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lovmuffin -> RE: US Liberals are buying guns (12/27/2016 9:35:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird Not at all surprised the point went way over your head. Any proposed law to prevent harm to society by way of the most stupid or deranged -gun owners- is immediately turned to being an attack on the second amendment by the majority of 'conservatives,' that's a well demonstrated fact. Then perhaps you could deminstrate that for us. Nothing that I've seen so far from the libs would actually mitigate these types of things. Though it's not difficult to demonstrate that a crap load of the libs in power have attacked the Second Amendment. Bill Clinton knows what I'm talking about. You don't even have a point. A hint: demanding that someone provide demonstration of something and then immediately providing such demonstration yourself doesn't exhibit the best demonstration of having any smarts. Just a hint. I didn't demand, I simply asked that you put up (I didn't even say 'or shut up'). How did I immediately provide such demonstration? What are you talking about?

lovmuffin -> RE: US Liberals are buying guns (12/27/2016 9:56:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Liberals are claiming to be buying guns because the actually believe Trumpets are going to come gunning for them and conservatives are paranoid? Gun sales increased when GHW told us that "Willie Horton is coming after you, I'm the only one who can save you.' Even before he got elected. The increased gun sales wasn't from paranoid liberals. There's a clue. Sales of guns and ammo increased 90% after election of Obama in 2008, and if you think the only consideration there was to potential of new gun laws, you are greatly separated from reality. Take the heavy hint. That "Take Our Country Back!" thing got hot and heavy for a while there, no question that being taken quite literally by some significant some. The OP stated nothing about gun sales, but rather the 10% increase of already gun owners joining liberal gun clubs, which, even after all the above, means that liberals are more paranoid than 'conservatives,' do I have this right? If it actually comes as surprise, which seems to be the case even among liberals, that those who consistently vote for demise of civilization are inherently more paranoid, then there are too many people not paying attention. For the most part, gun sales went up when Obama was elected because people thought they might not be able to get an AR-15 or other type of semi auto. Hell, they freakin Sky rocketed. They sky rocketed back in 1989 when for the first time liberals started calling for bans and introducing legislation. Same thing when Clinton introduced his stupid Assault Weapon ban and the same thing when ever there is a high profile shooting. It's the fear of possibly not being able to legally buy a particular firearm. This liberal gun buying frenzy is some kind of Trump paranoia or so it seems. They won't need them because of Trump of course but I'm looking at it as a positive thing. "Voting for the demise of civilization" ?? Yer off Yer rocker. Get back on your meds.

heavyblinker -> RE: US Liberals are buying guns (12/27/2016 10:00:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Yes that is paranoid. And just because Obama failed to ban guns doesn't mean he didn't try. No, the fact that he didn't try to ban guns is what means he didn't try. I don't know how to put it any other way-- the idea that guns were ever going to be banned, the notion that there was ever a long-term plan to ban all guns, that Obama or the left or the socialists or the democrats want to disarm everyone in America to pave way for god knows what sort of horrifying nightmare society based on 1984 where everyone has computer chips in their brains or whatever-- ALL of it is fiction, a lie, a dream, a false prophecy, an uninformed guess... anything but realistic. So you're saying Trump's rhetoric hasn't stirred up racial tensions? You think he's just a normal right-wing candidate? The same as Bush 1 and 2, Romney, McCain or Reagan? Obama was to the right of most left-wing leaders in every single westernized/liberal democratic nation on the planet... he was even more right than Canada's right wing Prime Minister during the mid-2000s. He mostly just wanted to bring to America the kinds of things that Canadians, Australians and Brits have had in place for decades now. So you think that America becoming more like those countries is something that MUST be resisted at all costs? THIS is what you need to arm yourself to protect against? Compare that with what Trump has promised to do-- isolationism, protectionism, mass-deportations, refusing refugees. These are NOT policies that any other modern conservative leader would have embraced. They are however, the same policies that extreme right wing parties like Golden Dawn, UKIP, and Dansk Folkeparti have been openly calling for... and ALL of these parties are connected to fascism in Europe. I honestly don't even think that anyone who voted for Trump is aware enough of the outside world to understand that he is part of a global fascist resurgence that has made a LOT of people on BOTH sides of the political spectrum really uneasy. Just because you're not aware of this doesn't mean other people should just ignore it.

Termyn8or -> RE: US Liberals are buying guns (12/28/2016 12:09:37 AM)
"Compare that with what Trump has promised to do-- isolationism, protectionism, mass-deportations, refusing refugees." Let's hope he can get it done. If not and you want to give away the country, start with your house. T^T

heavyblinker -> RE: US Liberals are buying guns (12/28/2016 2:32:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or "Compare that with what Trump has promised to do-- isolationism, protectionism, mass-deportations, refusing refugees." Let's hope he can get it done. If not and you want to give away the country, start with your house. T^T Because it's us or them, right? That's not fascist at all.

Termyn8or -> RE: US Liberals are buying guns (12/28/2016 4:22:49 AM)
You just don't get it do you ? They will turn this country into a third world shithole in a couple of generations. I am NOT talking about Sharia law or any of that shit, I am talking WE GOT TOO MANY PEOPLE NOW. Do you get it ? Go to usdebtclock.com and look how many taxpayers there are in this country. That will give you a true picture of unemployment. Here is the link. http://www.usdebtclock.org/ Over on the right you can see that MORE PEOPLE VOTED THAN WHO PAY TAXES ! These immigrants, even less of them are going to pay taxes because there are no jobs. Many of them are really uneducated, don't even know the language, so we are going to have to support them. And if you think the government debt is bad you should see consumer debt. WE CANNOT SUPPORT THEM. And there are millions upon millions of them. If we take in 10 million we have not made a dent in the problem over there. If that is fascist then fascism really means survival. We are on the fucking verge of collapse now. We got unfunded shit to pay out the ass because of the ACA and other commitments. Few years ago a buddy of mine was working in one of those places, I dunno like a goodwill, the government had bought an immigrant or refugee a computer. He complains that the monitor is not flat, it is a CRT monitor. The people in the offices there didn't even have flat monitors yet. I would have thrown the thing on the fucking floor and busted it to pieces and said "If you want it any flatter you're going to have to run it over with a truck bomb or something, that's the best I can do". You start giving too much shit away, people get a sense of entitlement and that is hard to get out of them. They will get free housing, food, utilities paid, all that. And there are another 50+ million of them where they came from. You must be a liberal because you certainly don't know math. Feed and clothe and room and board for all these people ? How much in taxes do you want to pay ? We already got what, 25 % on food stamps ? Well obviously they aren't going to be able to afford it. You can't give away what you don't have. Math, simple addition. Think about Clinton talking about free education. Yeah, let me tell you something, most colleges are just like Trump U. They will sell you a degree in liberal arts when you are on government backed loans. Meantime it is damn hard to find a good first year out civil engineer. What's more, engineers n shit are the ones who get jobs off the internet, the unskilled and/or not formally educated beat the street and find their jobs. That is how it is now. You donate, we are tapped out. And if you don't donate they'll have no choice but to become criminals, then we support them anyway. Best we just get them some strongholds somewhere (else) and use the military to help them THERE. Not here. Plus they would be more comfortable there if not for US meddling for one.So stop bombing them back into the stone age, that would be a good start. Leave them there and use a STRONG military force to get humanitarian aid to them. T^T

BamaD -> RE: US Liberals are buying guns (12/28/2016 4:45:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Liberals are claiming to be buying guns because the actually believe Trumpets are going to come gunning for them and conservatives are paranoid? Gun sales increased when GHW told us that "Willie Horton is coming after you, I'm the only one who can save you.' Even before he got elected. The increased gun sales wasn't from paranoid liberals. There's a clue. Sales of guns and ammo increased 90% after election of Obama in 2008, and if you think the only consideration there was to potential of new gun laws, you are greatly separated from reality. Take the heavy hint. That "Take Our Country Back!" thing got hot and heavy for a while there, no question that being taken quite literally by some significant some. The OP stated nothing about gun sales, but rather the 10% increase of already gun owners joining liberal gun clubs, which, even after all the above, means that liberals are more paranoid than 'conservatives,' do I have this right? If it actually comes as surprise, which seems to be the case even among liberals, that those who consistently vote for demise of civilization are inherently more paranoid, then there are too many people not paying attention. For the most part, gun sales went up when Obama was elected because people thought they might not be able to get an AR-15 or other type of semi auto. Hell, they freakin Sky rocketed. They sky rocketed back in 1989 when for the first time liberals started calling for bans and introducing legislation. Same thing when Clinton introduced his stupid Assault Weapon ban and the same thing when ever there is a high profile shooting. It's the fear of possibly not being able to legally buy a particular firearm. This liberal gun buying frenzy is some kind of Trump paranoia or so it seems. They won't need them because of Trump of course but I'm looking at it as a positive thing. "Voting for the demise of civilization" ?? Yer off Yer rocker. Get back on your meds. Willie Horton was brought to the forefront by ... Al Gore .... in the Dem primaries.

mnottertail -> RE: US Liberals are buying guns (12/28/2016 8:02:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Liberals are claiming to be buying guns because the actually believe Trumpets are going to come gunning for them and conservatives are paranoid? Gun sales increased when GHW told us that "Willie Horton is coming after you, I'm the only one who can save you.' Even before he got elected. The increased gun sales wasn't from paranoid liberals. There's a clue. Sales of guns and ammo increased 90% after election of Obama in 2008, and if you think the only consideration there was to potential of new gun laws, you are greatly separated from reality. Take the heavy hint. That "Take Our Country Back!" thing got hot and heavy for a while there, no question that being taken quite literally by some significant some. The OP stated nothing about gun sales, but rather the 10% increase of already gun owners joining liberal gun clubs, which, even after all the above, means that liberals are more paranoid than 'conservatives,' do I have this right? If it actually comes as surprise, which seems to be the case even among liberals, that those who consistently vote for demise of civilization are inherently more paranoid, then there are too many people not paying attention. For the most part, gun sales went up when Obama was elected because people thought they might not be able to get an AR-15 or other type of semi auto. Hell, they freakin Sky rocketed. They sky rocketed back in 1989 when for the first time liberals started calling for bans and introducing legislation. Same thing when Clinton introduced his stupid Assault Weapon ban and the same thing when ever there is a high profile shooting. It's the fear of possibly not being able to legally buy a particular firearm. This liberal gun buying frenzy is some kind of Trump paranoia or so it seems. They won't need them because of Trump of course but I'm looking at it as a positive thing. "Voting for the demise of civilization" ?? Yer off Yer rocker. Get back on your meds. Willie Horton was brought to the forefront by ... Al Gore .... in the Dem primaries. Reagan played the welfare patient card, and there you are, welfare patient.

BamaD -> RE: US Liberals are buying guns (12/28/2016 11:27:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Yes that is paranoid. And just because Obama failed to ban guns doesn't mean he didn't try. No, the fact that he didn't try to ban guns is what means he didn't try. I don't know how to put it any other way-- the idea that guns were ever going to be banned, the notion that there was ever a long-term plan to ban all guns, that Obama or the left or the socialists or the democrats want to disarm everyone in America to pave way for god knows what sort of horrifying nightmare society based on 1984 where everyone has computer chips in their brains or whatever-- ALL of it is fiction, a lie, a dream, a false prophecy, an uninformed guess... anything but realistic. So you're saying Trump's rhetoric hasn't stirred up racial tensions? You think he's just a normal right-wing candidate? The same as Bush 1 and 2, Romney, McCain or Reagan? Obama was to the right of most left-wing leaders in every single westernized/liberal democratic nation on the planet... he was even more right than Canada's right wing Prime Minister during the mid-2000s. He mostly just wanted to bring to America the kinds of things that Canadians, Australians and Brits have had in place for decades now. So you think that America becoming more like those countries is something that MUST be resisted at all costs? THIS is what you need to arm yourself to protect against? Compare that with what Trump has promised to do-- isolationism, protectionism, mass-deportations, refusing refugees. These are NOT policies that any other modern conservative leader would have embraced. They are however, the same policies that extreme right wing parties like Golden Dawn, UKIP, and Dansk Folkeparti have been openly calling for... and ALL of these parties are connected to fascism in Europe. I honestly don't even think that anyone who voted for Trump is aware enough of the outside world to understand that he is part of a global fascist resurgence that has made a LOT of people on BOTH sides of the political spectrum really uneasy. Just because you're not aware of this doesn't mean other people should just ignore it. He tried to ban entire classes of guns, total bans don't start with banning them all, you demonize one type of gun at a time, reduce the number of gun owners then ban another type. As far as Obama being a right winger, what world have you been living in.

heavyblinker -> RE: US Liberals are buying guns (12/28/2016 11:33:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD He tried to ban entire classes of guns, total bans don't start with banning them all, you demonize one type of gun at a time, reduce the number of gun owners then ban another type. As far as Obama being a right winger, what world have you been living in. http://www.skepdic.com/slipperyslope.html I live in the world that includes other countries as well as America.

BamaD -> RE: US Liberals are buying guns (12/28/2016 12:37:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD He tried to ban entire classes of guns, total bans don't start with banning them all, you demonize one type of gun at a time, reduce the number of gun owners then ban another type. As far as Obama being a right winger, what world have you been living in. http://www.skepdic.com/slipperyslope.html I live in the world that includes other countries as well as America. For starters, Obama sponsored a bill to tax both guns and ammunition at a rate of 400% the value of the firearm so that only the rich could afford them, that is a defacto ban. He saw no problem with the almost universal ban in DC saying there was no conflict with the 2nd. He has tried to bring back the weapons that look like assault weapons ban. He wants to take away peoples 2nd amendment right based on rumor (no fly list) . While he isn't directly responsible for this Ca has, for all practical purposes ,outlawed all semi-automatics by requiring a technology that no one has been able to make work yet. Both he and Hillary insist that there is no individual right to bear arms.

WhoreMods -> RE: US Liberals are buying guns (12/29/2016 4:53:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Both he and Hillary insist that there is no individual right to bear arms. And the rightards have a problem with this why? Put it this way, it's not going to be the incumbent president that "liberals" are thinking of shooting with the guns they're buying, is it?

BamaD -> RE: US Liberals are buying guns (12/29/2016 9:45:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Both he and Hillary insist that there is no individual right to bear arms. And the rightards have a problem with this why? Put it this way, it's not going to be the incumbent president that "liberals" are thinking of shooting with the guns they're buying, is it? Because all you have to do to realize they are full of it is read anything written by the people who wrote the 2nd, they are unanimous that it is an individual right. Read it applying the rules of English and you will see that "the right of the people" is dominate. All you have to know is that the Bill of Rights is about individual rights not group rights. Simple logic tells you that if it only protects the militia it is not a right, it is a perk for militiamen, and they didn't make amendments for perks.

BamaD -> RE: US Liberals are buying guns (12/29/2016 9:48:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Both he and Hillary insist that there is no individual right to bear arms. And the rightards have a problem with this why? Put it this way, it's not going to be the incumbent president that "liberals" are thinking of shooting with the guns they're buying, is it? So you think, and approve , that the libs are going to either going to overthrow the goverment or murder the president.

WhoreMods -> RE: US Liberals are buying guns (12/29/2016 10:35:33 AM)
Hope, rather than think. They're a bit more likely to do something pro-active than the whiney bitches on the right who are still playing the victim after winning the election, but don't hold your breath waiting.

BamaD -> RE: US Liberals are buying guns (12/29/2016 10:55:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Hope, rather than think. They're a bit more likely to do something pro-active than the whiney bitches on the right who are still playing the victim after winning the election, but don't hold your breath waiting. You mean not liking for people to riot because their side lost the election? Or about something that a member of Hillary's staff called (after the electors voted of course) a stupid coup attempt.

BamaD -> RE: US Liberals are buying guns (12/29/2016 11:00:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Hope, rather than think. They're a bit more likely to do something pro-active than the whiney bitches on the right who are still playing the victim after winning the election, but don't hold your breath waiting. So you advocate treason? That is what an attempt to over through would be. And with all your predictions of right wing uprisings in the past (which you may note no such thing happened) that the military would have no trouble dealing with people who have used firearms all their lives and have experience in "noncoventional" warfare that a buch of snowflaks with their first gun have any chance.

WickedsDesire -> RE: US Liberals are buying guns (12/29/2016 11:18:28 AM)
bamad Donald Trump hints at assassination of Hillary Clinton by gun rights supporters. Or has you pea brain forgotten as you waffle your non staggering intellect with flying drool. I can find you the actual clip if you like. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/09/trump-gun-owners-clinton-judges-second-amendment And yet someone who said that is president elect....shakes head.

WhoreMods -> RE: US Liberals are buying guns (12/29/2016 11:19:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Hope, rather than think. They're a bit more likely to do something pro-active than the whiney bitches on the right who are still playing the victim after winning the election, but don't hold your breath waiting. So you advocate treason? That is what an attempt to over through would be. And with all your predictions of right wing uprisings in the past (which you may note no such thing happened) that the military would have no trouble dealing with people who have used firearms all their lives and have experience in "noncoventional" warfare that a buch of snowflaks with their first gun have any chance. No, I advocate freedom. It's only treason if you actually support the president who gets killed, looking at some of the shite you fuckwits have spent the last eight years spouting about that uppity Democrat who's still camped out in the White House until they swear your tiny-handed crotch grabber in. When did I predict a right wing uprising? I just point out, whenever talk turns to some rightist fucktard with no balls (like that draft dodging piece of shit Nugent) bitching about taking their country back and needing guns to overthrow an undesirable government or the ferret wearing shitgibbon whining that his bitches wouldn't accept a vote that went against him, that no rightard would have the balls or backbone to do any such thing. I was scornful of the idea that any of the orange cuntbubble's clade of fuckwits, twats and pondlife would do anything besides whining on social media if he lost.

BamaD -> RE: US Liberals are buying guns (12/29/2016 12:02:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Hope, rather than think. They're a bit more likely to do something pro-active than the whiney bitches on the right who are still playing the victim after winning the election, but don't hold your breath waiting. So you advocate treason? That is what an attempt to over through would be. And with all your predictions of right wing uprisings in the past (which you may note no such thing happened) that the military would have no trouble dealing with people who have used firearms all their lives and have experience in "noncoventional" warfare that a buch of snowflaks with their first gun have any chance. No, I advocate freedom. It's only treason if you actually support the president who gets killed, looking at some of the shite you fuckwits have spent the last eight years spouting about that uppity Democrat who's still camped out in the White House until they swear your tiny-handed crotch grabber in. When did I predict a right wing uprising? I just point out, whenever talk turns to some rightist fucktard with no balls (like that draft dodging piece of shit Nugent) bitching about taking their country back and needing guns to overthrow an undesirable government or the ferret wearing shitgibbon whining that his bitches wouldn't accept a vote that went against him, that no rightard would have the balls or backbone to do any such thing. I was scornful of the idea that any of the orange cuntbubble's clade of fuckwits, twats and pondlife would do anything besides whining on social media if he lost. That is the problem with Yankee English that you was the plural as in you'all. Right, even though you know that very few of the right fit your description you try to pretend we all do. And yes it is treason to overthrow or remove with extreme prejudice a president you don't like. It is reasonable to assume that if you want to kill him/her you aren't a real big fan.

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