Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic Page: [1] 2 3   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic - 12/21/2016 7:26:31 AM   
MrRodgers


Posts: 10542
Joined: 7/30/2005
Status: offline 		Some say overreach, some say it's about time. I ask, if these areas were so important, why haven't they been drilled or law suits to get them drilled ? Depending on your source 120-130 million acres now off limits. Will Trump defy history ?

HERE

R's in congress say this can't be permanent and congress will end this. Others say law suits will be flying because the pres. has the authority in law.

The price of oil has fallen, OPEC even agreed to cut back but whether they stick by it, is another thing. Seems this will serve to raise the price, profits and land based drilling.

What say you ?

_____________________________

You can be a murderous tyrant and the world will remember you fondly but fuck one horse and you will be a horse fucker for all eternity. Catherine the Great

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite.
J K Galbraith
Profile   Post #: 1
RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic - 12/21/2016 8:17:45 AM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline 		The show begins.


(in reply to MrRodgers)
Profile   Post #: 2
RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic - 12/21/2016 8:55:02 AM   
Lucylastic


Posts: 40310
Status: offline 		I just read this

FAQs on Actions being taken under the Canada-US Joint Arctic Statement
http://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/eng/1482262705012/1482262722874

From Justin Trudeau
Over the past year, Canada and the US have engaged a range of partners, including Indigenous peoples and Northern communities, working toward new, responsible, science-based leadership in the Arctic. Yesterday, President Obama and I announced new actions to ensure a strong, sustainable and viable Arctic economy and ecosystem, including the designation of all Arctic Canadian water as indefinitely off-limits to new offshore oil and gas licensing.

It may give a little more info than can be found easily in the news?
What actually happens, how it affects the climate the ecology, the pipelines, the first nations and everything else going on, I dont know....yet.
If trump gets around to nafta, im guessing it will be part of it...if he cannot destroy it from the outset, it will have to be a feature.


_____________________________

(•_•)
<) )╯SUCH
/ \

\(•_•)
( (> A NASTY
/ \

(•_•)
<) )> WOMAN
/ \

Duchess Of Dissent
Dont Hate Love

(in reply to Musicmystery)
Profile   Post #: 3
RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic - 12/21/2016 9:59:48 AM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline 		Obama is still the president, and with higher approval ratings than Trump by 10 points.

Until Jan. 20, he'll do what we elected him to do, until term limits time him out.

(in reply to Lucylastic)
Profile   Post #: 4
RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic - 12/21/2016 10:02:29 AM   
BoscoX


Posts: 11346
Joined: 12/10/2016
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Obama is still the president, and with higher approval ratings than Trump by 10 points.



And all of the recent polling makes it settled science that Hillary is inevitable

(in reply to Musicmystery)
Profile   Post #: 5
RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic - 12/21/2016 5:07:07 PM   
MrRodgers


Posts: 10542
Joined: 7/30/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Obama is still the president, and with higher approval ratings than Trump by 10 points.



And all of the recent polling makes it settled science that Hillary is inevitable

Hardly on point. The fact of the matter is, neither the counties involved or the oil market...need those areas for offshore drilling.

_____________________________

You can be a murderous tyrant and the world will remember you fondly but fuck one horse and you will be a horse fucker for all eternity. Catherine the Great

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite.
J K Galbraith

(in reply to BoscoX)
Profile   Post #: 6
RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic - 12/21/2016 5:17:44 PM   
Curmudgeonly1


Posts: 466
Joined: 10/6/2011
Status: offline 		In first world countries after an election the outgoing gummint adopts the role of 'caretaker' and refrains from doing anything that might be a bit contentious without full consultation with the incoming gummint.

But that's in first world countries.

With proper democracies.



_____________________________

"The more defects a man may have, the older he is, the less lovable, the more resounding his success." Donatien Alphonse François

Dummheit straft sich selbst.

(in reply to MrRodgers)
Profile   Post #: 7
RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic - 12/21/2016 5:31:12 PM   
dcnovice


Posts: 37282
Joined: 8/2/2006
Status: offline
quote:

In first world countries after an election the outgoing gummint adopts the role of 'caretaker' and refrains from doing anything that might be a bit contentious without full consultation with the incoming gummint.

Interesting. What's your source on that?

U.S. transition tensions go as far back as Marbury v. Madison.

_____________________________

No matter how cynical you become,
it's never enough to keep up.

JANE WAGNER, THE SEARCH FOR SIGNS OF
INTELLIGENT LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE

(in reply to Curmudgeonly1)
Profile   Post #: 8
RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic - 12/21/2016 6:24:36 PM   
Curmudgeonly1


Posts: 466
Joined: 10/6/2011
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: dcnovice

quote:

In first world countries after an election the outgoing gummint adopts the role of 'caretaker' and refrains from doing anything that might be a bit contentious without full consultation with the incoming gummint.

Interesting. What's your source on that?

U.S. transition tensions go as far back as Marbury v. Madison.

A lifetime of observation of countries that follow a democratic tradition compared to a bunch of third world countries that don't.



_____________________________

"The more defects a man may have, the older he is, the less lovable, the more resounding his success." Donatien Alphonse François

Dummheit straft sich selbst.

(in reply to dcnovice)
Profile   Post #: 9
RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic - 12/21/2016 6:40:08 PM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Obama is still the president, and with higher approval ratings than Trump by 10 points.



And all of the recent polling makes it settled science that Hillary is inevitable

Hardly on point. The fact of the matter is, neither the counties involved or the oil market...need those areas for offshore drilling.

You started which "some say over-reach" -- it's exactly on point.

(in reply to MrRodgers)
Profile   Post #: 10
RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic - 12/21/2016 7:04:18 PM   
Nnanji


Posts: 4552
Joined: 3/29/2016
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1


quote:

ORIGINAL: dcnovice

quote:

In first world countries after an election the outgoing gummint adopts the role of 'caretaker' and refrains from doing anything that might be a bit contentious without full consultation with the incoming gummint.

Interesting. What's your source on that?

U.S. transition tensions go as far back as Marbury v. Madison.

A lifetime of observation of countries that follow a democratic tradition compared to a bunch of third world countries that don't.



Well good! That's special. You wanna know why? Because your lifetime of observations will make it easy for you to google the citations you can post.


(in reply to Curmudgeonly1)
Profile   Post #: 11
RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic - 12/21/2016 7:16:58 PM   
BamaD


Posts: 20687
Joined: 2/27/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1

In first world countries after an election the outgoing gummint adopts the role of 'caretaker' and refrains from doing anything that might be a bit contentious without full consultation with the incoming gummint.

But that's in first world countries.

With proper democracies.



The only president I can remember tying to set an agenda for his successor is Bill Clinton and he just told Bush what he wanted Bush to do, he didn't sign a bunch of last minute EOs .

_____________________________

Government ranges from a necessary evil to an intolerable one. Thomas Paine

People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

(in reply to Curmudgeonly1)
Profile   Post #: 12
RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic - 12/21/2016 7:18:29 PM   
MrRodgers


Posts: 10542
Joined: 7/30/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1

In first world countries after an election the outgoing gummint adopts the role of 'caretaker' and refrains from doing anything that might be a bit contentious without full consultation with the incoming gummint.

But that's in first world countries.

With proper democracies.



Does that also apply to congress ? They are working on 6 bills during their lame duck session. Does the lameduck pres. lose his signing or veto power ? Plus I agree with Lucy, I see no history of democratic transitions let alone any comparative analysis...such as you describe.

HERE

< Message edited by MrRodgers -- 12/21/2016 7:19:34 PM >

_____________________________

You can be a murderous tyrant and the world will remember you fondly but fuck one horse and you will be a horse fucker for all eternity. Catherine the Great

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite.
J K Galbraith

(in reply to Curmudgeonly1)
Profile   Post #: 13
RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic - 12/21/2016 7:21:31 PM   
MrRodgers


Posts: 10542
Joined: 7/30/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Obama is still the president, and with higher approval ratings than Trump by 10 points.



And all of the recent polling makes it settled science that Hillary is inevitable

Hardly on point. The fact of the matter is, neither the counties involved or the oil market...need those areas for offshore drilling.

You started which "some say over-reach" -- it's exactly on point.

Not the reference to Hillary. She is now a footnote in history.

_____________________________

You can be a murderous tyrant and the world will remember you fondly but fuck one horse and you will be a horse fucker for all eternity. Catherine the Great

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite.
J K Galbraith

(in reply to Musicmystery)
Profile   Post #: 14
RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic - 12/21/2016 7:39:09 PM   
Curmudgeonly1


Posts: 466
Joined: 10/6/2011
Status: offline 		For the education of USians, who seem to be singularly lacking any knowledge of real democracy at work..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caretaker_government



_____________________________

"The more defects a man may have, the older he is, the less lovable, the more resounding his success." Donatien Alphonse François

Dummheit straft sich selbst.

(in reply to MrRodgers)
Profile   Post #: 15
RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic - 12/21/2016 7:53:22 PM   
dcnovice


Posts: 37282
Joined: 8/2/2006
Status: offline 		FR

Then there's North Carolina, that model of orderly transition and respect for election results.

This month the Republican-controlled statehouse passed two pieces of legislation that stripped duties from the governor so that the power of his successor, Democratic Attorney General Roy Cooper, would be curtailed.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/20/politics/north-carolina-power-grab/

_____________________________

No matter how cynical you become,
it's never enough to keep up.

JANE WAGNER, THE SEARCH FOR SIGNS OF
INTELLIGENT LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE

(in reply to Curmudgeonly1)
Profile   Post #: 16
RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic - 12/21/2016 8:10:44 PM   
MrRodgers


Posts: 10542
Joined: 7/30/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1

For the education of USians, who seem to be singularly lacking any knowledge of real democracy at work..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caretaker_government



'.....how democracy works ?' That's a goods one but...not even a nice try.

Your link refers to a parliamentary system and something called the Westminster system. Also, Wiki refers to a so-called 'caretaker' govt. only in reference to coalition governments which temporarily forms while negotiations to form a new coalition take place.

No mention of their new leader being a minority pres. being elected via what's called the 'electoral college' system. Maybe that's because your link is a hail Mary at trying to refute Obama's legitimate power as still POUS.

Furthermore, issuing policy under the law is not an EO. EO's can be rescinded and according to this law, once in court where the profiteers will surely go, it then becomes subject to the interpretation of the court, something EO's are not, unless of course one can get a right wing, conservative, activist court [sic]...to say so.

_____________________________

You can be a murderous tyrant and the world will remember you fondly but fuck one horse and you will be a horse fucker for all eternity. Catherine the Great

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite.
J K Galbraith

(in reply to Curmudgeonly1)
Profile   Post #: 17
RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic - 12/22/2016 2:11:31 AM   
Curmudgeonly1


Posts: 466
Joined: 10/6/2011
Status: offline 		Yeah, you got it.

El Presidente ruling by royal edict. It's like some tinpot African banana republic.



_____________________________

"The more defects a man may have, the older he is, the less lovable, the more resounding his success." Donatien Alphonse François

Dummheit straft sich selbst.

(in reply to MrRodgers)
Profile   Post #: 18
RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic - 12/22/2016 4:54:15 AM   
WhoreMods


Posts: 10691
Joined: 5/6/2016
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1

In first world countries after an election the outgoing gummint adopts the role of 'caretaker' and refrains from doing anything that might be a bit contentious without full consultation with the incoming gummint.

But that's in first world countries.

With proper democracies.



In first world countries with proper democracies the outgoing government has probably got stuff done during its time in office, rather than having had every reform it has attempted blocked, and having the other two branches of government shut down rather than passing a budget that would fund stuff they don't approve of.

_____________________________

On the level and looking for a square deal.

(in reply to Curmudgeonly1)
Profile   Post #: 19
RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic - 12/22/2016 5:06:46 AM   
servantforuse


Posts: 6363
Joined: 3/8/2006
Status: offline 		Lets leave that decision to the companies drilling and selling the oil. Not Obama.

(in reply to MrRodgers)
Profile   Post #: 20
Page:   [1] 2 3   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic Page: [1] 2 3   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.109