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RE: Power already shifts to China - 12/19/2016 11:30:22 AM   
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/03/politics/trump-duterte-phone-call/index.html

And here's an article that shows why he's their version of Donald Trump:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/06/asia/duterte-drug-dealers-lethal-force-vigilantism/index.html

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A YouTube video appeared during the campaign showing Duterte joking about the 1989 rape and murder of an Australian missionary that took place in Davao City.

"I was angry she was raped, yes that was one thing. But she was so beautiful, I think the mayor should have been first. What a waste," he said, according to a CNN Philippines translation of the comments.


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RE: Power already shifts to China - 12/19/2016 11:33:00 AM   
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RE: Power already shifts to China - 12/19/2016 11:33:02 AM   
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RE: Power already shifts to China - 12/19/2016 12:06:42 PM   
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'Bye bye America': Duterte threatens US troops pact

Philippines' leader threatens to terminate a deal that allows American troops into country after US scraps aid package.

He said the Philippines can do without US aid, called Americans "sons of bitches" and "hypocrites," while praising China for offering what he said was huge financial assistance.

A US government aid agency said this week that its board deferred a vote on a renewal of the development assistance package for the Philippines "subject to a further review of concerns around rule of law and civil liberties".

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/12/bye-america-duterte-threatens-pact-aid-161217040226819.html



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. . . for those who think Democracy, due process, American values and the Constitution should be trashed.


Amazing. (Not really, this is normal)

Yesterday, Trump was a monster for driving Duterte to China, though he had nothing to do with it

Today Trump is a monster for not driving Duterte to China.

CNN (which has been in the alt left bag for years, and is totally untrustworthy regarding its reporting on Trump) claims to have gotten its facts from Duterte, and didn't get a comment from Trump

The CNN link is to another alt left hit piece, period. Where is the balance, why not get a comment from the Trump administration? Tying President Trump to anything Duterte is desperate partisan crockery. It would be like tying Obama to mass murders under the Castro brothers, human rights violations attributed to the Iranian Mullahs or anyone else Obama has talked with

Totally normal every day alt left insanity and propaganda

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RE: Power already shifts to China - 12/19/2016 12:32:45 PM   
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The CNN link is to another alt left hit piece, period. Where is the balance, why not get a comment from the Trump administration? Tying President Trump to anything Duterte is desperate partisan crockery.


Okay, well what do you think is wrong with it?

Do you think Trump didn't invite him to New York? Did Trump not wish him success? Was Duterte's insistence that Trump said he was doing it 'the right way' a lie? Was Duterte lying or was the whole article a complete fabrication and CNN never actually spoke with Duterte at all?

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It would be like tying Obama to mass murders under the Castro brothers, human rights violations attributed to the Iranian Mullahs or anyone else Obama has talked with


I'm not tying Trump to any murders and neither is the article... but he does seem pretty supportive of them.
The content of the conversation matters.

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Totally normal every day alt left insanity and propaganda


I'm pretty sure that CNN is mainstream.

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RE: Power already shifts to China - 12/19/2016 6:39:08 PM   
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http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/26/asia/danica-may-garcia-philippines-drugs/index.html

Maybe it's just me, but I'm pretty sure killing children, or anyone else for that matter, is worse than using drugs.

This is again Western media just trying to push their own agenda. You gotta look at the whole thing in context. You know all the drug dealers are huge underworld gangs. Many have bribed politicians in the government to watch their back too. Durterte sent out a message to all these people to surrender themselves. They have put up a resistance. When their forces go out to grab these guys, gun fights happens, they put up a very strong resistance to be arrested.
I bet many little kids were killed in Iraq war too, because terrorists uses kids as human shield.

Casualties is gonna happen, IF they don't surrender peacefully. So I blame the kids death on them not facing the music to their crimes.

These underworld drug dealers have put a 10million USD bounty on durterte head too ya know. They are rich and powerful. Don't think this is not war.

Drugs has killed way more kids than Durtete ever is gonna kill in cross fire in this war too! When he weeds out drugs. Many children's lives will be saved.

Here is some voice of reason saying things in context: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/16/opinions/george-christensen-duterte-australia/index.html

The scourge of drugs -- particularly crystal methamphetamine, known in the country as shabu -- has taken its toll on families and relationships and on communities and barangays (small neighborhood-based local governments) right around the nation.
It's a problem that has led to theft, violence and death over many years. And it's a problem that has helped keep so many Filipinos further entrenched in a poverty so deep it is hard for Westerners to imagine.

But the Philippines has the further problem of entrenched systemic corruption which has resulted in government and law enforcement officials all over the country facilitating and profiteering off the very drug trade which is destroying their countrymen and women.
In fact, government officials are so enmeshed in the drug trade that they have a name for it: narco-politics.

Barangay chairmen were instructed to work with local police in providing names of suspected drug producers, traffickers and dealers.
Those suspects on these lists were asked to turn themselves in to police for questioning. Those who didn't had the police come to them.
In many instances, they put up armed resistance, resulting in their death, which is no more or less what would happen in a country like Australia or the United States.


If you speak to Filipinos, you don't know how sick they are of the corrupted government and drugs destroying their families. Their government corruption is sooo bad, that someone running for mayor can go around on an open top vehicle to throw money at people in the air, promising them monetary reward if they voted for him. And such things won't even get prosecuted.

Come Durtete who is hardcore and straight, no nonsense. Harsh ways on dealing with things, but his vision of a country to kill all corrupted politicians and people responsible for the spread of drugs, is what Filipinos voted for and want. Noting that this was a landslide victory. He promised to kill, literally before elections, he promised to kill them all. And he is gonna do it. This was what their voters want. Death penalty for all drug pushers.

I think anybody who is selling poison that could kill others loses their own right to their own lives. I'm all for death penalty for drug pushers.


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RE: Power already shifts to China - 12/19/2016 7:06:25 PM   
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Status: online 		Thank you Greta. Trump listened, and learned. Obama lectured, out of ignorance? Sounds like.

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RE: Power already shifts to China - 12/19/2016 7:17:50 PM   
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"I was angry she was raped, yes that was one thing. But she was so beautiful, I think the mayor should have been first. What a waste," he said, according to a CNN Philippines translation of the comments.


There is no doubt Durterte is a cave man macho-type of male who is probably a MCP or a Misogynist.
I mean new age metrosexuals males wouldn't have the stomach to be so harsh, mostly anyway.
Can you imagine Obama doing this? No right?

His views on women does not affect the promise he made to kill all drug pushers and corrupted politicians. So it is irrelevant on what promises his citizens want him to fulfill when they voted for him.

Different countries with different problems takes different solutions.

My own government went on a mass arresting spree, not so different from Turkey's recent crack down, arresting their revolting army and people involve. And none were given trial and just immediately charged as guilty.

Singapore was as bad as Philippines during that time, for all the same reasons, drugs, gangs, corrupted police force not protecting the people but getting bribed by gangs to turn a blind eye to crime.

In such situations, the leader has to be old testament harsh. Our leader was. It cleaned up Singapore.

We are now one of the least corrupt country in the world, and one of the countries with lowest poverty rate.

This may not work for UK or US, mainly because, you are dealing with people with different cultures who will respond to different methods.

But Asia is still a very harsh culture. They respond to harshness. It's what they understand. They are motivated by fear. Even the typical Singaporean now, fears alot of things, like if they did this and that, they would be arrested lol. It keeps them from breaking laws. To me, our government is more fair and humane now because they can be now, people are more educated and sensible. And they are very fair.

Our stances to drugs is so strong that IF a Singaporean dares takes drugs overseas, they will be prosecuted too if they come home.

Now I am just hoping our government will have the balls to ban cigarette too! Fucking second hand smoking kills innocent bystanders. What they have done so far is make it illegal to smoke anywhere in public except within the confines of your own home. And it's so strongly enforced by plain clothes officers. Issue a fine of 300bux on the spot.

I just notice our bus stops no longer have smokers as they are notorious for plain clothes officers.


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RE: Power already shifts to China - 12/20/2016 5:57:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		China is currently our largest goods trading partner with $598 billion in total (two way) goods trade during 2015. Goods exports totaled $116 billion; goods imports totaled $482 billion. The U.S. goods trade deficit with China was $366 billion in 2015.

China's exports to the US amounted to 21.8% of its overall imports.

Top 10 US imports from China:

1. Electronic equipment: $135.9 billion
2. Machinery: $106.9 billion
3. Furniture, lighting, signs: $30.9 billion
4. Toys, games: $25.7 billion
5. Footwear: $18 billion
6. Knit or crochet clothing: $16.9 billion
7. Plastics: $15.5 billion
8. Clothing (not knit or crochet): $15.3 billion
9. Vehicles: $13.8 billion
10. Medical, technical equipment: $11.4 billion

US exports of goods and services to China have grown faster than exports to any other major US trading partner over the past decade.

America's Top 10 exports to China:

1. Aircraft, spacecraft: $15.4 billion
2. Electronic equipment: $12.8 billion
3. Machinery: $12.3 billion
4. Oil seed: $11.1 billion
5. Vehicles: $10.9 billion
6. Medical, technical equipment: $7.9 billion
7. Plastics: $4.9 billion
8. Woodpulp: $3.4 billion
9. Organic chemicals: $2.5 billion
10. Cereals: $2.4 billion

And the list is actually long -- these are the top 10 industries that will be hurt, prices rising, consumers cutting back, workers laid off, once Trump's trade war starts. Meanwhile, China will start trading more with the EU instead.

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RE: Power already shifts to China - 12/20/2016 6:53:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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you should maybe look back at your own posts and check that.


I never said i don't see Russia as a problem. I do believe we have to work with the cards we have to keep China in check. Russia is that card for us right now. I've been saying that since the beginning.


Russia is not that "card" you have. It is rather the other way round. Goldilocks is the "card" Putin has ...

Amen.


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RE: Power already shifts to China - 12/20/2016 8:15:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Donald Trump's abandonment of TPP free trade deal may hand economic power to China

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/11/22/free-trade-nations-look-china-leadership-trump-abandons-tpp/

Trump and China on collision course

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/05/politics/donald-trump-china-taiwan-clash/

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RE: Power already shifts to China - 12/20/2016 9:10:52 AM   
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2015/04/30/what-do-you-have-to-do-to-become-the-world-power/#dc61da042e60

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RE: Power already shifts to China - 12/20/2016 11:52:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
The CNN link is to another alt left hit piece, period. Where is the balance, why not get a comment from the Trump administration? Tying President Trump to anything Duterte is desperate partisan crockery.


Okay, well what do you think is wrong with it?

Do you think Trump didn't invite him to New York? Did Trump not wish him success? Was Duterte's insistence that Trump said he was doing it 'the right way' a lie? Was Duterte lying or was the whole article a complete fabrication and CNN never actually spoke with Duterte at all?

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
It would be like tying Obama to mass murders under the Castro brothers, human rights violations attributed to the Iranian Mullahs or anyone else Obama has talked with


I'm not tying Trump to any murders and neither is the article... but he does seem pretty supportive of them.
The content of the conversation matters.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
Totally normal every day alt left insanity and propaganda


I'm pretty sure that CNN is mainstream.

Yeah, "Nuh-uh" isn't much of a counter-argument.

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RE: Power already shifts to China - 12/20/2016 12:08:08 PM   
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Donald Trump's abandonment of TPP free trade deal may hand economic power to China

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/11/22/free-trade-nations-look-china-leadership-trump-abandons-tpp/

How come the news in the west about TPP is so different from our Asian news about TPP. In Asia, all the Asian countries are freaking out about US not being in it, that many also now wants to pull out of TPP, threatening TPP to never happen IF US does not participate.

PS: I made that comment above without reading the article, just the headlines, after reading the article, I realise it says they are abandoning TPP for a China version of TPP. Oh that makes sense now!

Personally...., good luck on the China one. China is a threat not only to US, but to all other Asian countries as well in manufacturing, as long as they are keeping their currency low. That's the reason why TPP was excluding China in the first place!

The reason is, many Asian countries have not fix their own corruption and mess in their own countries. And China got it all put together and make it more attractive for companies to manufacture there.

And then you have Japan, a put together country but which is too expensive to compete.

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RE: Power already shifts to China - 12/20/2016 12:20:22 PM   
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Wait 'til they take control of the South China Sea.

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RE: Power already shifts to China - 12/20/2016 3:55:12 PM   
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Well, they're going to be able to run rampant now.

Wait 'til they take control of the South China Sea.


So glad people are finally starting to grasp this. I have thought this would happen for 4 years now. I really think we will end up in WWiii with China ... and it was inevitable. Our best hope is that Russia prefers a weaker China and will help us out. It seems to me that, in the long run, that would be in their best interest. Neither Putin nor Trump is each other's 'bitch' as emotional people seem to like to say. But just as with WWII, they certainly need each other with this one.

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RE: Power already shifts to China - 12/20/2016 6:58:59 PM   
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That's why you know what everyone else is so slow to realize.

It's a gift, I guess.


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RE: Power already shifts to China - 12/20/2016 7:12:27 PM   
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Well, not everyone is the brilliant foreign policy expert you are, and we don't get those daily briefings you get.

That's why you know what everyone else is so slow to realize.

It's a gift, I guess.




It is a gift... i am guessing too. I told a couple of people 4 years ago what i 'saw'. One said 'Anything is possible' the other said i was nuts. He isn't saying that anymore. I know it sounds crazy... i would think that too if i didn't actually experience it myself.


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RE: Power already shifts to China - 12/21/2016 6:37:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		In ‘failure of U.S. democracy,’ China’s strongmen see a chance to get stronger

China is thrilled with Trump and the 'failure of U.S. democracy'

As Trump polarizes American politics and the global tides of protectionism rise, China and other authoritarian regimes are looking on with schadenfreude – and the narrative of a new Cold War is taking hold.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/in-failure-of-us-democracy-chinas-strongmen-see-a-chance-to-get-stronger/article32562518/

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RE: Power already shifts to China - 12/21/2016 7:27:54 AM   
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http://theduran.com/russia-china-veto-un-resolution-defeat-us-attempt-save-jihadis-aleppo/

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