only thing he is good at.

Just barely, Lucy. I wouldn't give him a passing grade.

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RE: DAPL will not go thru, for now. - 12/8/2016 8:59:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		The paid agitators have raised millions of dollars one way and another to pay themselves.

A simple google search - dakota pipeline protester funding - showed 888,000 hits.

The agents provocateur are mercenaries.

Full stop. Period. The end.

No ifs, ands, buts or maybes.

I accept your apology.



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RE: DAPL will not go thru, for now. - 12/8/2016 9:02:05 PM   
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RE: DAPL will not go thru, for now. - 12/8/2016 9:44:40 PM   
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The paid agitators have raised millions of dollars one way and another to pay themselves.

A simple google search - dakota pipeline protester funding - showed 888,000 hits.

The agents provocateur are mercenaries.

Full stop. Period. The end.

No ifs, ands, buts or maybes.

I accept your apology.



The fund is among several cash streams that have provided at least $3 million US to help with legal costs, food and other supplies to those opposing the nearly 1,900 kilometre pipeline. It may also give protesters the ability to prolong their months-long encampments that have attracted thousands of supporters, as the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe pursues the fight in court.
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Get back to me when you have a link to support your fantasy that paid provocateurs are afoot in the area.

Until such time, Sir Cur, you are awarded the status of Royal Idiot & Liar.

Carry on or sod off.

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RE: DAPL will not go thru, for now. - 12/8/2016 10:09:06 PM   
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RE: DAPL will not go thru, for now. - 12/9/2016 8:31:07 AM   
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Hell, send them billions! Aren't the militarized police well funded too?

Too bad they didn't bring guns -- then conservatives would love them!

If they called themselves a militia, conservatives might even join. As long as they had cool camo and training missions.

The Trumptoons have spoken. It's the age of the billionaires.

Money is the rule of law.

So what's the problem? Dollar democracy at work.




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RE: DAPL will not go thru, for now. - 12/13/2016 10:47:03 AM   
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/12/oil-spill-pipeline-north-dakota-standing-rock-belle-fourche

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RE: DAPL will not go thru, for now. - 12/13/2016 11:36:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		since you are incapable of actually articulating a point, im reluctant to make one for you but also since your unstated point is ineffectual, I wont mind too much.

accidents happen. there was supposed to be safeguards in place to detect the accident, and they failed.

here's the response to that---they will figure out how/why those safeguards failed, changes will occur and safety will improve.

meanwhile, maybe we should shut down all the pipelines in the country and you can start walking back and forth to work everyday?

oh and these, all from within the past handful of days (though a couple hearken back to recent history):

Kenya oil tanker crashes, explodes leaving at least 30 dead

Overturned tanker spills 500 gallons of oil on I-75

Slick Roads Blamed for Tanker Crash in Lackawanna County

Tanker, Trailer Crashes Across Nigeria Claim 1,048 Lives

Costs of Gorge oil train derailment adding up - KTVZ

Death toll in Bulgaria tanker train explosion rises to 8

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RE: DAPL will not go thru, for now. - 12/13/2016 11:44:37 AM   
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RULE 1: But simple shit, do not run pipes over or under water.

Other than that retard, you are walking everyday, since someone as fucking retarded as you are denied a drivers license.

Why would you shut down every pipeline in the country? No need to shit your pants, dogshit44. There is an easy remedy...SEE RULE 1.

go pound your pud and gobble your felch with your circlefelch, I have no desire to hang out with you and your boyfriends.



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RE: DAPL will not go thru, for now. - 12/13/2016 12:39:39 PM   
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Oil industry supporters argue that pipelines are safer alternative to hauling fuel by tanker trucks or freight trains. “Environmental analysis comparing pipelines to rail finds pipelines will result in fewer incidents, barrels released, personal injuries, and greenhouse gas emissions,” says John Stoody, a spokesperson for the Association of Oil Pipe Lines, in a statement to CityLab. He cites an environmental impact statement conducted by the U.S. State Department comparing the impact of rail delivery of crude oil to that of the proposed Keystone XL pipeline. Additionally, a 2013 study from the conservative Manhattan Institute found that road transportation had an annual accident rate of 19.95 incidents per billion ton miles and rail transportation had 2.08 incidents per billion ton miles, compared to 0.89 incidents per billion ton miles for natural gas transmission and 0.58 serious incidents per billion ton miles for hazardous liquid pipelines.

Environmentalists, however, point to a lack of adequate state and federal regulation and the difficulties of maintaining millions of miles of aging pipeline infrastructure in their warnings about the dangers of spills, fires, and other accidents. And data from the federal government suggests such concerns should be taken seriously. Over the last thirty years, just under 9,000 significant pipeline-related incidents have taken place nationwide, according to data from the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration. (Not counted in this total are thousands of less “significant" pipeline-related malfunctions.)



To better understand the extent of this damage, CityLab mapped out all significant pipeline accidents between 1986 and 2016, based on data compiled by Richard Stover, an environmental advocate and former research astronomer at the University of California, Santa Cruz. According to Stover, these accidents have resulted in 548 deaths, 2,576 injuries, and over $8.5 billion in financial damages.

In the map above, you can see the locations of all significant oil and gas pipeline incidents since 1986 in which the federal government provided location data. (Note: In incident cases without longitude and latitude information in the federal data, Stover geolocated incidents based on their county data. Also, he didn’t include data from Alaska or Hawaii.) The incidents are sized bigger and shaded darker as the financial damage associated with each incident increases. Zoom in on the map to get a more fine-grained view of the incident clustering and click on individuals dots to see specifics about related fatalities, injuries, and financial costs.

Stover points out the locations reflect the footprint of oil and gas pipeline distribution networks nationwide, suggesting that wherever pipelines are extended, deadly accidents will follow. Incidents are particularly common, for example, in Texas and Louisiana, where numerous lines carry oil and gas, extracted on- and off-shore, to serve the rest of the country.
http://www.citylab.com/weather/2016/11/30-years-of-pipeline-accidents-mapped/509066/

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RE: DAPL will not go thru, for now. - 12/13/2016 12:43:25 PM   
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2014/04/26/pick-your-poison-for-crude-pipeline-rail-truck-or-boat/#57fb925f5777

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RE: DAPL will not go thru, for now. - 12/13/2016 1:09:25 PM   
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man you guys are fucked.
He couldnt remember the name of it, but he knows he wants to destroy it and the regulations.
He also serves on the board of directors of Energy Transfer Partners, the company involved with the Dakota pipeline.

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RE: DAPL will not go thru, for now. - 12/13/2016 4:43:57 PM   
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Thank you, Johnny. I knew none of this. It is helpful and might even sway me.

Just trying to help. :)


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One addendum to this: if it's "shortest distance between two points" and the land belongs to the Souix, that is NOT (in my mind) a good enough reason to continue with it. Re-route it, I would say.

Personally, I would think the Souix being upset over a pipeline anywhere near their land could have been easily predictable by the planners. Seems like they could have considered that in the first place and we could have avoided this whole thing with an entirely different route to start. JMO

The route, or portions of it was changed about 40 times during the review process. (I'm trying to remember but this is an estimate) about 50 Native tribes showed up during the process and made contributions to the routing discussion. The Standing Rock tribe refused to attend, even when they were specifically asked to attend a couple of dozen times. The tribe did not contribute and then sued. It lost the suit. So it made a political spectacle instead. Which seems to have worked for now.

The pipeline route, in the location being protested is adjacent to, and only a few feet away, from an existing pipeline and it is under a power line tower route. Specifically, it is a well used infrastructure route that already exists.

As an aside, in pipeline cases such as this there are a lot of permissions needed before construction can begin. There is a standard method for those permissions to be gotten. Usually, and this case isn't usual, the process takes about three years. I'd have to look up how long this took. For instance, in a case like this, where a pipeline goes under a river, even the Coast Gaurd has to give permission since the river is considered a navigable water way. Generally, for instance, the Coast Gaurd will want the pipeline deep underground rather than hanging on a bridge since it has less chance of being run into and damaged by a ship. And, that, my friends is just thirty seconds of a three year process involved in the decision making. It's assumed that all interested parties come to the table and discuss their interests. The Standing Rock tribe did not, despite repeated requests and invitations. I'm not saying if I'm for it or agin it, just providing information.

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RE: DAPL will not go thru, for now. - 2/2/2017 12:00:16 PM   
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How are those snake tears for our big wet muddy rock coming along

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Cleanup begins at Dakota Access pipeline protest encampment

BISMARCK, N.D. (AP) — Cleanup of a North Dakota encampment where opponents of the Dakota Access oil pipeline stayed for months to protest the $3.8 billion project is expected to take weeks, a leader of the tribe that organized the protest said Tuesday.

The Standing Rock Sioux hopes to complete the work before any spring floodwaters from the Cannonball River can wash debris into the Missouri River — the very waterway pipeline opponents are working to protect. The camp has seen an exodus in recent weeks due to winter weather, pipeline work being stalled and the tribe's recent call for people to leave.

Protesters have left behind not just trash, but tents and even cars.

"There's more than anticipated, and it's under a lot of snow," Tribal Chairman Dave Archambault said. "I wouldn't say it's going to get done in days; it's going to take weeks."

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RE: DAPL will not go thru, for now. - 2/2/2017 12:04:21 PM   
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How are those snake tears for our big wet muddy rock coming along

How are yours? All you seem to do in here is feign upset at the stuff the nasty liberals are doing. You should be all cried out like a whiney country song by now.

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RE: DAPL will not go thru, for now. - 2/2/2017 12:09:01 PM   
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Thank you, Johnny. I knew none of this. It is helpful and might even sway me.

Just trying to help. :)


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One addendum to this: if it's "shortest distance between two points" and the land belongs to the Souix, that is NOT (in my mind) a good enough reason to continue with it. Re-route it, I would say.

Personally, I would think the Souix being upset over a pipeline anywhere near their land could have been easily predictable by the planners. Seems like they could have considered that in the first place and we could have avoided this whole thing with an entirely different route to start. JMO

The route, or portions of it was changed about 40 times during the review process. (I'm trying to remember but this is an estimate) about 50 Native tribes showed up during the process and made contributions to the routing discussion. The Standing Rock tribe refused to attend, even when they were specifically asked to attend a couple of dozen times. The tribe did not contribute and then sued. It lost the suit. So it made a political spectacle instead. Which seems to have worked for now.

The pipeline route, in the location being protested is adjacent to, and only a few feet away, from an existing pipeline and it is under a power line tower route. Specifically, it is a well used infrastructure route that already exists.

As an aside, in pipeline cases such as this there are a lot of permissions needed before construction can begin. There is a standard method for those permissions to be gotten. Usually, and this case isn't usual, the process takes about three years. I'd have to look up how long this took. For instance, in a case like this, where a pipeline goes under a river, even the Coast Gaurd has to give permission since the river is considered a navigable water way. Generally, for instance, the Coast Gaurd will want the pipeline deep underground rather than hanging on a bridge since it has less chance of being run into and damaged by a ship. And, that, my friends is just thirty seconds of a three year process involved in the decision making. It's assumed that all interested parties come to the table and discuss their interests. The Standing Rock tribe did not, despite repeated requests and invitations. I'm not saying if I'm for it or agin it, just providing information.

your cant is based on nutsucker slobbergbogging, The tribe was sent a letter and they forcefully responded. http://rabbitsliketrumpets.typepad.com/gov.uscourts.dcd.180660.6.0.pdf

Having made their treaty position clear https://www.sayanythingblog.com/entry/doesnt-matter-standing-rock-voiced-opposition-dapl-one-time-2014/

The government of the united states told the government of the Lakota, pretty much too fuckin bad, so why would they participate, when great white father says he is here to help.........

They tried and got the forked tongue, not the first time. So, what would you do but dig in wilbur?

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RE: DAPL will not go thru, for now. - 2/2/2017 1:14:57 PM   
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RE: DAPL will not go thru, for now. - 2/2/2017 4:45:07 PM   
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The paid agitators have raised millions of dollars one way and another to pay themselves.

A simple google search - dakota pipeline protester funding - showed 888,000 hits.

The agents provocateur are mercenaries.

Full stop. Period. The end.

No ifs, ands, buts or maybes.

I accept your apology.





There are no paid agitators, they did not raise millions of dollars.

Full Stop. no ifs, ands buts or maybes.

It dont matter what horseshit you read on goggle, I have people here on both sides of that fight, relatives, and people I have known my whole life, and other long term acquaintances. I own interest in an oil well out there,

If there are any paid agitators they come from the pipelne company only, and they are not efficient at their job.



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