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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 2:08:04 PM   
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"Social Security vs. Private Retirement"

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Is Social Security a good retirement plan? Economics professor Antony Davies shows that Americans stand to earn significantly less and assume more risk with Social Security than other investment options. According to Davies, taxpayers would be better off both in terms of financial security and return on investment by investing their money privately. Social security is extremely expensive, soon to be insolvent, and doesn’t even offer taxpayers the most bang for their buck. For those reasons, Prof. Davies argues that it is time for the government to phase out Social Security. Davies’ solution: the government should honor its obligations to current retirees while giving Americans the freedom to invest their money as they see fit.

For more, visit LearnLiberty.org.


https://www.libertarianism.org/media/around-web/social-security-vs-private-retirement


Problem being that if people aren't forced to invest in retirement they won't and then the government will end up having to support them anyways.

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 2:21:44 PM   
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Yeah, PhD or not Antony Davie is a nobody in Economics.

The stupid is strong and the video wont load, and libertarianism.org is one of your nutsucker slobber blogs that proves you are a kochsucker.

In any case, you (if you are not too fucking retarded, but you are) can enumerate the massive risks of social security buying US government instruments vs. any fucking piece of shit stock on wall street over say, 40 years an average working life, say over 66 year sliding scales.

Risk has the component of reward, no doubt. But US government securities, no matter how hard the nutsuckers work to badmouth the US and America have never lost half their value or more in the history of this nation.

I would hate to have been a nutsucker invested in 1929 or any other 'republican' administration since in the stock market, trying to retire.

As we see, our investment is not needed in making america great again in the corporate free market communist world, because our capitalists do that with the fine welfare provided them by nutsuckers right? I mean that is the dogshit you guys are touting to the citizenry, as we have seen the slow undoing of America since nutsuckers came into power.



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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 2:22:19 PM   
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hard to know how the government might respond to such an occasion.

meanwhile, not that republicans at the time seemed to have objected to the bill, but look at the (unsettling?) discrepancies between the parties in terms of numbers for each.

https://www.ssa.gov/history/tally.html

oh and mnalevolent, is your life so devoid of meaning that you need to come here regularly and practice your own pitiable form of self-justifying, mean-spirited, vulgarity in order to feel better about yourself?

go read a book or something?

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 2:28:09 PM   
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hard to know how the government might respond to such an occasion.

meanwhile, not that republicans at the time seemed to have objected to the bill, but look at the (unsettling?) discrepancies between the parties in terms of numbers for each.

https://www.ssa.gov/history/tally.html

Yes, the real republicans and conservatives saw some good in socialism, as they did when they created land grant colleges, as they created public education and so on. But lets face it, the know nothings and the greasy mechanics and the mudsillers they took in to form the party, as well as the Credit Mobilier thugs and goons have taken over and made it a very un-American party.

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 3:01:51 PM   
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being somewhat facetious, I can cut right (no paradoxical pun intended) to the leftie's chase:

raise taxes!!

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 3:09:44 PM   
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hard to know how the government might respond to such an occasion.

meanwhile, not that republicans at the time seemed to have objected to the bill, but look at the (unsettling?) discrepancies between the parties in terms of numbers for each.

https://www.ssa.gov/history/tally.html

oh and mnalevolent, is your life so devoid of meaning that you need to come here regularly and practice your own pitiable form of self-justifying, mean-spirited, vulgarity in order to feel better about yourself?

go read a book or something?


I have a direct communication style. I have no need to feel better about myself. Sorry if you can't handle it.

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 3:21:55 PM   
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um, unless I also call you "mnalevolent" im not addressing you.

the first part of the post yes.

the middle part of the post--to everyone.

the last part, to mnotterail.

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 3:24:20 PM   
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um, unless I also call you "mnalevolent" im not addressing you.



Ooops... i feel better now. My feelings were hurt. ; )

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 3:26:26 PM   
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its easy to get confused since I was actually responding to your post and not everyone knows yet that mnottertail's alias is mnalevolent.

but back on topic:

raise taxes!!

here I can even make that better: make the rich pay their "fair share!"

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 3:30:14 PM   
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being that you are fucking retarded, and failed running a checkbook, and are innumerate, let me cut to the factual, actual, reasoned, real case:

If you felchgobblers are going to spend, (and you do, like you are living your 21st birthday and got a two bit whore and a roll of quarters), insuring you do not interfere in your role as catamites to your corporate masters, and you give so much a fuck about zygotes, your zygotes will pay the tax for your ignorant shitgobbling or we will. If you take a shit, wipe your ass, no matter you will take a shit tomorrow, as the responsible party, pay for your mistakes, do not suffer it even unto the 7th generation as you retarded kochsuckers are wont to do, and you and the nutsucker felchgobbling circlefelch have a pants full of shit, dogshit44.


I know, you think, well, lets spend trillions on the military because it gives a guy a paycheck, but does not make us safer.
But as we do that, lets skimp in some really fucking cockgargling ways, like run our military on technical warfare based on and satellites, and electronic materiel, and buy the components from the Chinese.
So Clinton, based on a waiver shoved thru from GHWB as I pointed out, sold radiation hardened chips to the Chinese. Is it the circlefelchers contention that we will have war with the Chinese? Do you understand that war? Are you like your circlefelch friends thinking you will wave your little peener on your porch at the pizza guy like your welfare patient component does? Your economic war started at Nixon (not a republican but a know-nothing goon and thug, then continued with St. Wrinklemeat, a know-nothing goon and thug)You have a long and traditional line of dildos in neckties, felchgobbler44.


So, here we sit today, and you must agree we need to have some form of Federal government. We, the People: after all. Shall we continue your rather Injun policies of giving the blankets and beads to our people in lieu of actual We, the people, instead of your I, the People? Cuz, I aint seen a bunch of you out here, you who demurred service because you are a leprous whore or DaddysStolenValor who had a kid who got run over when he was crossing guard in Wintex in Germany coming from FT. Bliss, or any fucking thing, that are any more to be beheld than for to suck the dingleberries off my ass hairs.

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 4:00:04 PM   
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um, unless I also call you "mnalevolent" im not addressing you.

the first part of the post yes.

the middle part of the post--to everyone.

the last part, to mnotterail.

tell me what I should be paying attention to from your vast monograph on felchgobbling, otherwise: out of hand you are sucking your common bowl of dicks.

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 4:02:20 PM   
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its easy to get confused since I was actually responding to your post and not everyone knows yet that mnottertail's alias is mnalevolent.

but back on topic:

raise taxes!!

here I can even make that better: make the rich pay their "fair share!"

everybody knows yiour alias is felchgobbler44, and dogshit44, and that retard that gobbles it like a kochsucker.

What is the confusion you are having, shitbreather44?

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 4:10:46 PM   
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its easy to get confused since I was actually responding to your post and not everyone knows yet that mnottertail's alias is mnalevolent.

but back on topic:

raise taxes!!

here I can even make that better: make the rich pay their "fair share!"

Oh, better yet, lets just sieze the corporations, they are not people but are taxation without representation. You know, why we founded this country not to cater to kochsuckers. Dont play that dogshit44, you were paying your fair share as a shitbreather at your welfare check since you been old enough to work, I mean the cockgarlglers like yourself dogshit44, have paid a fair share at less taxes than american citizens, with corporate welfare to boot.

No wonder america is a debtor, you cockgarglers dont believe in america, you are communists with another name

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 5:15:34 PM   
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i don't buy your conclusion, but that said...

yes 2008 was a really bad bump but peoples retirements are not "wiped out" per se---they lost value that can be, and is, regained over time.

setting aside any quibbling though over that phrase, the return on investments in stocks and bonds is generally upward.

consider a 40k salary with 12.4% per year employee/employer "contribution" going towards social security. that's 4960 dollars per year that could be going back into people's pockets.

over the course of 20 yrs, that's ~100k straight up without any investing. at 35 yrs, its around ~175k. some people would be able to retire on the savings alone.

if im able to take 5k per year, over 20yrs, at a meager 3%, it grows to 146k. over 35yrs at the same interest, it grows to 322K.

even a 30k salary under the same conditions above can end up at 242k over 35yrs. if I work a minimum wage job for 35yrs and invest the social security taxes I wouldn't have to pay, id end up with 129k.

I cannot get the calculator to work for me, but this investment blog has a link to a spreadsheet that answers questions concerning the dow's actual performance in its lifetime within a given time frame. that is, if invested x dollars between 1985 and 2010, how much is that investment worth now.

http://observationsandnotes.blogspot.com/2011/08/stock-market-dow-growth-calculator.html

I realize this is somewhat simplistic, but in principle, its what some conservative and libertarian social security reformers are calling for.

on another hand, yes I realize getting people to act now for their own best interest 35 yrs down the road, would be a great challenge.



Can't go by the DOW, far too narrow and most advisers and analysts use the S & P as a rule of thumb, it being a much safer spread of risk.

Aside from the fact using either index example, if anyone had relied even upon the S & P planned to retire at 65 in 2008, they would have found themselves having to work at least until 70 and likely longer without the same benefits as TARP which we know would have easily doubled the taxpayer bailout.

Banks can be and are obviously are, too big to fail, people are not. For a real conservative let alone a libertarian, do you really think the bankers would have let their govt. hirelings repeal Gl/St and break up banks to big to fail, let alone...even exist ? The answer is yes.

The real conservatism and libertarianism needed for such protections via real risk, simply has no horse in Wash., D.C. So while what you say may be the real conservative or libertarian ideal model, there is no way the elderly voting block would have let such risk be subjected to their meager stipend of Soc. Sec.

Add to that risk, the concept of 36 years of over payment into Soc. Sec being squandered and the trust in business, banking and govt. is rightfully very. very suspect. And I don't blame anyone anywhere near 40 let alone 50 or 60 years old for insisting that as long as we have the financial regime we have and have had, the best way for the repubs or anybody) to lose power, is...fuck with Soc. Sec.

Oh and even just 15 (65 to 80) years of retirement at $1,500 a month (close to Soc. Sec now) would be $270,000 and that's a minimum regardless of interest income, which addition would be justified in exchange for any risk at all.


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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 5:28:08 PM   
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Who was President in 2010 ?

Also, the government, according to the Constitution has absolutely no obligation to provide for anyone, period. You read it.

T^T

.....and who now regularly threatens to shut down the govt. even throw out the possibility of defaulting on fed. debt, if they...don't get their way ?

Who now, trying to use the same tactic, just averted the same thing Friday night ? What did Obama do and what could he have done ?

Does the constitution allow for a default of our debt ? NO !!

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/10/2016 11:40:20 PM   
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its easy to get confused since I was actually responding to your post and not everyone knows yet that mnottertail's alias is mnalevolent.

but back on topic:

raise taxes!!

here I can even make that better: make the rich pay their "fair share!"


Make the rich pay ? What, all 100 of them ? The fact is there are not enough of them to do any real good. The debt is in the tens of trillions so unless you get the Rothschilds to move here and make tax laws that they have to pay bigtime you ain't getting anywhere.

The only thing you can do is tax companies and if they move out tax their products to the point where they lose money doing it. Government taskes the money and caves. They have no fucking balls. I would tell them "You are paying for access to this market". What's more if you even have one office here you are paying US taxes on all you make all over the world, just like real people have to. You did go to court to be considered persons right ? Well now you fucking are.

Rich people, well they would be paying more but that in no way would help the debt situation because there are too few of them. But if alot of things are deductible they will spend and that will stimulate the economy.

The problem is that they own the politicians.


Remember the story about the monkeys ? They put them in a cage and there was a banana at the top of a ladder, but it gave them an electrical shock. They changed out some of the monkeys and the old monkeys told the new monkeys not to climb the ladder, even though the electrical shock had not been administered for some time. The new monkey obeyed the old monkeys and then the old monkeys were removed and the new old monkeys told the new arrivals not to climb the ladder and try to get that banana.

The only way to solve this is to change ALL the monkeys at the same time but the way the Constitution has it set up that is impossible without serious strife.

Even James Tafficant, who was absolutely without a doubt framed came out and said there are certain people you do not piss off. I mean on a video. He has been told to stay away from government or else. Who told him that ?

They would have loved to have gotten Ron Paul and even Dennis Kucinich but those two did practically nothing while in office. Tafficant had a farm where he let kids work as farm boys and they were coached into thinking they were getting abused or some bullshit. And they still couldn't convict him on that, they got someone into his organisation who was cashing checks from a lawyer and found some sort of conflict of interest, and you cannot find exactly what that was. They had him under complete surveilence for years and had absolutely nothing to use in court, and yes they could have because they had a warrant. But because someone signed checks in his name, they were able to put him away. I was here people, I remember. He almost ran from prison and people around here think he could have won. Of course everyone capitulated, realizing how impractical that would be.

One thing Trump said alot of people liked was about lobbyists. They got to go. I don't know what he has in mind but it better be good or the monkeys will eat him alive. He better pick his own secret service agents if he plans to stop the lobbyists. On the other hand he seems to be hiring some of the people who pay those lobbyists.

And maybe he doesn't know it but if they privatize social security they are going to have a mess ten times bigger than the federal reserve (a private corporation) has created. Chartered by the government for an essential function, IT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY. We are paying YOU to do this job. Congress was empowered by the Constitution to issue money and regulate the value thereof, not to abrogate their responsibility and hand it over to a corporation that is largely owned by foreign interests. And that is where half of our problems came from. It is a for profit corporation. And it has never had a real proper audit, I mean when federal agents order all the employees into the corner and start examining every record. All the audits have been internal. At least physically. But when "law enforcement" gets every scrap of evidence fro the accused, don't you think there is a bit of possibility of not getting the whole truth ? If they audited me and I said I bought a building and am losing money on it they want to know just where that building is. They will contact the seller and go in there and examine their record without mentioning my name, because they get fined if they do. Then they want receipts and they will go and talk to the people who wrote them, and still not mention my name, just go through ALL their records. they are not allowed to reveal who the target of an IRS investigation is, it is $100,000 per offense and one guy one $1.2 million from them for 12 offenses. they thank their god whoever that might be that most people do not know that. It is in the IRS code, a matter of public record. however their handbook is not a matter of public record. How convenient.

People talk about cuts in the FICA rates people pay and blame republicans, but Obama signed them. Now SS will be in trouble and benefits will have to be cut or the whole thing goes down, or debt goes up. I say that the republicans should not cut benefits, they should undo those cuts in the FICA tax. But they are so afraid to have people have a little bit more deductions from their paychecks they will probably pussy out. And as a result, by the time I get it (nine years to go) it will be nothing you can live on.

They are just like democrats, say whatever to get elected and then do whatever to stay elected. I never denied that. What I said was that Clinton was bad news and I am glad she is not getting the chair. (well the electric chair would be alright)

Let the country descend into anarchy, fukit. We have no choice anyway, we cannot sustain this. Maybe he will bring on the civil unrest that will finally fix things. He knows every hillbilly and their niggas have guns. He knows people are pissed off, and knows that is why he got the chair. Now he is going to sign to cut benefits to old people ? If it were me I would undo the cuts, which I agree I didn't even know had happened.

No matter if I retire or get disabled I know my benefits were cut because for ten year at least I had a part time under the table job that paid more than most people make, let alone take home. I am not bitching about that, but I am glad I didn't pay for gulf war two, or a bunch of other things. You did. And I didn't vote.

You say I got no right to bitch for not voting ? Bullshit, YOU voted for these people. There was nobody to vote for. YOU voted for them and look what happened. My abstentions were a statement - NONE OF THE ABOVE.

Damn I wish they would put that on the ballot. And really just have no President, or senator or whatever. I only marginally supported Obama because we had Mr 100 years in Iraq and Mr fuck 47 % of the people. With no President, only bills that have vetoproof support would pass. And people i states who REALLY cannot find a congressman or senator to run, then so much for that.

So it really looks like they are going to cut SS benefits, but they really are going to have to raise the rates. I hope this congress doesn't cling to that "revenue neutral" bullshit. You want revenue neutral, get neutral back to like 20 years ago when people paid 15.2 %. Raise the cap a bit and have a means test. for example, you think Donald Trump should be collecting social security ? He is eligible you know. but he said he was going to even refuse the President's salary, but I guess he has to take a dollar a year. He should maybe donate it all to some charity. To the federal government that is a drop in the bucket, but to a local homeless shelter, or like a half dozen of them it would be a godsend. He should rethink that, don't not take it, just donate it all out.

Maybe he will, maybe he won't. It is hard to find someone who can really put things in perspective, and the richer they come the harder it is to find one who can. It could be fifty grand a year to eight of them.

In fact I just heard (really just heard) that at the towers there has been a homeless Woman staying for quite some time and he hasn't thrown her out. someone called and the cops told her to be ready to get out the next day and Trump said pretty much "Fukit, let her stay". I really find it hard to believe unless she is good in bed or something, but who knows. there are guys as old as Trump who still prowl, so to speak. I might check on the truth of this but not right now. Though I don't really fault him if she is one of his concubines or something, and it is wrong technically, it is not as bad as Clinton.

Don't make me out to be calling Trump a philanthropist, she is probably polishing his knob real good. Or something. But until January 20th we got nothing to say about it. If he has her coming to the whitehose to do that when he is supposed to be working, then there is a problem. That is the problem with Bill Clinton, why wasn't he working ? I can think of a few jobs I had that if I was getting a blowjob on company time I would have at least got docked, and at a couple I would have gotten fired. What about any job, you stick your dick into the pickle slicer and she usually gets fired too. And what's more, his olday put up with it. And you want her for President when she can be bought off of marriage vows that were no doubt "spoken in front of god" ?

That's why she lost. Part of it anyway. you say Trump says anything, well so does she but she just makes up better lies.

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/11/2016 12:14:06 AM   
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"Does the constitution allow for a default of our debt ? NO !! "

Actually it does. When the amendment came abolishing slavery there was something in there that said certain debts are not collectable and others were. This lead to court rulings depriving southerners of their land and the subsequent creating of the KKK. they were not after Blacks, they were after judges. The war on Blacks actually came later and it was partly because of the judges letting them off on crimes like rape and all that.

They were pissed off. I don't blame them, hundreds of years of whitey raping their daughters n shit, wouldn't you be pissed off ? But the KKK did not see that as a reason to allow revenge, but the judges did. this was called the "reconstruction" but you are free to go mention Sherman in Savannah. And the government looked the other way while all these abuses happened.

They should have been better Men and not took to this shit, but hell, Whites cannot really claim any moral high ground either.

And last but not least, we don't need to have a court or Constitution allow the US to default on their debt, the military can do that. just pull back from all those bases around the world, deploy anti-missile missiles and nuclear equipped submarines and tell then to go fuck themselves.

I know we cannot take on the whole world, but we can sure defend this country against it, as long as traitors do not defeat our defenses like at Pearl Harbor and the WTC. We CAN keep this country, the problem is we are no longer self sufficient. Now whose fault is that ? Pearl Harbor happened before I was born, and they changed their story. At first it was there was no RADAR for whatever reason not explained and when people stopped accepting that they went to a shipment of planes was expected. Oh, form a country we had embargoes on and were starving out and antagonizing ? Just what were they selling us ? They should have stuck with the original lie. And 911, if I fly a Cessna in US airspace and deviate from my filed flight plan I get a visit from the air force in the air.

They have failed to defend the US against all attacks. Muslims can go into military bases and shoot the place up, the JDL can beak into police stations and steal the record of US Citizens, and steal every secret we ever had and some kystrons and they still want Pollard back. We spend billions on cybersecutiry and somehow not only Anonymous years ago, but now the Russians can break into the computers ? And they can get the information the NSA supposedly can't ?

This government might as well shrink and curtail its activities everywhere because they have failed everywhere. Start with Israel, QME plus three billion a year for their genocide. Then Iran, get rid of Mossadeq because the oild companies said so and then 24 years later the Shah is deposed by the people and flees to the US and Carter harbors a fugitive from justice.

That created the theocracy in Iran and then we needed Saddam in Iraq to antagonize them even more, until he got sick of the US' bullshit and switched to the euro and was about to flood the market with petrobucks.

And that is not even including alot of other shit, like Nam and Korea. The fact that there is a North Korea means we couldn't even beat that little shit. and they are playing nuclear games, openly threatening to attack us but instead of fucking with them, we fuck with Iran. Well that is about as sensible as fucking with Iraq using 911 as part of the excuse when they had nothing to do with it. then we finally get to Afghanistan and it is all for the poppies, the opiates. the Taliban would not allow their growth for opiate production so they had to go. but everything was fine till then. And Qadaffi was fine until he started working on introducing the African gold dinar, which would compete with the ill backed petrobuck and that worked out really good. Now e got BRICS which has declared war on the petrobuck and wants to replace it with something - ANYTHING else. Just to put the US down in its place, in their view. Take a look at the membership of BRICS, this is nothing to be trifled with.

And this is all your money. And now, up until a certain time these Arabs n shit did figure we the People were not supporting this shit and could do nothing to stop it, but electing GW Bush twice kinda changed their mind, and then electing the drone warrior Obama convinced them even further. and now you can expect nothing but trouble from them.

And now in general, the US government is going to allow in these refugees which we created and hate us to kills and rape and plunder to gain support for the next war, which they intend to be a near genocide on Islam.

You have been played like a fucking fiddle. (well maybe not you personally, but you know what I mean)

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/11/2016 5:54:16 AM   
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again, the fundamental question is, to whom does money belong. the individuals who are paid with it, or the government.

and as a corollary to that, what is the governments role in "providing" for people who don't provide for themselves. one might even re-word that question, a la Aesop's fable of the ant and the grasshopper, what is governments role when the country is full of grasshoppers?

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/11/2016 6:29:35 AM   
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The question seems to be what is a government -- a group of warlords who rode in and took over, or our collective decision making for the common good.

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RE: GOP introduces plan to massively cut Social Security - 12/11/2016 7:18:36 AM   
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quote:

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again, the fundamental question is, to whom does money belong. the individuals who are paid with it, or the government.

and as a corollary to that, what is the governments role in "providing" for people who don't provide for themselves. one might even re-word that question, a la Aesop's fable of the ant and the grasshopper, what is governments role when the country is full of grasshoppers?

That is the fundamental question but that question is only asked when the discussion is about funding soc. sec.

Seems and in fact trillion$ of that same money and who that money belongs to, doesn't matter when it comes to expenditures much of which provide massive profits and rather to those in the favor of govt. rather than coming back to the people as does soc. sec.

What is the govt.'s role when it comes to its contractors being rent-seekers ? Pay them it seems...whatever they want and even over and above what was originally committed.

Plus, that fundamental question isn't asked when it comes to the $2.8 trillion in overpayment that congress squandered out of what supposed to be available for soc. sec.

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