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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul
You are contradicting yourself here Greta. In your first post you said to let others (not the law) punish them further. Here you say the law should make the harsher punishment. Which is it? Because the issue is about whether or not to let people take the law into their own hands.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul
You are contradicting yourself here Greta. In your first post you said to let others (not the law) punish them further. Here you say the law should make the harsher punishment. Which is it? Because the issue is about whether or not to let people take the law into their own hands.

Please quote where I stated let others?
I simply said a man who raped a 3 yr old should be punished by being anally raped. And then I mentioned since murdering is punished by death penalty. By comparing it to death penalty which is a LEGAL punishment is clearly signifying that I want it to be THE LAW.
I never said anything about allowing people to take the law into their own hands.

I said that I support men getting anally raped as a punishment for raping a 3 yr old.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul
You are contradicting yourself here Greta. In your first post you said to let others (not the law) punish them further. Here you say the law should make the harsher punishment. Which is it? Because the issue is about whether or not to let people take the law into their own hands.

Please quote where I stated let others?
I simply said a man who raped a 3 yr old should be punished by being anally raped. And then I mentioned since murdering is punished by death penalty. By comparing it to death penalty which is a LEGAL punishment is clearly signifying that I want it to be THE LAW.
I never said anything about allowing people to take the law into their own hands.

I said that I support men getting anally raped as a punishment for raping a 3 yr old.

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4977298

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4977298

Yup, I never said "let others".

I said I would like males to be raped in prison for raping a 3 yr old.

That's precisely what I said.

Where do you think caning and death penalty occurs? In prison! Those are legal punishments in my country.

It was accurate.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
People make it out to be a lifelong sentence or some shit and it is not true for Women and it is not true for Men.

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While I agree with you on this one Aylee, I have to admit that there is a part deep inside of me that can't help but say 'hell yeah' to this attitude. I would hope that if I were ever faced with the situation that I had to decide one way or the other, I would chooser the higher ground, but I can't honestly say that I don't understand the point of view.

Unfortunately, it is also the point of view that a lot of violent prisoners hold as well, supposedly. I haven't factchecked it for the stats, but the stereotype out there is that when those who offend against children, especially sexually offend against children, go to prison they are targeted by other prisoners.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
You are starting to sound like Sharia law there.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
To both of you.

I believe in the rule of law. I disagree with extra-judicial punishment. It is also unethical to take away a person's right to defend themselves and then not protect them. While some one is in prison/jail, no matter WHAT THE CHARGES, they are protected by the state. That protection includes protection from other prisoners.

That does not even begin to discuss what it does to those becoming the form of punishment.

It is distasteful and disgusting.

Yea, protect the attacker of a 3 yr old, rather than make the punishment so HARSH that would prevent assholes like this dude from ever assaulting another 3 yr old again! Taste of his own medicine! Should cure him of his sickness!
THE LAW should make it an official punishment like death Penalty is an official punishment!

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

All I know is that confirming a victim mentality is a bad thing. I got shot in the face, they did not invade one of my holes, they made their own. Now compare rape to that.

People make it out to be a lifelong sentence or some shit and it is not true for Women and it is not true for Men. Scarred for life my ass, Scarred for life is when you got an arm blown off or some shit. the kid showed me a picture he got off Facebook of the soldiers who won Iwogima that said courage and then had the Gay flag and it said real courage. Gays are a protected species in most countries meantime these soldier had people shooting at them and you got the fucking gall to say some shit like that ? That instead of being a soldier and risking your life is brave, fucking other guys in a country that has laws against you being discriminated against is more brave ? You are not looking for equal rights, you are looking for special rights. the kid's response got him banned for a week. I say just leave that cesspool if they think that shit. But I guess he gets bored.

I am sure rape hurts both physically and mentally, but there are worse things in life. Want your kneecap shot off ? How about an arm cut off ? How about being blinded so you cannot be a witness to something you saw ? How about having your face burned off ?

Rape is a very nasty thing perpetrated by animals (which the government wants to import) and should not be dismissed. It is not like having your purse or wallet stolen, it is alot more than that. But it still has to be put in perspective. there are alot worse things in the world that can happen to you and if you don't see that I hope you live in a very rich neighborhood. If I gave you a choice between my dick and a blowtorch and pair of pliers what would you take ?

T^T

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While I agree with you on this one Aylee, I have to admit that there is a part deep inside of me that can't help but say 'hell yeah' to this attitude. I would hope that if I were ever faced with the situation that I had to decide one way or the other, I would chooser the higher ground, but I can't honestly say that I don't understand the point of view.

Unfortunately, it is also the point of view that a lot of violent prisoners hold as well, supposedly. I haven't factchecked it for the stats, but the stereotype out there is that when those who offend against children, especially sexually offend against children, go to prison they are targeted by other prisoners.

My understanding is that they are targeted not just for sexual assault but for death and beatings and such. General population is not a happy place for them.

And I totally get the, "You deserve it and more," feelings.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

All I know is that confirming a victim mentality is a bad thing. I got shot in the face, they did not invade one of my holes, they made their own. Now compare rape to that.

People make it out to be a lifelong sentence or some shit and it is not true for Women and it is not true for Men. Scarred for life my ass, Scarred for life is when you got an arm blown off or some shit. the kid showed me a picture he got off Facebook of the soldiers who won Iwogima that said courage and then had the Gay flag and it said real courage. Gays are a protected species in most countries meantime these soldier had people shooting at them and you got the fucking gall to say some shit like that ? That instead of being a soldier and risking your life is brave, fucking other guys in a country that has laws against you being discriminated against is more brave ? You are not looking for equal rights, you are looking for special rights. the kid's response got him banned for a week. I say just leave that cesspool if they think that shit. But I guess he gets bored.

I am sure rape hurts both physically and mentally, but there are worse things in life. Want your kneecap shot off ? How about an arm cut off ? How about being blinded so you cannot be a witness to something you saw ? How about having your face burned off ?

Rape is a very nasty thing perpetrated by animals (which the government wants to import) and should not be dismissed. It is not like having your purse or wallet stolen, it is alot more than that. But it still has to be put in perspective. there are alot worse things in the world that can happen to you and if you don't see that I hope you live in a very rich neighborhood. If I gave you a choice between my dick and a blowtorch and pair of pliers what would you take ?

T^T

I know of many many many cases where rape does physically injure for life in way too many cases.
One case Bloke gets so angry because shes screaming, he takes a broken bottle to her, she ends up having to bag her pee, and her poop, and has scars from the top of her anus to the top of her mound, her boyfriend found out who did it and cut his fingers off with a machete....he got six years for GBH.
The rapist, who nearly killed her, got less than a third of that, because he was on painkillers and alcohol. That happened, over 30 years ago. Ive known hundreds of others over the years in DV shelters, on the streets, and crisis prevention.
I could go on, and on, and on....
Mine happened 35 years ago, I still have the scars....physical ones.

You can attempt to desensitize it for your own gratification, it doesnt make it true.

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ORIGINAL: respectmen

So tell me, Dizzy, what is your solution to the problem? Does anyone on planet earth have a solution? If they did, wouldn't it be fixed by now in 2016?

Tell me how blaming patriarchy is going to fix this problem, dizzy.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

All I know is that confirming a victim mentality is a bad thing. I got shot in the face, they did not invade one of my holes, they made their own. Now compare rape to that.

People make it out to be a lifelong sentence or some shit and it is not true for Women and it is not true for Men. Scarred for life my ass, Scarred for life is when you got an arm blown off or some shit. the kid showed me a picture he got off Facebook of the soldiers who won Iwogima that said courage and then had the Gay flag and it said real courage. Gays are a protected species in most countries meantime these soldier had people shooting at them and you got the fucking gall to say some shit like that ? That instead of being a soldier and risking your life is brave, fucking other guys in a country that has laws against you being discriminated against is more brave ? You are not looking for equal rights, you are looking for special rights. the kid's response got him banned for a week. I say just leave that cesspool if they think that shit. But I guess he gets bored.

I am sure rape hurts both physically and mentally, but there are worse things in life. Want your kneecap shot off ? How about an arm cut off ? How about being blinded so you cannot be a witness to something you saw ? How about having your face burned off ?

Rape is a very nasty thing perpetrated by animals (which the government wants to import) and should not be dismissed. It is not like having your purse or wallet stolen, it is alot more than that. But it still has to be put in perspective. there are alot worse things in the world that can happen to you and if you don't see that I hope you live in a very rich neighborhood. If I gave you a choice between my dick and a blowtorch and pair of pliers what would you take ?

T^T

I know of many many many cases where rape does physically injure for life in way too many cases.
One case Bloke gets so angry because shes screaming, he takes a broken bottle to her, she ends up having to bag her pee, and her poop, and has scars from the top of her anus to the top of her mound, her boyfriend found out who did it and cut his fingers off with a machete....he got six years for GBH.
The rapist, who nearly killed her, got less than a third of that, because he was on painkillers and alcohol. That happened, over 30 years ago. Ive known hundreds of others over the years in DV shelters, on the streets, and crisis prevention.
I could go on, and on, and on....
Mine happened 35 years ago, I still have the scars....physical ones.

You can attempt to desensitize it for your own gratification, it doesnt make it true.

Not to derail my own thread Lucy, but we have a terminology problem. (Actually I think RM already derailed it.)

You and Termy have different views on rape because you do not have the same definition of rape.

What is rape?

Is it the bloody gory thing we see on crime shows where the victim is strangled with her pantyhose?

Is it someone slipping sleeping pills into a drink because they spent 100 dollars on dinner?

Is it Han Solo kissing Leia without her consent?

Priests and alter boys?

The Ancient Greek system?

Guards using prisoners and giving the prisoners extra whatevers?

Quid pro quo?

Blah blah blah, you get the idea.

Rape is such an encompassing "thing" that people all have their idea of what rape is, when they use the term.

In fact, part of the point of this article is that for so long it has not been deemed rape with men and boys, it has just been deemed assault. So we are in a transition period when more "things" are being brought in to are encompassing rape "thing."

So, yes Termy is right in describing rape. And you are right in describing rape. But until you both decide on what this "thing" called rape is and are both seeing the same thing, you won't be able to talk to each other about rape the "thing."


And now back to our "let's blame someone fest."

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the social stigmas can pretty much stem from men stronger, women weaker.

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From there on, we have seen a lot of messed up judgements between men and women based on that simple fact

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If you want to blame patriarchy, you need to prove if this certain opinion would be any different if women happened to run governments in society.

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So blaming people in powerful positions in society based on their gender (patriarchy) for social opinions in society is a very simplistic standpoint.

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ORIGINAL: respectmen

DS

Try to kick my arse all you want, I will headbutt you and knock you out, buddy

Anyway, I'm not blaming feminism for why men get raped. I'm placing a part of the blame on feminism in today's society for the social stigma against male rape victims. Only a moron wouldn't be able to comprehend the difference. I explained this above.

As to your theory on blaming patriarchy, I already refuted the whole patriarchy blame game above.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Since English is not your first language, I will re-iterate that my issue is with extra-judicial punishment.

Sentence the guy to crucifixion. I am fine with that.

I am fine if you sentence him to be raped by 50 people every day.

I am NOT fine with sentencing him to confinement and allowing others to assault him.

Prison rape should be considered a bug, not a feature.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
I am fine if you sentence him to be raped by 50 people every day.

I am NOT fine with sentencing him to confinement and allowing others to assault him.

Prison rape should be considered a bug, not a feature.