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longwayhome -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 8:10:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen longwayhome quote: Violence against males is precisely taken seriously but, and here's the clincher, it is overwhelmingly carried out by men. We all know that, in that thread and this thread, no one ever denied that. You seem to keep claiming out of thin air that I'm denying this. You're having an imaginary argument with me dude. You don't seem to be comprehending my argument. The fact of the matter is not who perpetrates the violence, the fact of the matter in my argument is that men are no safer than women in the big bad world. I forgot who made the excuse about the rate women are victims for any violent crime to justify what's happening. Anyway, my argument against that is men are no more safe than women as men are more likely victims of violent crime compared to women. Who perpetrates that violence doesn't change that fact. Everyone accepts that there is lots of violence against men and nobody thinks it's okay. I just don't get your beef with women who want to make their lives safer if they have a way of doing it. Well actually I do get it - you just have an enormous problem with the thought that women might be having a better crack at the whip than you. There are some family law issues where men do have a disadvantage in some jurisdictions. Beyond that, your full frontal assault on anything you see as women getting something better, just makes you come across like a spoiled child.

respectmen -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 8:12:33 PM)
Why is women's fear justified but not men's fear? Why are women entitled to feel fear of men, for whatever reason, but men aren't entitled to feel fear of women, for whatever reason? Why do women's feelings matter while men's feelings don't matter? If men's feelings matter just as much as women's, that means a man would be placed in the same standard as a woman if he happened to feel fear of women due to having a false sexual assault claim thrown at him. Therefore, wanted men only services in this example. Where is the male privilege in this? Oh that's right, women are privileged.

longwayhome -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 8:13:46 PM)
I'm sure that any woman who has been raped or assaulted finds it very comforting that a man is more likely to be attacked on a night out than them. Is that what you are suggesting, rm? I suspect not.

longwayhome -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 8:16:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen Why is women's fear justified but not men's fear? Why are women entitled to feel fear of men, for whatever reason, but men aren't entitled to feel fear of women, for whatever reason? Why do women's feelings matter while men's feelings don't matter? If men's feelings matter just as much as women's, that means a man would be placed in the same standard as a woman if he happened to feel fear of women due to having a false sexual assault claim thrown at him. Therefore, wanted men only services in this example. Where is the male privilege in this? Oh that's right, women are privileged. Just where do you get this shit, man? You are actually attacking women for their fear of being attacked. No-one is denying that a man out at night, for example, might want to take measures to avoid being attacked as well. Men got it just as bad is not an appropriate response to the problem.

respectmen -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 8:18:32 PM)
quote: I just don't get your beef with women who want to make their lives safer if they have a way of doing it. So would the same standard apply for people who think this way against blacks and muslims because they believe these types are more likely to commit a violent crime? They just want to make their lives safer if they have a way of doing it. What's wrong with that? No racism, no bigotry, right? quote: your full frontal assault on anything you see as women getting something better, just makes you come across like a spoiled child. Isn't that what feminism is all about except going in the opposite direction? Wahhhh men have it better than women. So they come across as spoilt children too? Oh wait, there's a female favouring double standard, right? lol

Lucylastic -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 8:25:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen Why is women's fear justified but not men's fear? Why are women entitled to feel fear of men, for whatever reason, but men aren't entitled to feel fear of women, for whatever reason? Why do women's feelings matter while men's feelings don't matter? If men's feelings matter just as much as women's, that means a man would be placed in the same standard as a woman if he happened to feel fear of women due to having a false sexual assault claim thrown at him. Therefore, wanted men only services in this example. Where is the male privilege in this? Oh that's right, women are privileged. I didnt once mention women in my post, I did not say that mens fears arent justified....always cherry picking arent you

longwayhome -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 8:32:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen quote: I just don't get your beef with women who want to make their lives safer if they have a way of doing it. So would the same standard apply for people who think this way against blacks and muslims because they believe these types are more likely to commit a violent crime? They just want to make their lives safer if they have a way of doing it. What's wrong with that? No racism, no bigotry, right? quote: your full frontal assault on anything you see as women getting something better, just makes you come across like a spoiled child. Isn't that what feminism is all about except going in the opposite direction? Wahhhh men have it better than women. So they come across as spoilt children too? Oh wait, there's a female favouring double standard, right? lol Stop creating a feminist bogeyman. The feminist movement does not run your life, or your neighbourhood, or your country, despite your best attempts at suggesting there is a feminazi conspiracy. Men are better paid, hold almost all the top jobs and make up the vast majority of the politicians in legislatures. That is not to say that there are some men who are disadvantaged with poor life chances, and women, and children. The difference is that women don't even have the same access to the reigns of power that men do. The people running your country and international business are the same people who make your laws and influence your chances in life. They are overwhelmingly men, even in developed countries, where there has been feminist activism for years. Feminists are not your enemy. If you want to have an enemy it is the network of power and influence that is almost exclusively male. I wouldn't normally make a big issue of the fact that the oligarchy is mainly made up of men (because I'm not a radical feminist so it's not my first port of call) but you seem to think you live under a non-existent female yoke. Anyway, this is getting really old now.

respectmen -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 8:49:40 PM)
longwayhome What in the flying fuck does other problems that women face have to do with any example of sexism against men? You have to stop and realise that its very sexist within it's self to try and trivialize an example of sexism against men because you point at an example that women face sexism too. What people like you are basically implying is that we shouldn't care about sexism against men because women face sexism too. Therefore, women are more important than men and we should consider them first. quote: Men are better paid, hold almost all the top jobs and make up the vast majority of the politicians in legislatures. That is not to say that there are some men who are disadvantages with poor life chances, and women, and children. The difference is that women don't even have the same access to the reigns of power that men do. That's because men are more likely to choose career over family. If you pull the feminist wool away from your eyes, there has been intensive study that indicates the life choices women and men make. That said, guess who is likely to be at the very bottom? MEN! Who is the majority of homeless? No outcry there, hey lets only focus on the privileged men in the world which is less than 1 percent of the male population. quote: The people running your country and international business are the same people who make your laws and influence your chances in life. They are overwhelmingly men, even in developed countries, where there has been feminist activism for years. Just because they are men, individual men, that means all men should be blamed for what they do? If Hillary became President, whatever wrong she does, can I blame women for it? What people like you need to understand is that not all men are the same as well as not all women are the same. Some women are on the left, other women are on the right. Some men are on the left, other men are on the right. Some women love feminism, other women hate feminism. Some men love feminism, other men hate feminism. To keep pointing out people's genders and basing blame on that instead of their individuality is just being purely sexist. quote: Feminists are not your enemy. Nooo of course not, they are just the biggest offenders of discrimination against men.

vincentML -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 9:00:33 PM)
quote: So just because women have faced oppression, that means it should all just get given a free pass to be sexist against men? Women can be sexist all they want and men are supposed to shut up because there are examples of sexism against women? You continue to miss the point, Nick. By the Acts mentioned, women are not given a free pass to be sexist. Nor do the Acts say men should shut up. Women are given a facility for a catch up on historical inequality. Employers are admonished for paying women less than comparable wages, and women should be free of sexual harassment/violence which historically and globally have victimized them far more then men have been victimized. quote: I'm sure there are far bigger issues that are male issues than the issues mentioned above. Yes, there may be but they have not been sorted by you because you have repeatedly presented trivia. quote: Not to mention, female issues women complain about in the western world are trivial compared to what women face in the middle east and africa. Oh, absolutely, women in the West have been living their own histories. However, they have expressed concerns for women in agricultural, tribal, religiously rigorous, culturally conservative, and feudal societies. So, for example: The United Nations has organized four world conferences on women. These took place in Mexico City in 1975, Copenhagen in 1980, Nairobi in 1985 and Beijing in 1995. The last was followed by a series of five-year reviews. The 1995 Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing marked a significant turning point for the global agenda for gender equality. The Beijing Declaration and the Platform for Action, adopted unanimously by 189 countries, is an agenda for women’s empowerment and considered the key global policy document on gender equality. It sets strategic objectives and actions for the advancement of women and the achievement of gender equality in 12 critical areas of concern: Women and poverty Education and training of women Women and health Violence against women Women and armed conflict Women and the economy Women in power and decision-making Institutional mechanism for the advancement of women Human rights of women Women and the media Women and the environment The girl-child The Beijing conference built on political agreements reached at the three previous global conferences on women, and consolidated five decades of legal advances aimed at securing the equality of women with men in law and in practice. More than 17,000 participants attended, including 6,000 government delegates at the negotiations, along with more than 4,000 accredited NGO representatives, a host of international civil servants and around 4,000 media representatives. A parallel NGO Forum held in Huairou near Beijing also drew some 30,000 participants. The scope of the historical problem for women is demonstrated to be far greater than any of the male complaints and "feminist" issues you have offered, Nick. That may be why your stuff is seen as shallow.

dcnovice -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 9:27:15 PM)
quote: Gotta larf I know a lot of folks do "larf" at your threads, but they always strike me as terribly sad. So much time and energy devoted to nothing more than self-pity.

respectmen -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/16/2016 10:01:09 PM)
vincentML Again, as I asked longwayhome, what does examples of sexism against women have to do with an example of sexism against men? You seem to be hand waving sexism against men because sexism against women happens too. How exactly does sexism against women take away the reality of sexism against men? Why should sexism against men be trivialised because sexism against women exist? Why is it that you place this standard because women have bigger problems compared to men but you don't place the same standard on western women compared to women in the middle east and africa. Why aren't you telling the same to feminists as for acting the same way towards them as you do to me?

NookieNotes -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/17/2016 5:30:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen Diffident quote: Violence towards and harassment of women by men is at such an unacceptably high level in our society that it is perfectly understandable for a woman to worry about the possibility of what might happen when in a vulnerable situation with a man who she doesn't know. Who said? Men hating feminists? The problem is that there is so much exaggeration and fucking bullshit when it comes to talking about the rates of women being victims of anything. If 4 women got raped, feminists and leftists will say 40 women got raped. Cited facts, from the past year: http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/06/us/domestic-intimate-partner-violence-fast-facts/ United States: Each minute - Twenty people are victims of intimate partner violence, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Each day - Three or more women are murdered by their boyfriends or husbands on average, according to the American Psychology Association. Each month - The National Domestic Violence Hotline receives an average of 23,500 calls. Each year - Over 10 million women and men are victims of intimate partner violence, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

vincentML -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/17/2016 5:47:58 AM)
quote: Why is it that you place this standard because women have bigger problems compared to men but you don't place the same standard on western women compared to women in the middle east and africa. Why aren't you telling the same to feminists as for acting the same way towards them as you do to me? The answers to your questions are pretty obvious, Nick. Western women have historically had to dig out from their own pile of social shit before they could turn their attention to what is happening elsewhere. The UN conferences show me that the issue is being addressed in an on-going fashion. So, what are the major traumas that men face unfairly and systematically as a result of sexist discrimination?

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/17/2016 6:30:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen ...what does examples of sexism against women have to do with an example of sexism against men? You have answered your own question. Examples of sexism against women.... plural. An example of sexism against men... singular. Nobody is saying men don't suffer from sexism. But... women suffer 100x more sexism than men and usually 100x serious than those of men. It's time you realised this. quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen You seem to be hand waving sexism against men because sexism against women happens too. A perfectly valid argument - but you don't see it. See #1 above. quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen How exactly does sexism against women take away the reality of sexism against men? Why should sexism against men be trivialised because sexism against women exist? Because of the sheer number and seriousness of sexism against women far outnumber those of men. Nobody has ever claimed that sexism against men doesn't exist. That fact that your fixation on the very few against men compared to the hundreds (and maybe even thousands) against women just show how pathetic you are. When both sexes have anywhere near an equal number of complaints, your arguments might be valid. But until then, your constant whinging and whining is non sequitur and fallacious, not to mention tedious.

respectmen -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/17/2016 12:33:39 PM)
vincentML quote: The answers to your questions are pretty obvious, Nick. Western women have historically had to dig out from their own pile of social shit before they could turn their attention to what is happening elsewhere. The UN conferences show me that the issue is being addressed in an on-going fashion. So what logical explanation do you exactly have to use this as a justification for hand waving any example of sexism against men? Does this excuse make men unworthy, less than human, somehow? How exactly of what you are saying does this change the status of men from human to less than human? quote: So, what are the major traumas that men face unfairly and systematically as a result of sexist discrimination? The empathy gap Harsher treatment in the justice system compared to women Or here is a great example on how males are treated just for having a penis. Yes, that's it, just for having a penis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeVKCj9_-Xc fatdwarf quote: But... women suffer 100x more sexism than men and usually 100x serious than those of men. What rights do men have that women don't in the western world again? Gotta larf Last time I checked, there is this thing called the empathy gap. Every single problem, women are considered more than men. That type of sexism happens 100x more than any other type of sexism.

vincentML -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/17/2016 1:01:34 PM)
quote: So what logical explanation do you exactly have to use this as a justification for hand waving any example of sexism against men? Does this excuse make men unworthy, less than human, somehow? How exactly of what you are saying does this change the status of men from human to less than human? I never said a word about hand waving away anything. You are attributing your own complaints to me. If you wish to continue a conversation you will need to do it without trolling. Furthermore, I said nothing about intrinsic value or worth. Again, your own projections. I clearly wrote from an historical perspective. quote: Harsher treatment in the justice system compared to women Nothing to do with an empathy gap, if at all true, and I do not concede it to be so. Men have committed a greater quantity of the most brutal crimes, so it is on you to support your claim of a (snicker) empathy gap. quote: What rights do men have that women don't in the western world again? Gotta larf First you chide feminists for not caring about international women, but now that it suits you, you limit the discourse to Western nations. [8\|] quote: Last time I checked, there is this thing called the empathy gap. Have you checked under your bed for the EG monster? [:D] I don't do videos. Don't bother.

Awareness -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/18/2016 6:05:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou OH!! the other sock replies!! This is starting to confirm Many of our suspicions that u and rm are the same sock. And you're successfully confirming Many of "our" suspicions that you're actually a retarded chimpanzee hammering away at the keyboard. Tell me, did you finish grade school?

Awareness -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/18/2016 6:06:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: smartsub10 quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness RM, I don't understand how this is possible, because legions of whiny feminists continually assure us that they are second class citizens. Also, female safe spaces are important, whereas male safe spaces are sexist. Today's lesson in "feminist doublethink" brought to you by the committee for Andrea Dworkin. Remember, when your own hatred of men is fading, just read Dworkin. Interesting alternate reality you live in. Interesting helmet of ignorance you're wearing. If you're too stupid to understand the conversation, have the good grace to shut the fuck up.

Awareness -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/18/2016 6:12:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Diffident "The insecurities men feel during grooming procedures." What The Fuck? Is this supposed to be a common male thing in the macho man, alpha male world? Does anyone actually know a single man who feels insecure when going to the hairdressers? No, it's a PARODY of the SJW-speak used all the time to justify privileges for women. The real truth behind the barbershop thing is simpler: Women, we don't want you there. Part of the problem is that women feel entitled to invade any male space and cry "discrimination". It's not discrimination, it's that your presence is unwelcome. Whenever women invade a male space, they immediately try to police the behaviour of the men in that space. And men, just want you to leave us the fuck alone. Men want spaces to themselves, whether that be a barbershop, a sports club or a gentleman's club. We want a space to get together and talk however the fuck we like without your whiny little presence. Part of the problem with feminist women is that they are monumental fucking hypocrites. And most of them are just basically stupid. To be a feminist is to cherry-pick reality to support your whiny little victim-hood conspiracy theory. No intelligent woman could be so blind. So that's what's really going on here - men want spaces without you and if that means talking a bunch of bullshit about "male grooming procedures" so we can employ your own ludicrous tactics against you, we'll do that. But make no mistake, there are times when we just don't want you around. And you feminist bitches, we never want around. You're too fucked up to be good company anyway.

Awareness -> RE: Female favouritism and privilege prevails (12/18/2016 6:14:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Yeah its not like anyone ever says that "feminist" men are weak, or submissive men are pathetic. [8\|] People say that all of the time. Many of them are women.

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