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Termyn8or -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (12/28/2016 8:05:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML g.com/article/the-ottoman-empire/#]ARTICLE [/link] In summary, the Romans established Palestine and expelled most of the Jews during the Second Century BC. The First Century Jewish congregations in Palestine were greatly diminished. Sephardic Jews migrated from Europe to Constantinople in the 14th Century and prospered under Ottoman rule. Utter nonsense. Palestine as a region was predominantly Christian - not Arab - and it's the invasion of the Ottomans which saw widespread dispossession of both Christians and Jews. Prior to that, however, the Jews were the majority population until - surprise, surprise - the 7th century Muslim conquest of 638. You know. That religion of war again. quote: You invent a false history for the Jews in Palestine and slander the Muslims, which is not at all surprising given your demonstrated ignorance and arrogance, A'ness. No, you want to whitewash Islamic aggression and pretend it didn't happen. The Islamic hordes have invaded Palestine multiple times in an attempt to displace the Jews and they're still doing it today while claiming to be the underdog. You are an unthinking tool of a shockingly violent and murderous creed. Who's your shrink ? T^T

MrRodgers -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (12/28/2016 8:07:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers That brings us to today and the existence of Israel and its power to affect Zionism, is due to British and American might. Your argument is foolish. When the Muslim hordes declared jihad on the West in WW I, how do you suppose the world would have looked today, had the jihadis won. We are very good to them, considering. Never mind that up to 1914 and for the previous 200 years, the Arabs states suffered from and had lines drawn by, the British which virtually surrounded the Ottomans. If Islam had won and if there was never a state of Israel forced upon Palestine, then the world just might not be suffering the Islamic terrorism we are today. The west has fucked the Arabs over every time and anytime [it] sought fit to from cheap oil until OPEC used its power in 1973 to actually taking out govts. from the end of WWII and continues to what Bush did in 2 instances since 2001. Iraq once again being the worst foreign policy decision by the US govt. in history.

MrRodgers -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (12/28/2016 8:12:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Thanks for the history, MR. It would appear that the "Two State Solution" died today as Bibi resumed the permits for new settlements in East Jerusalem, Trump's designated Ambassador to Israel supports the settlements, and Trump says he will move the US Embassy to Jerusalem. Every American president since and including LBJ has protested the settlements and worked for the Two State Solution. Bibi and his extreme right wing (neo-Zionist) coalition is hellbent on taking all the land. Then we shall see posters on here cursing the Palestinians as "terrorists." You can see why the only way they will accept a 2- state solution is if they are forced. Even then who knows. The basis of their religion is that the land is set aside special by God as His. The Jews don't even consider it theirs.. it is God's special land and he appointed the Jews to be stewards of it. It is a core tenant of their religion. They are not able to change that. So the world must suffer Jewish Zionist religious extremism vs Islam Muslim religious extremism All of this despite the fact that history provided the west ample opportunity to negotiate a two state solution at least twice. The end of WWI and ending the British occupation of Palestine in 1948.

MrRodgers -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (12/28/2016 8:17:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 FR I find it extremely hard to sympathize with the Palestianians since they are Muslim and look at this: [image]http://www.mefacts.com/cache/html/israel-security/10190_files/isr-world.gif[/image] Palestinians has like so many of their "Muslim brothers" to move to and have more land to live in. Look at all the Green that represents Nations friendly to Muslims. Israel got just that little red portion. I am not gonna feel sorry for Palestine! Israel is a tiny nation being bullied by all the Green Nations. Then you wouldn't have had any argument against the UN having forced a division of your country to provide land for the new state of Israel. And while they were at it...56% of your country. I mean after all, look at all the places you could go too. All 700,000 of you.

tamaka -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (12/28/2016 8:22:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Thanks for the history, MR. It would appear that the "Two State Solution" died today as Bibi resumed the permits for new settlements in East Jerusalem, Trump's designated Ambassador to Israel supports the settlements, and Trump says he will move the US Embassy to Jerusalem. Every American president since and including LBJ has protested the settlements and worked for the Two State Solution. Bibi and his extreme right wing (neo-Zionist) coalition is hellbent on taking all the land. Then we shall see posters on here cursing the Palestinians as "terrorists." You can see why the only way they will accept a 2- state solution is if they are forced. Even then who knows. The basis of their religion is that the land is set aside special by God as His. The Jews don't even consider it theirs.. it is God's special land and he appointed the Jews to be stewards of it. It is a core tenant of their religion. They are not able to change that. So the world must suffer Jewish Zionist religious extremism vs Islam Muslim religious extremism All of this despite the fact that history provided the west ample opportunity to negotiate a two state solution at least twice. The end of WWI and ending the British occupation of Palestine in 1948. Yep... and it's all Sarah's fault... and her husband Abraham for listening to her. That is what caused this mess.

Termyn8or -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (12/28/2016 8:31:40 PM)
It ain't that simple. ost of these countries don't want them. Plus the own farms n shit in their own country, why should they have to leave ? T^T

tamaka -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (12/28/2016 8:42:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or It ain't that simple. ost of these countries don't want them. Plus the own farms n shit in their own country, why should they have to leave ? T^T For the same reason you'd have to if the government claimed your property.

Greta75 -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (12/28/2016 10:28:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Then you wouldn't have had any argument against the UN having forced a division of your country to provide land for the new state of Israel. And while they were at it...56% of your country. I mean after all, look at all the places you could go too. All 700,000 of you. My country? We would welcome the Jews. IF they wanna live here. They train our military and we are good friends. They are big red portion compared to us, but if you look at Malaysia on the map I posted, right at the south tip of it is where we are. We ARE the Israel of South East Asia. Our Red dot is so tiny you can't even see it. Considering I can walk on foot from the North to the South of my country in under 4 hours. If Israel wanna relocate to a place where AGAIN getting surrounded by Muslims, they can choose us.

Greta75 -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (12/28/2016 10:32:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or It ain't that simple. ost of these countries don't want them. Plus the own farms n shit in their own country, why should they have to leave ? T^T Now IF only all Muslim refugees are like Palestine and stay firm on their land! I believe Malaysia will be willing to house all the Palestinians and give them land to farm. Actually Palestinians just have to open their mouth and ask for aid from their Muslim brothers. Many would open up land in their own country to help and let them settle there. But they simply want to move into Israel, Jerusalem specifically.

blnymph -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (12/29/2016 9:58:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or It ain't that simple. ost of these countries don't want them. Plus the own farms n shit in their own country, why should they have to leave ? T^T Now IF only all Muslim refugees are like Palestine and stay firm on their land! I believe Malaysia will be willing to house all the Palestinians and give them land to farm. Actually Palestinians just have to open their mouth and ask for aid from their Muslim brothers. Many would open up land in their own country to help and let them settle there. But they simply want to move into Israel, Jerusalem specifically. Simply too simple; on your side (not for the first time). Where to begin: Exiled Palestinians live in refugee camps since 1948, whether in Lebanon, Jordan, or any other Arab Muslim countries. Guess why? Because they never asked for anything else? No other country until present gave them resident status. Not all Arab Palestinians are Muslims. About one third is Christian and Druse. The Israeli military administration declared all land of which no written record of ownership, dated before 1918, exists, as unowned (and available for settlement). But the Ottoman government then was only in the process of introducing land records. Palestinians evicted after the War of Independence still have no right to return to their houses. Some families still have the door keys of their former homes. So had many Sephardi families evicted in and after 1492. What you obviously do not know: The holy sites are in immediate vicinity of each other. The West Wall forms part of the basis of Al-Aqsa. Jews were not permitted to the Wall before 1967, and no Israeli government will submit the access to any other authority again.

Awareness -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (12/29/2016 9:03:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: Utter nonsense. Palestine as a region was predominantly Christian - not Arab - and it's the invasion of the Ottomans which saw widespread dispossession of both Christians and Jews. Prior to that, however, the Jews were the majority population until - surprise, surprise - the 7th century Muslim conquest of 638. You know. That religion of war again. My sources say you are dirt-shit wrong. How does it feel to have your ignorance exposed, laddy? [sm=dancer.gif] You're claiming victory in the face of facts which contradict your narrative. This is the usual method of apologists for Islamic terrorism.

Awareness -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (12/29/2016 9:07:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or So you and bibi decide what is a country ? Or is it you and King whateverthefuck ? Who the fuck are you to decide what is country ? T^T Countries are political as well as geographical entities with some form of government. Up until the artificial creation of the last few years, there has never been a Palestine, there has never been a Palestinian government and there has never been a Palestinian people. Just Arab squatters on Jewish land. Basically, Palestinians are merely the latest in a long line of murderous Jew-hating Arabs, except these fuckers are pretending to be the underdog. It's really quite nauseating.

Awareness -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (12/29/2016 9:16:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph Where to begin: Exiled Palestinians live in refugee camps since 1948, whether in Lebanon, Jordan, or any other Arab Muslim countries. Guess why? Because they never asked for anything else? No other country until present gave them resident status. No, this is a lie. quote: Not all Arab Palestinians are Muslims. About one third is Christian and Druse. Not all Israelis are Jews. About 20% are Arabs. quote: The Israeli military administration declared all land of which no written record of ownership, dated before 1918, exists, as unowned (and available for settlement). But the Ottoman government then was only in the process of introducing land records. Lie upon lie. The Israeli government did no such thing. And the Ottomans had introduced land registers in the previous century. Most so-called "Palestinians" were tenant farmers who didn't own the land they farmed and didn't know who did. quote: Palestinians evicted after the War of Independence You mean the Arab invasion of Israel. And Arabs (there are no Palestinians) weren't evicted, a whole bunch of them fled to make way for the conquering armies of their brethren. quote: still have no right to return to their houses. Some families still have the door keys of their former homes. Unlikely, considering the Arabs in the area were generally poor and completely lacking in prosperity. quote: What you obviously do not know: The holy sites are in immediate vicinity of each other. The West Wall forms part of the basis of Al-Aqsa. Jews were not permitted to the Wall before 1967, and no Israeli government will submit the access to any other authority again. You mean after the Arabs tried - again - to invade Israel and had their asses handed to them, the Jews decided to tell the Arabs to go fuck themselves. How very surprising. Apologists for Islamic terrorism like yourself are truly despicable liars.

blnymph -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (12/30/2016 12:27:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness ... quote: What you obviously do not know: The holy sites are in immediate vicinity of each other. The West Wall forms part of the basis of Al-Aqsa. Jews were not permitted to the Wall before 1967, and no Israeli government will submit the access to any other authority again. You mean after the Arabs tried - again - to invade Israel and had their asses handed to them, the Jews decided to tell the Arabs to go fuck themselves. How very surprising. Apologists for Islamic terrorism like yourself are truly despicable liars. Oh, what you declare all lies: Eastern Jerusalem from 1948 to 1967 was part of what country's administration? Jordan. Fact. Ignorance of basic historical facts is hardly amusing. Painting black and white is the way of simpletons.

tweakabelle -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (12/30/2016 1:04:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: Palestinians evicted after the War of Independence You mean the Arab invasion of Israel. And Arabs (there are no Palestinians) weren't evicted, a whole bunch of them fled to make way for the conquering armies of their brethren. quote: still have no right to return to their houses. Some families still have the door keys of their former homes. Unlikely, considering the Arabs in the area were generally poor and completely lacking in prosperity. Here one of the great lies of the conflict is being recirculated by apologists for Zionist ethnic cleansing and apartheid. The overwhelming majority of the c750,000 Palestinians who fled their homes did so before the establishment of Israel. They fled during the period 1947-8, as a direct consequence of systematic ethnic cleansing and massacres carried out by the Haganah, and other Zionist paramilitaries. As they fled before the establishment of Israel in late 1948, it is impossible for them to have fled "to make way for the conquering armies of their brethren" as you falsely claim. There was no Israel in existence for the Arab armies to invade when the Palestinians were expelled. For a complete account of this program of systematic ethnic cleansing and massacres, see Israeli historian Ilan Pappe's 'The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine". It is worth adding that the facts as I have laid them out above are no longer in dispute at an academic level among Israeli historians of the period. The evidence is so overwhelming it is indisputable. The only aspect that is in dispute among Israeli historians is whether the establishment of a Jewish State justified the wholesale ethnic cleansing and massacres that preceded and accompanied Israel's establishment, and that continue through to today.

Greta75 -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (12/30/2016 2:31:02 AM)
Obviously there are two sides of the story. And which side is telling the truth is unclear. But to me, Muslims are known liars to achieve their goals, with Islam alone, they twist so many truth and keep lying to people. For example, moderate Muslims keep updating and falsifying the age to a legal acceptable age, of Pedophile Muhammad's prepuberscent wife Aisha, to improve the image of Islam, instead of simply saying, "Our Prophet was a 7th century barbarian who was unaware fucking a 9 yr old would be harmful to her! That would be the truth. Please do not follow his example as he was ignorant about this part of things at his time." So I am unlikely to believe the Muslim version. It's also the ONLY religion that tells you it is okay to lie to achieve your goals that is inline with Islam. There is literally a Quran verse that says this.

blnymph -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (12/30/2016 3:31:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Obviously there are two sides of the story. And which side is telling the truth is unclear. But to me, Muslims are known liars to achieve their goals, with Islam alone, they twist so many truth and keep lying to people. For example, moderate Muslims keep updating and falsifying the age to a legal acceptable age, of Pedophile Muhammad's prepuberscent wife Aisha, to improve the image of Islam, instead of simply saying, "Our Prophet was a 7th century barbarian who was unaware fucking a 9 yr old would be harmful to her! That would be the truth. Please do not follow his example as he was ignorant about this part of things at his time." So I am unlikely to believe the Muslim version. It's also the ONLY religion that tells you it is okay to lie to achieve your goals that is inline with Islam. There is literally a Quran verse that says this. There is no two sides of a story if you do not know the story at all (and derail another thread with your prejudices ...) Get informed. Use your brain for thinking instead of parroting. Learn about facts. For this thread maybe start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Israel then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel

WhoreMods -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (12/30/2016 5:22:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 It's also the ONLY religion that tells you it is okay to lie to achieve your goals that is inline with Islam. There is literally a Quran verse that says this. Actually, it's not. Taoists and Buddhists have no religious issue with lying to people (which is a part of some of the manipulative headgames that are popular in some flavours of Buddhism), and it's worth googling "mental reservation" and how that's applied by the Jesuits (though that technically reserves the right to lie with impunity to the Society of Jesus and its offshoots).

Greta75 -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (12/30/2016 5:37:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Actually, it's not. Taoists and Buddhists have no religious issue with lying to people (which is a part of some of the manipulative headgames that are popular in some flavours of Buddhism), and it's worth googling "mental reservation" and how that's applied by the Jesuits (though that technically reserves the right to lie with impunity to the Society of Jesus and its offshoots). Actually, you should come visit our display of our 10 levels of hell in Buddhism/Taoism after-life. Since all of us go to hell. And there is no way we won't be punished for lying! But Muslims won't be punished. There lies the difference. Our punishments are brutal. Buddhism is more about do whatever you want. You are getting tortured in your after life anyway. And reincarnate into more sufferings IF you do bad in this life. So anyway, it is actually the most sensible religion to explain inequality, why someone people are so lucky and some people just keep suffering and get bad things happen to them. First Court of Hell Crime: Violating the code of filial piety Punishment: Put under heavy slabs and boulders or squeezed in the middle of the grinder Second Court of Hell Crime: Gossiping, Stealing, Wickedness Punishment: Having your tongue pierced, Made to kneel on steel granules, Boiled in a cauldron, disemboweled, and put in a volcanic chamber Third Court of Hell Crime : Corruption and greed, Disobedience and disrespect to elders, Violating and state a Confucian principles or being an unjust official Punishment : Handcuffed and beaten, Have your ribs pierced, body grilled, your lungs, heart, liver, intestines and eyes torn out, Have your heart removed, knees crushed and face scraped by a mental instrument Fourth Court of Hell Crime : General Sins, Cheating or evading income taxes, Stealing, Breaking promises Punishment : Hurled into a torrential river, made to kneel on bamboo spikes, boiled in oil, head struck open, Drowned under a heavy stone ,Have your hands swan off, have your lips split Fifth Court of Hell Crime : Cruelty to animals and friends Punishment :Have your heart torn out with hooks or thrown onto protruding swords In this Sixth Court of Hell, those who have already been punished but are still unrepentant, are punished further. This includes all crimes against any deity or Buddha or breaking any Buddhist or Confucian laws. Sixth Court of Hell Crime : Stealing from temples committing blasphemy , Killing animals Punishment : Made to kneel on iron nails, swanned in two, gnawed by rats,Have your body chopped in half Seventh Court of Hell Crime : Rebelling against authorities , Spreading false rumors , Using drugs, causing quarrels Punishment : Torn apart by dogs, Have your tongue pulled out , Thrown into a pot of boiling water Eighth Court of Hell Crime : Committing crimes against Confucianism and operating houses for immoral purposes Punishment : Crushed under carriage wheels, sliced, disemboweled, struck by lighting, and having tongues, arms and legs cut off Ninth Court of Hell Crime : Smuggling, committing arson , Writing or painting erotic literature or scenes Punishment :Attacked by snakes, stung by bees, tortured or trafficking drugs in boiling oil Flattened between two planks, have your head crushed in an iron ring, skull steamed, bones scraped and tendons pulled out In the Tenth Court of Hell, the President passes his final judgment and the sinner goes through one of the seven-ways in the Wheel of Reincarnation. Shaped like a wheel, wind and clouds billow out from the circle in the centre and the six other circles surrounding it. Depending on the sinner's past life, he will enter a particular way which will determine how he or she will be reborn. http://shijieisunstoppable.blogspot.sg/2011/08/chinese-10-courts-of-hell.html

vincentML -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (12/30/2016 5:42:52 AM)
A'NESS . . . quote: You're claiming victory in the face of facts which contradict your narrative. This is the usual method of apologists for Islamic terrorism. Likening my debate to the "methods" of Islamic apologists is similar to the accusations of antisemitism leveled against anyone who has the temerity to point out that Israel is the Emperor sans clothing; it is the cheap and woeful debating trick used by people whose position is devoid of reason and facts. Nearly every post you make ends with an ad hom attack, always a replay of your arrogance and disrespect for others on this forum. Basically, your writing is that of an unrelenting, unapologetic, despicable bully. Earlier you advanced without naming it, the Rhineland Hypothesis, that the Jews fled the Muslims attacks of the 8th Century and settled in Germany. The Israeli government has been turning backflips in trying to connect Ashkenazi Jews to the Kingdom of David to give legitimacy to the hostile appropriation of Arab lands. The Rhineland Hypothesis is challenged by recent genetic data. It seems the Ashkenazi are descendant from Mediterranean women (read Roman or Italian) who converted to Judaism around 2000 years ago. Well before the rise of the "Islamic hoards" you conjure in your simplistic tale of history. The evidence to support this new hypothesis comes from this study of Mitochondrial DNA, which is inherited only through the females of the lineage. It would be nice if you treated other posters with respect but clearly you are incapable of such civil behavior. In response I am happy to tell you to fuck off. Not only has your behavior been despicable but your arguments, draped in so much phony cloth of empty facts, are ridiculous. Facts are not facts simply because you pronounce them to be so.

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