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BamaD -> RE: Electoral College 101 (1/1/2017 1:08:48 PM)
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I am amazed this thread is still alive.
I will reiterate that the only way the Republican party (with it's current platform) will ever win the White House is with the help of the Electoral College. (Even against Democrat candidates who have no business running (e.g. Hilary Clinton).
Many people don't realize ALL of the dark aspects of this system.
For example:
State control of Federal elections: Think this is a good idea?
Suppose a Republican controlled STATE legislature passes a law banning anyone who has been convicted of a felony from voting? Suppose, that same state legislature gives the Republican Secretary of State (who also doubles as the Republican party's state chair) full authority to determine who has committed a felony or not. Suppose that same Secretary of State selects a company owned by a big Republican donor to create a list of those felons, but with no accountability for the accuracy of that list? Suppose, those names HAPPEN to be people not likely to vote for the Republican candidate?
Gee... Hmmm Could this ever happen?
Suppose in a Democratic area they have voting machines supplied by Soros which end up with more votes counted than cast.
This year, in Detroit which, amazingly enough Hillary carried with ease , though not enough to steal the state, do you see that as a problem?
This was documented by Reuters.
Yes!!!! I definitely see it as a problem!!!! All the MORE reason to dump the Electoral College, and turn federal elections over to a transparent FEC who (instead of the useless bi-partisan piece of crap it is now) would be a non-partisan effective body with actual authority. The only part of your example, which isn't true, is the Soros connection. That got a "Pants on Fire"
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/31/sean-duffy/wisconsin-congressman-fuels-soros-voting-machine-r/
The fact of the matter is they were using 10-12 yr old voting machines running Windows XP. (Not a priority to replace them by the Republican Secretary of State (former Republican candidate for Lt. Governor)).
Again, all the more reason to take the running of Federal elections out of the hands of inept, hugely partisan Secretaries of State, and have transparent NATIONAL standards.
Some examples:
1) Have national standards for what documentation is acceptable to establish eligibility to register to vote, and documented transparent procedures for enforcing those standards. Ensure that there is ample access at little or no cost to legitimately and legally obtain that documentation prior to the election.
2) Provide early and secure online voting nationwide (from home, or at kiosks at Post offices and Libraries) as well as in-person, and mail-in voting.
3) Provide a report to ANYONE who requests it online (in the form of a spreadsheet) showing EVERY single vote, by zip code, district, county, state, or nationally, with a privately provided ID # as the primary key. (i.e. I am voter #XXXXXXYYZ. I can see EVERYONE's vote by their ID # including my own.) That way EVERY vote total in every area, can individually be verified by ANYONE at ANY time.
The bottom line is: States SUCK at running Federal Elections (Most do) (Mine is awesome)
Almost hate to break this too you but the fraud here was clearly nit by the republicans. If it had been Trump would have won much bigger and it wouldn't have provided Hillary with a huge local advantage. If anything this shows more need for the EC. Non partisan is an illusion. with people like Johnson , Nixon or Hillary at the top the opposition party, whichever it is, would never loose power.
I never said there was fraud by the Republicans in this case. I said the inept Republican Secretary of State did nothing to replace the decade old voting machines. I don't see your logic of how, yet another failure at the state level to run a Federal election shows more need for states to run Federal Elections.
If there were transparent, national standards for voting devices, ACCOMPANIED by a DOCUMENTED receipt of each vote for the public to view, this glitch would not have occurred. PERIOD.
That being said, my theory is, the inept Secretary of State just figured the faulty voting machines would help Republicans (and perhaps that is precisely what happened) (Perhaps Hilary would have won the state, if not for these machines)
Non-partisan is quite definable and achievable. Consider the following example rules for commission members:
1) No current or former affiliations with any registered political party (including fund raising, or elected office)
2) No officers of any corporations currently, or within the past 10 years
3) No lobbyists (officially or unofficially)
4) No political activity of any kind (other than voting) for the past 10 years (e.g. Social media)
5) A FULL investigation of ALL assets and possible conflicts of interest (including 20 years of past affiliations)
6) Full disclosure of all financial records including tax returns
Many more can be useful.
You still pretend it is the Republicans fault.
Read up on the 1876 presidential election if you are willing to have you faith in none partisanship crushed.
You want the system control by people who don't care enough to vote.
Are you aware of the idea that the more power you focus in one place the more you encourage corruption and the harder it gets to root out.
Finally you would need an un-passable constitutional amendment before you could even start this, I assume you aren't suggesting that we just ignore the Constitution.
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