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Kaliko -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/15/2016 2:29:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Although, as you and I have both agreed, the claimed "need" in this particular case was bullshit.



Right. I think it was just making a point. Not everyone was receptive to it.




respectmen -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/15/2016 4:22:55 PM)

If we showed such fear against muslims or blacks as for assuming you'll be safer from being a victim of crime/terrorism if you avoided being around them in day to day life, what would that be defined as? BIGOTRY.

Yet its all the sudde acceptable for the female gender to be bigots against the male gender.

Basically, this 'need' is saying all men are potential rapists. How is that not sexism and bigotry?





WhoreMods -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 4:51:11 AM)

Have you ever read any feminism, or are you deriving your information from a hatchet job on the early 70s feminist movement that was published in Playboy?




Diffident -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 5:28:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: respectmen

If we showed such fear against muslims or blacks as for assuming you'll be safer from being a victim of crime/terrorism if you avoided being around them in day to day life, what would that be defined as? BIGOTRY.

Yet its all the sudde acceptable for the female gender to be bigots against the male gender.

Basically, this 'need' is saying all men are potential rapists. How is that not sexism and bigotry?





You couldn't get this more backward if you tried. The problem is not that some women say that men are potential rapists, which is actually true so long as you stress the word potential. No, the problem is 100% those men who actually are violent and abusive towards women. Violence towards and harassment of women by men is at such an unacceptably high level in our society that it is perfectly understandable for a woman to worry about the possibility of what might happen when in a vulnerable situation with a man who she doesn't know.

The privilege that you and I take for granted as men to walk alone through city streets after dark, or get in to a taxi driven by an unknown man, without worrying about our personal safety or the hassle, annoyance and potential threat of unwanted attention, is an experience that many women may never enjoy. We probably both agree that it is wrong that potentially up to half of humanity may feel insecure in public spaces, and I would hope that we would both agree that the best solution of all would be the elimination of the potential threats and annoyances which they face that contribute to them feeling that way. Until that happens then it is perfectly reasonable for the people effected to have ideas about ways that will improve their safety and comfort in our public spaces and to expect to be listened to.




Lucylastic -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 5:39:11 PM)

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If we showed such fear against muslims or blacks as for assuming you'll be safer from being a victim of crime/terrorism if you avoided being around them in day to day life, what would that be defined as? BIGOTRY

2nd amendment ??




respectmen -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 5:47:44 PM)

Diffident

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Violence towards and harassment of women by men is at such an unacceptably high level in our society that it is perfectly understandable for a woman to worry about the possibility of what might happen when in a vulnerable situation with a man who she doesn't know.


Who said? Men hating feminists? The problem is that there is so much exaggeration and fucking bullshit when it comes to talking about the rates of women being victims of anything. If 4 women got raped, feminists and leftists will say 40 women got raped.

For fucks sake. Just change your wording from "men" to "muslim" or "blacks" and there your anti male sexism is exposed.

Bigotry is bigotry, you can't change the meaning of the word when women are being bigots against men. Sexism is sexism, you cant change the meaning of the word when women are sexist against men.

There is no way around it. I am sick and tired of people, especially feminists and people on the left, who make excuse after excuse after excuse for sexism against men while totally not accepting such mindsets when its directed at women or minority groups.

You lot are a bunch of fucking disgusting hypocrites.

Male privilege my fucking arse. Where is our male privilege when bigotry and sexism is 100 percent socially acceptable when its directed at our gender and only our gender...such as this example? Where is the privilege in that you fucking moron?

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The privilege that you and I take for granted as men to walk alone through city streets after dark, or get in to a taxi driven by an unknown man, without worrying about our personal safety or the hassle, annoyance and potential threat of unwanted attention, is an experience that many women may never enjoy.


Men are more likely to be victims of violent crime compared to women by a very long shot. The majority of homicide victims are men.

Oh but wait, you're a gynocentric fuckwit, as it seems that violence is only noteworthy when women are the victims.




Lucylastic -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 5:55:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

Have you ever read any feminism, or are you deriving your information from a hatchet job on the early 70s feminist movement that was published in Playboy?

I read more playboy (sex fantasy type material) before I ever have read any feminist stuff, but im not sure where anyone gets the idea that every "feminist" author of a book, blog, news article, rant, group, is right or many who agrees with any or all of it.
I read paglia in the 80s and disagreed with an awful lot of shit. But I was a follower of Xavier Hollander from the very early 70s. I bought her first book"the happy hooker"

I was more interested in showing I didnt give a damn about society's taboos, OR feminisms view that all men are rapists or that women shouldnt have a sexuality all of her own. Or control it herself.
ya fuck that....now 40 years later... the hate from misogynists is the same. The new wave are dumber than their fathers.





respectmen -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 6:05:11 PM)

Lucy

Can you argue how its not sexist or racist to assume that someone is a potential danger based on their gender or race?

Tell us Lucy, how is this any better than banning black people or muslims from such instances because people fear them?

If you can't argue how excluding men from ride sharing isn't sexist and how is it any better compared to doing it against blacks, muslims, women, what is this telling us?

If no one has an argument, could it be that what I'm saying is correct? The women who want these ride sharing apps are sexist bigots?

How can you possibly argue your way out of it? How are these women not sexist bigots? Its just utterly pathetic watching others trying to justify it.




Lucylastic -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 6:26:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: respectmen

Lucy

Can you argue how its not sexist or racist to assume that someone is a potential danger based on their gender or race?

Tell us Lucy, how is this any better than banning black people or muslims from such instances because people fear them?

If you can't argue how excluding men from ride sharing isn't sexist and how is it any better compared to doing it against blacks, muslims, women, what is this telling us?

If no one has an argument, could it be that what I'm saying is correct? The women who want these ride sharing apps are sexist bigots?

How can you possibly argue your way out of it? How are these women not sexist bigots? Its just utterly pathetic watching others trying to justify it.


its called safety.... fear, experience, intuition, vibes, self survival. That you think that being afraid is sexist or afraid, explains oh so very simply, your lack of experience with it.
That you put it simply down to racism or sexism shows how incredibly uninformed and empty you are.

men are quite able to set up one for themselves if they need to, in fact I believe there is one for gays and lesbians( gay=MEN) Bi and Trans(also men and women and gender fluid "men")

I offered to make up a website for you, a few years ago, for resources for men who were homeless andor violence victims, the whole shebang, you ridiculed it.
You would poo poo an app for rideshare, you would claim "Only lefties use it". and then whinge "why cant straight manly men have an app".
You are part of the problem.

No it means that you have no clue what reality is for survivors of violence.





SuBrett -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 6:41:50 PM)

I think really his problem is with the fact that women are venturing out unattended by men. What's next? Are gonna start letting women drive too?




respectmen -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 7:02:04 PM)


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its called safety.... fear, experience, intuition, vibes, self survival


Great, so we can use that excuse as a justification if we treated women, blacks, muslims the same?

If someone ask me why I fear blacks or muslims, I can just say you can't call me a bigot because...its called safety.... fear, experience, intuition, vibes, self survival.

Gotta larf

It makes you people look soooo pathetic trying to justify the very clear undeniable sexism.

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That you think that being afraid is sexist or afraid, explains oh so very simply, your lack of experience with it.


I don't want to share public transport with black people. It's not racist because being afraid doesn't equal to racism, right? lol

Fuck you feminist/leftists are hilariously stupid.

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I think really his problem is with the fact that women are venturing out unattended by men. What's next? Are gonna start letting women drive too?


Yes, we should just all shut up and accept sexism...but only when its against men of course. When the sexism is against women, waves a magic wand, its all the sudden relevant to complain about it.

When will you people stop being such deeply stupid hypocrites?




respectmen -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 7:14:37 PM)

I want a ride sharing app for men. It's to protect their safety from faulty sexual assault claims which women do often. I'm not a misogynist for thinking this way though because
its called safety.... fear, experience, intuition, vibes, self survival


So please, don't call me a misogynist because lets think about safety.... fear, experience, intuition, vibes, self survival.

Gotta larf




Kaliko -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 7:27:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: respectmen

Yes, we should just all shut up and accept sexism...but only when its against men of course. When the sexism is against women, waves a magic wand, its all the sudden relevant to complain about it.



I make decisions on what types of situations to put myself in every day, and they are often based on nothing more than the outward appearance or behavior of others simply because that's all I have to go on. It also depends on the situation. We all make decisions about what's in our best interests, based on whatever criteria we consider important. I don't see a problem with that, and I'm surprised that you do.

I believe that the problem is just as you say above: that we support women who have this type of discomfort about a specific type of person (okay, men) in certain situations, but that men don't seem to enjoy the same type of blanket support for whatever they may struggle with. The issue, in my mind, is not the reason for discomfort, but the hypocrisy.







Lucylastic -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 7:32:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: respectmen


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its called safety.... fear, experience, intuition, vibes, self survival


Great, so we can use that excuse as a justification if we treated women, blacks, muslims the same?

If someone ask me why I fear blacks or muslims, I can just say you can't call me a bigot because...its called safety.... fear, experience, intuition, vibes, self survival.

Gotta larf

It makes you people look soooo pathetic trying to justify the very clear undeniable sexism.

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That you think that being afraid is sexist or afraid, explains oh so very simply, your lack of experience with it.


I don't want to share public transport with black people. It's not racist because being afraid doesn't equal to racism, right? lol

Fuck you feminist/leftists are hilariously stupid.

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I think really his problem is with the fact that women are venturing out unattended by men. What's next? Are gonna start letting women drive too?


Yes, we should just all shut up and accept sexism...but only when its against men of course. When the sexism is against women, waves a magic wand, its all the sudden relevant to complain about it.

When will you people stop being such deeply stupid hypocrites?


I didnt think you would see anything beyond your own ignorance and patently stupid excuses.
I did say victims of violence, but you ignored that completely
slimebag.




vincentML -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 7:45:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: respectmen

So women are entitled to want gender segregation whenever it suits them but if men want it when it suits them, they deserve ridicule and confrontation against it?

Do you understand what equality entails?

From what I can understand, prohibitions against sexual discrimination in Australia are informed by the (1) The Sex Discrimination Act of 1984 and (2) The Human rights Commission Act of 1986.

In perusing summaries of both Acts here there appears to be very little to salve the angst of men who feel they are burdened by feminism. Both laws aim in some detail to provide mechanisms for bringing women up to speed in their status of equality, which has suffered woefully in Australia as it has in all of the English speaking nations.

What racial equality entails (your question) seems pretty clear in the summaries I mentioned.

Your examples of women seeking safety from male uber drivers and protesting against a male only hair cuttery seem to be trivial concerns in the face of the greater injustices Aussie women have historically faced. In the face of the larger problems the examples complained of by you are seriously minor and trite.

The history from which arises the movement for the abolition of sex discrimination arises from the travails imposed on women. Your inability to keep the movement for equality in historical perspective causes your voice to sound whiny and your issues to look silly in their lack of consequence.

I hope that helps you. I urge you to take up a more productive and reasonable hobby or cause.




respectmen -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 7:45:23 PM)

Kaliko

As much as I'm annoyed with the sexism against men in this case, it wouldn't really bother me as much if there wasn't such blatant socially acceptable hypocrisy that comes with it.

Just imagine if I happened to say that men need safe spaces where women are banned because for their safety from getting false sexual assault claims aimed at them. Then went on with all the excuses Lucy spews out. Would it be given a pass?


Lucy

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patently stupid excuses.


Holy fuck! the total irony!

Any excuse, I mean every excuse imaginable, is fucking pathetic when trying to excuse this clear undeniable example of sexist bigotry.




respectmen -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 7:53:51 PM)

Vincent

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In perusing summaries of both Acts here there appears to be very little to salve the angst of men who feel they are burdened by feminism. Both laws aim in some detail to provide mechanisms for bringing women up to speed in their status of equality, which has suffered woefully in Australia as it has in all of the English speaking nations.



So just because women have faced oppression, that means it should all just get given a free pass to be sexist against men? Women can be sexist all they want and men are supposed to shut up because there are examples of sexism against women?

Wow that is a fucking stupid standpoint, not to mention, totally sexist!

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Your examples of women seeking safety from male uber drivers and protesting against a male only hair cuttery seem to be trivial concerns in the face of the greater injustices Aussie women have historically faced. In the face of the larger problems the examples complained of by you are seriously minor and trite.


But its all okay for feminists to complain about manspreading, being called bossy, scantily clad women on a scientist dude's T shirt.

I'm sure there are far bigger issues that are male issues than the issues mentioned above.

Not to mention, female issues women complain about in the western world are trivial compared to what women face in the middle east and africa.

Oh but wait, double standards, hypocrisy of course.




longwayhome -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 7:53:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: respectmen

Diffident

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Violence towards and harassment of women by men is at such an unacceptably high level in our society that it is perfectly understandable for a woman to worry about the possibility of what might happen when in a vulnerable situation with a man who she doesn't know.


Who said? Men hating feminists? The problem is that there is so much exaggeration and fucking bullshit when it comes to talking about the rates of women being victims of anything. If 4 women got raped, feminists and leftists will say 40 women got raped.

For fucks sake. Just change your wording from "men" to "muslim" or "blacks" and there your anti male sexism is exposed.

Bigotry is bigotry, you can't change the meaning of the word when women are being bigots against men. Sexism is sexism, you cant change the meaning of the word when women are sexist against men.

There is no way around it. I am sick and tired of people, especially feminists and people on the left, who make excuse after excuse after excuse for sexism against men while totally not accepting such mindsets when its directed at women or minority groups.

You lot are a bunch of fucking disgusting hypocrites.

Male privilege my fucking arse. Where is our male privilege when bigotry and sexism is 100 percent socially acceptable when its directed at our gender and only our gender...such as this example? Where is the privilege in that you fucking moron?

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The privilege that you and I take for granted as men to walk alone through city streets after dark, or get in to a taxi driven by an unknown man, without worrying about our personal safety or the hassle, annoyance and potential threat of unwanted attention, is an experience that many women may never enjoy.


Men are more likely to be victims of violent crime compared to women by a very long shot. The majority of homicide victims are men.

Oh but wait, you're a gynocentric fuckwit, as it seems that violence is only noteworthy when women are the victims.



Oh he we go again. The old men being victims of crime debate.

We've had that debate before and, as you like citations, I gave you a fully cited answer drawn from UK government statistics from the point of view of male violence against women and male violence against men - Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools.

Violence against males is precisely taken seriously but, and here's the clincher, it is overwhelmingly carried out by men. Let's also be clear that society has been tackling violence against men and having some success. As a result of changing social attitudes, positive public policy and improved policing, it has reduced by 40% over the last ten years in the UK alone.

So I have no problem with women using women's only services if they feel safer. Statistically at least it hugely reduces the odds of bad things happening. The odds weren't that bad to start with - thankfully the vast majority of women are not attacked as they travel home - but when it does happen it's almost certainly a man who does it.

The counter argument about men's only services just doesn't work here because that wouldn't reduce the risk for men. A man would need a female taxi driver for that. Only then, based purely on statistics for male/male and male/female violence, it would be the female taxi driver who was at greater risk.

Some women's only services might represent a form of sexism where they have a significant effect on employment or access, but in this case that's just not true.

As for the barber shop thing, that's a bit extreme. Personally if I frequented a barber shop, I would raise my eyebrows if a woman wanted to spend much time in such a male environment even if she wanted a "male" haircut, but I suspect the outrage against this is a bit manufactured.

Just like you are manufacturing outrage about female only cabs.

It's just not that important mate. People are dying in Aleppo for fuck's sake and this is the best you can come up with?





respectmen -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 8:04:46 PM)

longwayhome

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Violence against males is precisely taken seriously but, and here's the clincher, it is overwhelmingly carried out by men.


We all know that, in that thread and this thread, no one ever denied that. You seem to keep claiming out of thin air that I'm denying this. You're having an imaginary argument with me dude.

You don't seem to be comprehending my argument.

The fact of the matter is not who perpetrates the violence, the fact of the matter in my argument is that men are no safer than women in the big bad world.

I forgot who made the excuse about the rate women are victims for any violent crime to justify what's happening. Anyway, my argument against that is men are no more safe than women as men are more likely victims of violent crime compared to women. Who perpetrates that violence doesn't change that fact.





longwayhome -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 8:05:14 PM)

Not, by the way, that people should only discuss subjects like Aleppo on the Boards. Far from it.

It's just that rm's constant outrage about certain things just contributes to outrage fatigue, when there are plenty of more valid topics to have that intensity of emotional reaction about.

Get a life man - this stuff isn't really hurting anyone or ruining your life. Has your taxi business been driven to the wall by competition from several female only firms in your neighbourhood?




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