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MrRodgers -> Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/21/2016 7:26:31 AM)

Some say overreach, some say it's about time. I ask, if these areas were so important, why haven't they been drilled or law suits to get them drilled ? Depending on your source 120-130 million acres now off limits. Will Trump defy history ?

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R's in congress say this can't be permanent and congress will end this. Others say law suits will be flying because the pres. has the authority in law.

The price of oil has fallen, OPEC even agreed to cut back but whether they stick by it, is another thing. Seems this will serve to raise the price, profits and land based drilling.

What say you ?



Musicmystery -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/21/2016 8:17:45 AM)

The show begins.




Lucylastic -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/21/2016 8:55:02 AM)

I just read this

FAQs on Actions being taken under the Canada-US Joint Arctic Statement
http://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/eng/1482262705012/1482262722874

From Justin Trudeau
Over the past year, Canada and the US have engaged a range of partners, including Indigenous peoples and Northern communities, working toward new, responsible, science-based leadership in the Arctic. Yesterday, President Obama and I announced new actions to ensure a strong, sustainable and viable Arctic economy and ecosystem, including the designation of all Arctic Canadian water as indefinitely off-limits to new offshore oil and gas licensing.

It may give a little more info than can be found easily in the news?
What actually happens, how it affects the climate the ecology, the pipelines, the first nations and everything else going on, I dont know....yet.
If trump gets around to nafta, im guessing it will be part of it...if he cannot destroy it from the outset, it will have to be a feature.



Musicmystery -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/21/2016 9:59:48 AM)

Obama is still the president, and with higher approval ratings than Trump by 10 points.

Until Jan. 20, he'll do what we elected him to do, until term limits time him out.



BoscoX -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/21/2016 10:02:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Obama is still the president, and with higher approval ratings than Trump by 10 points.



And all of the recent polling makes it settled science that Hillary is inevitable



MrRodgers -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/21/2016 5:07:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Obama is still the president, and with higher approval ratings than Trump by 10 points.



And all of the recent polling makes it settled science that Hillary is inevitable

Hardly on point. The fact of the matter is, neither the counties involved or the oil market...need those areas for offshore drilling.



Curmudgeonly1 -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/21/2016 5:17:44 PM)

In first world countries after an election the outgoing gummint adopts the role of 'caretaker' and refrains from doing anything that might be a bit contentious without full consultation with the incoming gummint.

But that's in first world countries.

With proper democracies.

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dcnovice -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/21/2016 5:31:12 PM)

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In first world countries after an election the outgoing gummint adopts the role of 'caretaker' and refrains from doing anything that might be a bit contentious without full consultation with the incoming gummint.

Interesting. What's your source on that?

U.S. transition tensions go as far back as Marbury v. Madison.



Curmudgeonly1 -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/21/2016 6:24:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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In first world countries after an election the outgoing gummint adopts the role of 'caretaker' and refrains from doing anything that might be a bit contentious without full consultation with the incoming gummint.

Interesting. What's your source on that?

U.S. transition tensions go as far back as Marbury v. Madison.

A lifetime of observation of countries that follow a democratic tradition compared to a bunch of third world countries that don't.

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Musicmystery -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/21/2016 6:40:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Obama is still the president, and with higher approval ratings than Trump by 10 points.



And all of the recent polling makes it settled science that Hillary is inevitable

Hardly on point. The fact of the matter is, neither the counties involved or the oil market...need those areas for offshore drilling.

You started which "some say over-reach" -- it's exactly on point.



Nnanji -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/21/2016 7:04:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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In first world countries after an election the outgoing gummint adopts the role of 'caretaker' and refrains from doing anything that might be a bit contentious without full consultation with the incoming gummint.

Interesting. What's your source on that?

U.S. transition tensions go as far back as Marbury v. Madison.

A lifetime of observation of countries that follow a democratic tradition compared to a bunch of third world countries that don't.

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Well good! That's special. You wanna know why? Because your lifetime of observations will make it easy for you to google the citations you can post.

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BamaD -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/21/2016 7:16:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1

In first world countries after an election the outgoing gummint adopts the role of 'caretaker' and refrains from doing anything that might be a bit contentious without full consultation with the incoming gummint.

But that's in first world countries.

With proper democracies.

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The only president I can remember tying to set an agenda for his successor is Bill Clinton and he just told Bush what he wanted Bush to do, he didn't sign a bunch of last minute EOs .



MrRodgers -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/21/2016 7:18:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1

In first world countries after an election the outgoing gummint adopts the role of 'caretaker' and refrains from doing anything that might be a bit contentious without full consultation with the incoming gummint.

But that's in first world countries.

With proper democracies.

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Does that also apply to congress ? They are working on 6 bills during their lame duck session. Does the lameduck pres. lose his signing or veto power ? Plus I agree with Lucy, I see no history of democratic transitions let alone any comparative analysis...such as you describe.

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MrRodgers -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/21/2016 7:21:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Obama is still the president, and with higher approval ratings than Trump by 10 points.



And all of the recent polling makes it settled science that Hillary is inevitable

Hardly on point. The fact of the matter is, neither the counties involved or the oil market...need those areas for offshore drilling.

You started which "some say over-reach" -- it's exactly on point.

Not the reference to Hillary. She is now a footnote in history.



Curmudgeonly1 -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/21/2016 7:39:09 PM)

For the education of USians, who seem to be singularly lacking any knowledge of real democracy at work..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caretaker_government

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dcnovice -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/21/2016 7:53:22 PM)

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Then there's North Carolina, that model of orderly transition and respect for election results. [8|]

This month the Republican-controlled statehouse passed two pieces of legislation that stripped duties from the governor so that the power of his successor, Democratic Attorney General Roy Cooper, would be curtailed.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/20/politics/north-carolina-power-grab/



MrRodgers -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/21/2016 8:10:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1

For the education of USians, who seem to be singularly lacking any knowledge of real democracy at work..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caretaker_government

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'.....how democracy works ?' That's a goods one but...not even a nice try.

Your link refers to a parliamentary system and something called the Westminster system. Also, Wiki refers to a so-called 'caretaker' govt. only in reference to coalition governments which temporarily forms while negotiations to form a new coalition take place.

No mention of their new leader being a minority pres. being elected via what's called the 'electoral college' system. Maybe that's because your link is a hail Mary at trying to refute Obama's legitimate power as still POUS.

Furthermore, issuing policy under the law is not an EO. EO's can be rescinded and according to this law, once in court where the profiteers will surely go, it then becomes subject to the interpretation of the court, something EO's are not, unless of course one can get a right wing, conservative, activist court [sic]...to say so.



Curmudgeonly1 -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/22/2016 2:11:31 AM)

Yeah, you got it.

El Presidente ruling by royal edict. It's like some tinpot African banana republic.

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WhoreMods -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/22/2016 4:54:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1

In first world countries after an election the outgoing gummint adopts the role of 'caretaker' and refrains from doing anything that might be a bit contentious without full consultation with the incoming gummint.

But that's in first world countries.

With proper democracies.

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In first world countries with proper democracies the outgoing government has probably got stuff done during its time in office, rather than having had every reform it has attempted blocked, and having the other two branches of government shut down rather than passing a budget that would fund stuff they don't approve of.



servantforuse -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/22/2016 5:06:46 AM)

Lets leave that decision to the companies drilling and selling the oil. Not Obama.



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