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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
The book is the Bible.

Deut 4:22 has the same injunction except it specifically refers to the whole kit and caboodle.

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As I've opined before

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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I mean WHAT KIND of civil court has Blasphemy laws? That is such a religious thingy!

Judeo/Christian bibles are trotted out for oath taking by politicians and by court witnesses, aren't they? What kind of civil society does that?

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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I mean WHAT KIND of civil court has Blasphemy laws? That is such a religious thingy!

Judeo/Christian bibles are trotted out for oath taking by politicians and by court witnesses, aren't they? What kind of civil society does that?

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
What YOU consider it is of no consequence since you don't know what the fucking word means.

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"Much" isn't everything.

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What is the "law" that is being referred to here?

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The notion that Jesus would uphold Leviticus (for example) is ridiculous. Case in point:

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. ~John 8:7

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


To the best of my knowledge, the only Law that Christ upholds is that embodied in the Ten Commandments. Mosaic Law "refers primarily to the Torah or first five books of the Hebrew Bible." But in my opinion, the teachings of Christ are not consonant with the barbarisms of Leviticus, or much of the rest of what "God" commands in the OT.

K.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Most people who claim to be "Christian", today should realize that they would be more correctly identifying as "Paulians" or "Constantinians"

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To destroy - To abrogate; to deny their divine authority; to set people free from the obligation to obey them. "The law." The five books of Moses called the law. See the notes at Luke 24:44.

The Prophets - The books which the prophets wrote. These two divisions here seem to comprehend the Old Testament, and Jesus says that he came not to do away or destroy the authority of the Old Testament.

But to fulfil - To complete the design; to fill up what was predicted; to accomplish what was intended in them. The word "fulfill" also means sometimes "to teach" or "to inculcate," Colossians 1:25. The law of Moses contained many sacrifices and rites which were designed to shadow forth the Messiah. See the notes at Hebrews 9. These were fulfilled when he came and offered himself a sacrifice to God,

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“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”

Jesus defended His view of the Old Testament here because religious leaders of Israel attacked His teaching. He rejected the doctrines of the scribes and Pharisees and this angered them. His teaching was so radically different from theirs that they thought He was a heretic.

5:17
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets;

Since Jesus was about to contrast what He said and what the Old Testament said, He did not want to leave the impression that He came to abolish (Literally undo) the Law and Prophets.

The terms “Law” and “Prophets” refer to two of the three major divisions of the Hebrew Bible. The third is the Psalms. However, the meaning may carry the idea of the entire Old Testament.

Jesus fulfilled the moral and spiritual codes with His life and work. There are three codes in the Mosaic Law:

The moral code or commandments—shows God’s standards for fellowship with Him.

The spiritual code or ordinances—shows the coming Messiah by type.

The social code or laws of Israel’s national society

I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Jesus did not come to abolish Old Testament teachings but to “fulfill them.” He fulfilled them with both His person as the Messiah and His teaching about the kingdom. Jesus fulfilled the ceremonial laws that typified the coming antitype. He did not offer a competitive system to the Old Testament but established it.

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, Ro 8:1-3

PRINCIPLE:
Jesus’ death fulfilled all the demands of the Law.

APPLICATION:
Jesus took the curse of the Law for us. His death was a fulfillment of the Law. Jesus’ death rent the veil of the temple to open the way into God’s very presence

Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh… Heb 10:19-20

But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. Eph 2:13

Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”)… Ga 3:13

Jesus fulfilled the Old Covenant (Mosaic Law) and instituted a New Covenant. He fulfilled types (the illustration) by becoming the antitype (the reality).

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. Ro 10:4

Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. Ga 3:24-26

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

that's not a distinction I hold to Michael, nor one ive ever really heard mentioned outside of the forums here.

heres the best commentary I found on the aforementioned verses from matthew:

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To destroy - To abrogate; to deny their divine authority; to set people free from the obligation to obey them. "The law." The five books of Moses called the law. See the notes at Luke 24:44.

The Prophets - The books which the prophets wrote. These two divisions here seem to comprehend the Old Testament, and Jesus says that he came not to do away or destroy the authority of the Old Testament.

But to fulfil - To complete the design; to fill up what was predicted; to accomplish what was intended in them. The word "fulfill" also means sometimes "to teach" or "to inculcate," Colossians 1:25. The law of Moses contained many sacrifices and rites which were designed to shadow forth the Messiah. See the notes at Hebrews 9. These were fulfilled when he came and offered himself a sacrifice to God,

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/matthew/5-17.htm

most of the other commentaries on that page are pretty close to that theme.

in any event, in no way can the verses in matthew be understood that christians, as christians are beholden to the old testament law.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

this commentary does a nice job too:

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Ro 8:1-3
Heb 10:19-20
Eph 2:13
Ga 3:13
Ro 10:4
Ga 3:24-26

The authority being cited in the references above is Paul, not Christ, and a reasonable person could hardly be faulted for expecting people who are Christian to choose Christ as their guide. It is fairly clear what he wants from his followers, and equally clear that it isn't consonant with stoning people, etc. Accordingly, the Law to which he refers cannot be Leviticus, and there is no need to invoke the theological constructions of Paul to explain anything.

K.