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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 10:24:25 AM   
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They have time to fix it so every one will receive SS. Maybe both parties will get together and do just that.

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 10:29:37 AM   
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aha, just like they have fixed a replacement for the aca. And trump will appoint that special investigator.... and medicare and medicaid arent up for some major hurt for a lot of people.



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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 10:46:46 AM   
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He can't do anything now. He isn't the president until January 21st.

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 10:49:11 AM   
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They must plug the tax void empty piggy banks gaping huge vortexes, by the creators....how do we say creator anyone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPiu4QmJyWs

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 11:22:33 AM   
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Now, how do we say catastrophe....anyone...anyone at all? I will teach you savages languages and thought if its the last thing I do.....the men will be hurled into volcano and the women i will keep for ravishment purposes or a nice coffee and slab of cake...still on?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1vP8GQwV6Y


Actually when does he become president of that zany shit hole of utter woe calling itself America

8th of November at minus 2.6 million votes...not that you find that out till a month later as Americans can count slowly.
19th December when the electoral college cast their votes - lets see who is a man/women in that lot and it wont be 42.
January 20th Twentieth Amendment in 1933.

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 11:28:31 AM   
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February, I think.
(Assuming nothing odd happens in the meantime.)
ETA:
It seems to be January the 21st, looking at servant's post above.

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 11:40:40 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

He can't do anything now. He isn't the president until January 21st.

LOL jus saying, because he said he has decided not to...his own words:) thats what you voted for wasnt it????

but the bill is in ways and means committee..its bill HR 6489
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/6489?r=37

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 11:42:39 AM   
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I think its January the 19th I need to look up the 12th Not that I will as Americans and their democracy bore me.

we all know the book of revelations spake of the coming of the pussy grabber - right?

Anyone who actually knows me know I love the olde testament, nicked as it was....but the book of revelations, read it, that always scared me from an early year...vague memories of it still do but I cannot quite remember how it goes...new testament is shit but that book hmmmm

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 11:57:31 AM   
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I'd be wary about getting all Revelations-y about the circus peanut: does that dog's arse really deserve lumping in with Nero?

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 12:31:51 PM   
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Probably W's cutting the SS tax was a bad idea, since it exacerbated the problem.

And that's the point--the GOP isn't interested in helping SS; they're intent on killing it, slowly if necessary.


Cutting the SS tax ? When did that happen ? Far as I knew it went up from 15.2 % to 16 %.

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 12:50:31 PM   
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It was cut nearly in half, reducing the solvency of SS by at least nine years.

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 12:54:54 PM   
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i don't buy your conclusion, but that said...

yes 2008 was a really bad bump but peoples retirements are not "wiped out" per se---they lost value that can be, and is, regained over time.

setting aside any quibbling though over that phrase, the return on investments in stocks and bonds is generally upward.

consider a 40k salary with 12.4% per year employee/employer "contribution" going towards social security. that's 4960 dollars per year that could be going back into people's pockets.

over the course of 20 yrs, that's ~100k straight up without any investing. at 35 yrs, its around ~175k. some people would be able to retire on the savings alone.

if im able to take 5k per year, over 20yrs, at a meager 3%, it grows to 146k. over 35yrs at the same interest, it grows to 322K.

even a 30k salary under the same conditions above can end up at 242k over 35yrs. if I work a minimum wage job for 35yrs and invest the social security taxes I wouldn't have to pay, id end up with 129k.

I cannot get the calculator to work for me, but this investment blog has a link to a spreadsheet that answers questions concerning the dow's actual performance in its lifetime within a given time frame. that is, if invested x dollars between 1985 and 2010, how much is that investment worth now.

http://observationsandnotes.blogspot.com/2011/08/stock-market-dow-growth-calculator.html

I realize this is somewhat simplistic, but in principle, its what some conservative and libertarian social security reformers are calling for.

on another hand, yes I realize getting people to act now for their own best interest 35 yrs down the road, would be a great challenge.






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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 1:10:54 PM   
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It was cut nearly in half, reducing the solvency of SS by at least nine years.


A quick Google reveals this happened in 2014/2016. Who was President then ?

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 1:19:48 PM   
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Sure, and I remember a big ad coming in the mail touting 0.9 % APY which is not even 0.9 % APR. So you are talking taking risks which sets you up for another 2008 style scam. And Obama did not do a damn thing about preventing is from happening again.

The goniff bankers figured out the way to do this in 1929 and again a few other times and then finally did it alot better in 2008. And they will do it again.

And the people who are supposed to know how to fix this shit just dump QE money out the windows, and create more debt and/or devaluation of the dollar which is only temporarily forestalled.

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 1:41:16 PM   
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"Social Security in jeopardy"

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Social Security's trust fund will be depleted by the time today's newborns graduate from high school. Today's lawmakers know it, but they have yet to do something about it.

Recently, the AARP, the Heritage Foundation, and the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare participated in a public discussion of Social Security in Pueblo. The goals of that program were: 1) to explore perspectives on the future of Social Security; 2) to discuss potential policy implications, and 3) to encourage lawmakers to take a position with respect to the options available.

This is important stuff. Social Security is the largest federal program. With costs running at about $1 trillion annually, it consumes one quarter of the federal budget. And while payroll taxes collected from current workers finance the vast majority of benefits received by today's seniors, the program is already running sizable cash-flow deficits.

In 2015, the most recent year for which data are available, Social Security's cash-flow deficit amounted to $70 billion. This deficit is the difference between what the program collects in taxes from workers and current benefit recipients, and what it is paying out in benefits to retirees and their families.

And this deficit is growing rapidly. Every day, 10,000 baby bombers retire, and every day, fewer new workers enter the work force. The ratio of workers (those paying into the system) to beneficiaries (those collecting from the system) has shrunk from 16:1 in 1950 to fewer than 3:1 today.

It is true that Social Security amassed about $2.8 trillion in special issue treasury securities from payroll tax surpluses collected for about two decades up until 2010. But the painful and enraging truth is that Congress spent all the money and borrowed more on top of it.

Today the assets remaining in the Social Security trust fund are essentially IOUs—unfunded obligations that American taxpayers are expected to pay off now and in the future. And they are just part of the $19 trillion national debt.

And here’s another cold, hard truth: even if Congress had secured the money paid in Social Security taxes in a lockbox and doled it out only to retirees, today's seniors have been promised far more in benefits than lawmakers ever made provisions to pay for. The unfunded obligation tops $14 trillion over the 75-year horizon.

In the same vein, Social Security's current and growing deficits are already adding to the national debt. The Treasury cannot create money out of thin air, but it can borrow on the credit of the American taxpayer. And that's exactly what's happening today to cover the Social Security shortfall.

There are several ways to fix this crisis, but none is completely painless. Congress can raise the retirement age, switch to a less generous benefit computation formula, hike taxes to bring in more revenue, or adopt some combination of these approaches. Yet every one of these options represents a cut of some sort to someone. Lawmakers either cut what comes out of the program or they cut the take-home pay of workers to increase what flows in.

The time has long passed for lawmakers to fundamentally change the program such that gains from privatizing a part of Social Security will make all workers better off. Moving more of Americans' retirement resources toward private investments in economic assets that produce real gains over time would certainly improve workers' plight substantially—despite short-term market drops and losses. However, if program reform is contingent upon making every single person affected by Social Security better off, we are all out of luck.

It is time that lawmakers and the public remove the rose-colored glasses and take a good, hard look at today's fiscal realities. Social Security, as currently structured, is unsustainable. Emergency “patches” to shore up the program for another election cycle or two is no solution at all. Kicking the can down the road simply put the financial security and economic opportunity of millions of Americans at greater long-term risk.

Reforms should preserve Social Security's promise of keeping seniors and individuals with severe disabilities out of poverty. That's a realistic goal we can meet without burdening younger generations with undue debt and tax burdens. Subsidizing decades-long retirements for all American workers regardless of need? That, we simply cannot afford anymore.


http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2016/10/social-security-in-jeopardy

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 1:45:45 PM   
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In December 2010, as part of the legislation that extended the Bush tax cuts (called the Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010, the government negotiated a temporary, one-year reduction in the FICA payroll tax. In February 2012, the tax cut was extended for another year.

Fix your google, (I am sure it is your skills, and not the internet) and when you do, read the constitution as well.

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 1:52:48 PM   
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sorry (not really) mnalevolent:



http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/statistics/payroll-tax-rates

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 1:59:56 PM   
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Who was President in 2010 ?

Also, the government, according to the Constitution has absolutely no obligation to provide for anyone, period. You read it.

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 2:01:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

"Social Security in jeopardy"

quote:

Social Security's trust fund will be depleted by the time today's newborns graduate from high school. Today's lawmakers know it, but they have yet to do something about it.

Recently, the AARP, the Heritage Foundation, and the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare participated in a public discussion of Social Security in Pueblo. The goals of that program were: 1) to explore perspectives on the future of Social Security; 2) to discuss potential policy implications, and 3) to encourage lawmakers to take a position with respect to the options available.

This is important stuff. Social Security is the largest federal program. With costs running at about $1 trillion annually, it consumes one quarter of the federal budget. And while payroll taxes collected from current workers finance the vast majority of benefits received by today's seniors, the program is already running sizable cash-flow deficits.

In 2015, the most recent year for which data are available, Social Security's cash-flow deficit amounted to $70 billion. This deficit is the difference between what the program collects in taxes from workers and current benefit recipients, and what it is paying out in benefits to retirees and their families.

And this deficit is growing rapidly. Every day, 10,000 baby bombers retire, and every day, fewer new workers enter the work force. The ratio of workers (those paying into the system) to beneficiaries (those collecting from the system) has shrunk from 16:1 in 1950 to fewer than 3:1 today.

It is true that Social Security amassed about $2.8 trillion in special issue treasury securities from payroll tax surpluses collected for about two decades up until 2010. But the painful and enraging truth is that Congress spent all the money and borrowed more on top of it.

Today the assets remaining in the Social Security trust fund are essentially IOUs—unfunded obligations that American taxpayers are expected to pay off now and in the future. And they are just part of the $19 trillion national debt.

And here’s another cold, hard truth: even if Congress had secured the money paid in Social Security taxes in a lockbox and doled it out only to retirees, today's seniors have been promised far more in benefits than lawmakers ever made provisions to pay for. The unfunded obligation tops $14 trillion over the 75-year horizon.

In the same vein, Social Security's current and growing deficits are already adding to the national debt. The Treasury cannot create money out of thin air, but it can borrow on the credit of the American taxpayer. And that's exactly what's happening today to cover the Social Security shortfall.

There are several ways to fix this crisis, but none is completely painless. Congress can raise the retirement age, switch to a less generous benefit computation formula, hike taxes to bring in more revenue, or adopt some combination of these approaches. Yet every one of these options represents a cut of some sort to someone. Lawmakers either cut what comes out of the program or they cut the take-home pay of workers to increase what flows in.

The time has long passed for lawmakers to fundamentally change the program such that gains from privatizing a part of Social Security will make all workers better off. Moving more of Americans' retirement resources toward private investments in economic assets that produce real gains over time would certainly improve workers' plight substantially—despite short-term market drops and losses. However, if program reform is contingent upon making every single person affected by Social Security better off, we are all out of luck.

It is time that lawmakers and the public remove the rose-colored glasses and take a good, hard look at today's fiscal realities. Social Security, as currently structured, is unsustainable. Emergency “patches” to shore up the program for another election cycle or two is no solution at all. Kicking the can down the road simply put the financial security and economic opportunity of millions of Americans at greater long-term risk.

Reforms should preserve Social Security's promise of keeping seniors and individuals with severe disabilities out of poverty. That's a realistic goal we can meet without burdening younger generations with undue debt and tax burdens. Subsidizing decades-long retirements for all American workers regardless of need? That, we simply cannot afford anymore.


http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2016/10/social-security-in-jeopardy

Heritage Foudation was the slobberblogging felchgobblers who said that the Nutsucker Ws tax cuts would have our debt to 0 by 2010.

They are the imbeciles that lead you innumerates around by the tongue.

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2001/04/the-economic-impact-of-president-bushs-tax-relief-plan

They are no more credible nor factual nor learned than townhall, washington times, faux noise, WND, dailycaller, infowars, zerohedge or any other factless nutsucker slobber blog you rapturously felch with your boyfriends in the ciclefelch coven.

If this was a kindergarten math class, you would have already been denied admission, if policy was your job you would have been committed as unfit for mental normalcy.

Its retard city with you guys, all the way and every day.

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 2:03:06 PM   
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"Social Security vs. Private Retirement"

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Is Social Security a good retirement plan? Economics professor Antony Davies shows that Americans stand to earn significantly less and assume more risk with Social Security than other investment options. According to Davies, taxpayers would be better off both in terms of financial security and return on investment by investing their money privately. Social security is extremely expensive, soon to be insolvent, and doesn’t even offer taxpayers the most bang for their buck. For those reasons, Prof. Davies argues that it is time for the government to phase out Social Security. Davies’ solution: the government should honor its obligations to current retirees while giving Americans the freedom to invest their money as they see fit.

For more, visit LearnLiberty.org.


https://www.libertarianism.org/media/around-web/social-security-vs-private-retirement

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