RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you'

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tamaka -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (12/31/2016 2:37:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Uh-huh. Sure. Must have missed that army. Muslims have lived in Europe since 711. Not exactly news there. I guess you're not much of a reader either.

BoscoX -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (12/31/2016 3:15:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Uh-huh. Sure. Must have missed that army. Muslims have lived in Europe since 711. Not exactly news there. I guess you're not much of a reader either. He is obtuse or deliberately obtuse, not sure which is worse

vincentML -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (12/31/2016 3:18:37 PM)
quote: Let's unpack your poorly thought-out proposition here. You think that because a specific sect of Jews from Germany aren't the Jews that fled the Islamic hordes, that there were no Islamic hordes and there were no Jews who fled them. How ignorant. You have no understanding of the varieties of Jewish culture nor of their history and yet you have the gall to make sweeping proclamations from your clueless mind. Sad that you are so uninformed. Most Jews in Europe and the United States are Ashkenazim. They are not a sect. Their mitochondrial genome is traced to four (I believe) women from the Mediterranean at the time the second temple was destroyed. There is no genetic evidence to connect the overwhelming majority of European and American Jews to an exodus from the Middle East in the 8th Century CE. The Sephardic Jews prospered in both Moorish Iberia and later in the lands of the Ottoman after they fled the persecutions suffered at the hands of Iberian Christians. There simply is no evidence that the Jews were driven out of the Middle East in the 8th C. They were already a dwindling, insignificant minority by that time, having been banished by the Romans and ill-treated by the Byzantine Empire. Jews were not forced out of Arab countries before 1948. Your game is to state a position and then invent a history to support that position. Big Fail. The facts are not with you and you cannot cite any supporting information. Citations please or STFU. You don't know what you are talking about.

Musicmystery -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (12/31/2016 6:13:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Uh-huh. Sure. Must have missed that army. Muslims have lived in Europe since 711. Not exactly news there. I guess you're not much of a reader either. Consider the irony of your statement. When you feel really stupid, you'll know you've got it.

Wayward5oul -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (12/31/2016 6:20:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Uh-huh. Sure. Must have missed that army. Muslims have lived in Europe since 711. Not exactly news there. I guess you're not much of a reader either. Consider the irony of your statement. When you feel really stupid, you'll know you've got it. She told me the same thing today too. Guess all [sm=modxiiswatching.gif]I learned while getting my history degree were just fairy tales. Glad she fixed my thinking on that.

vincentML -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (1/1/2017 6:39:04 AM)
quote: Jews were not forced out of Arab countries before 1948. Correction to this remark: there were Jewish migrations from Arab nations in the 1920s and 1930s. It is a controversy, it seems, as to whether these early 20th C migrations were due to Zionist hopes or ill treatment by the Muslims mostly in Yemen.

BoscoX -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (1/1/2017 6:48:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: Jews were not forced out of Arab countries before 1948. Correction to this remark: there were Jewish migrations from Arab nations in the 1920s and 1930s. It is a controversy, it seems, as to whether these early 20th C migrations were due to Zionist hopes or ill treatment by the Muslims mostly in Yemen. Oh, no! What are you suggesting? Muslims LOVE Jews! Everybody knows that. Goes without saying! It's the religion of peace, remember?

vincentML -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (1/1/2017 7:18:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: Jews were not forced out of Arab countries before 1948. Correction to this remark: there were Jewish migrations from Arab nations in the 1920s and 1930s. It is a controversy, it seems, as to whether these early 20th C migrations were due to Zionist hopes or ill treatment by the Muslims mostly in Yemen. Oh, no! What are you suggesting? Muslims LOVE Jews! Everybody knows that. Goes without saying! It's the religion of peace, remember? And Christianity is not? Christ did not preach love and peace? That whole Sermon on the Mount thingy was just a walk in the park, then? Christians and Christian nations have not persecuted the Jews in the Diaspora? That whole Holocaust thing did not occur in Christian nations? In American businesses there were no "gentlemen's agreements?" There were no signs in America warning: "No Jews or dogs allowed?" I must have napped through all that. Just a bad dream.[8\|]

WickedsDesire -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (1/1/2017 8:08:04 AM)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Antiquity and afterwards I know :) Was it them who wandered the desert for 40 years? Tis a lot of wandering, is that.

vincentML -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (1/1/2017 9:55:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Antiquity and afterwards I know :) Was it them who wandered the desert for 40 years? Tis a lot of wandering, is that. Do you think perhaps their lingering so long was due to faulty technology of early GPS devices? Pondering . . . . . hmmmmm . . .

BoscoX -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (1/1/2017 9:56:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: Jews were not forced out of Arab countries before 1948. Correction to this remark: there were Jewish migrations from Arab nations in the 1920s and 1930s. It is a controversy, it seems, as to whether these early 20th C migrations were due to Zionist hopes or ill treatment by the Muslims mostly in Yemen. Oh, no! What are you suggesting? Muslims LOVE Jews! Everybody knows that. Goes without saying! It's the religion of peace, remember? And Christianity is not? Christ did not preach love and peace? That whole Sermon on the Mount thingy was just a walk in the park, then? Christians and Christian nations have not persecuted the Jews in the Diaspora? That whole Holocaust thing did not occur in Christian nations? In American businesses there were no "gentlemen's agreements?" There were no signs in America warning: "No Jews or dogs allowed?" I must have napped through all that. Just a bad dream.[8\|] You are so pathetic, trying to deflect. What a sorry sad little man you must be inside

Awareness -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (1/1/2017 10:07:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or I don't see him using ad hominem attacks. Your inability to pay attention is not my fucking problem. quote: (and I disagree with alot of what he says, you seem to think because he has a different opinion than you that he is intellectually inferior. Your inability to pay attention is not my fucking problem. quote: Well let me tell you something, the intellectually inferior have seemed to climb above here and there, and as far as I am concerned, he is the better Man) Termy, you might be an expert on regurgitating batshit-crazy racist conspiracy theories, but your opinion on manhood is fucking irrelevant. Talk to the voices in your head dude, because I do not give a shit what you think.

Awareness -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (1/1/2017 10:09:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Yeah well try living without a bunch of what the west considers basic needs, and wants to give to the Palestinians but the Israelis woun; Cry me a fucking river. Let me understand you. You think the genocidal urges of the Arabs, which have been documented over hundreds if not thousands of years - are justified by a shortage of toilet paper. That's the thought process of a functional idiot. Don't bother responding to me in future Termy, you're too fucking stupid to waste time on.

Awareness -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (1/1/2017 10:12:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery It's not an inherent trait, however. I get to meet people from all over the world, including the ME, and at least these people by and large want peace, to be left alone to live their lives. I've met a single exception, a very angry hating-everything Pakistani student. It's disturbing to realise that you think meeting people means you can read their minds. quote: Nor is Islam fundamentally imperialistic except in the same sense that Christendom is (by definition) imperialistic -- a relic of the Middle Ages. We've moved on, centuries ago. You're 100% wrong and do not know what you're talking about. quote: Your belief doesn't make sense in its own context -- if 1/5 of the world is coming for us, they must be extraordinarily bad at it, because they aren't making much progress given their numbers. A minor sect which started a thousand years ago now numbers in the billions and is responsible for the vast majority of small and medium scale conflicts of the past 100 years. Have you always had trouble with math?

vincentML -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (1/1/2017 10:22:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: Jews were not forced out of Arab countries before 1948. Correction to this remark: there were Jewish migrations from Arab nations in the 1920s and 1930s. It is a controversy, it seems, as to whether these early 20th C migrations were due to Zionist hopes or ill treatment by the Muslims mostly in Yemen. Oh, no! What are you suggesting? Muslims LOVE Jews! Everybody knows that. Goes without saying! It's the religion of peace, remember? And Christianity is not? Christ did not preach love and peace? That whole Sermon on the Mount thingy was just a walk in the park, then? Christians and Christian nations have not persecuted the Jews in the Diaspora? That whole Holocaust thing did not occur in Christian nations? In American businesses there were no "gentlemen's agreements?" There were no signs in America warning: "No Jews or dogs allowed?" I must have napped through all that. Just a bad dream.[8\|] You are so pathetic, trying to deflect. What a sorry sad little man you must be inside Deflect? Moi? No, you are just gob-smacked for lack of answers to my questions. Islamists were not the only persecutors of Jews. You are either ignorant of the history of Christian persecutions of the Jews or you are blinded to them by your intense Islamophobia.

Awareness -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (1/1/2017 10:27:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML How ignorant. You have no understanding of the varieties of Jewish culture nor of their history and yet you have the gall to make sweeping proclamations from your clueless mind. Sad that you are so uninformed. I'll just leave this here so Termy can remind himself you don't make personal attacks. (Termy, you're a fucking moron.) quote: Most Jews in Europe and the United States are Ashkenazim. Kind of irrelevant to the Jews in Israel. quote: They are not a sect. Their mitochondrial genome is traced to four (I believe) women from the Mediterranean at the time the second temple was destroyed. There is no genetic evidence to connect the overwhelming majority of European and American Jews to an exodus from the Middle East in the 8th Century CE. The mitochondrial genome you refer to identifies local women as the prime source of mitochondrial dna for the Ashkenazi. As such, attempting to use mitochondrial lineage as an attempt to prove anything in relation to Jewish history (which, of course, is patrilineal) is kind of stupid. The Jews allowed people to convert. Some of those locals were no doubt the four founders you refer to. However, to fully appreciate your mistake, you have to understand that the in the 11th century Ashkenazi Jews composed only three percent of the world's total Jewish population. What happened to all the others? Why, they were probably murdered by Muslims of course. Congratulations on reading, but not understanding. Again. Thank you for playing, but you're fucking TERRIBLE at this game. You fucking moron.

vincentML -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (1/1/2017 10:35:18 AM)
quote: A minor sect which started a thousand years ago now numbers in the billions and is responsible for the vast majority of small and medium scale conflicts of the past 100 years. Have you always had trouble with math? Here is a list of all the wars of the 20th C. I don't think you can support your remark. http://www.war-memorial.net/wars_all.asp

Awareness -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (1/1/2017 10:47:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: Jews were not forced out of Arab countries before 1948. Correction to this remark: there were Jewish migrations from Arab nations in the 1920s and 1930s. It is a controversy, it seems, as to whether these early 20th C migrations were due to Zionist hopes or ill treatment by the Muslims mostly in Yemen. That's odd because Mohammed was exhorting his followers to murder Jews in the 7th century and your contention that they ignored their prophet is naive at best and outright stupid at worst.

Awareness -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (1/1/2017 10:50:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX Oh, no! What are you suggesting? Muslims LOVE Jews! Everybody knows that. Goes without saying! It's the religion of peace, remember? And Christianity is not? Christ did not preach love and peace? That whole Sermon on the Mount thingy was just a walk in the park, then? Christians and Christian nations have not persecuted the Jews in the Diaspora? That whole Holocaust thing did not occur in Christian nations? In American businesses there were no "gentlemen's agreements?" There were no signs in America warning: "No Jews or dogs allowed?" I must have napped through all that. Just a bad dream.[8\|] Christianity's founder preached peace. Islam's founder did not. To be a good Christian, you have to keep the commandments and love your neighbour. To be a good Muslim you have to pray five times a day and murder Jews and infidels. Honestly, your mischaracterising of Islam and Christianity is more of your usual excusing and supporting Islamic terrorism.

BoscoX -> RE: Israeli guard: 'Go from this land or I will kill you' (1/1/2017 11:15:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: Jews were not forced out of Arab countries before 1948. Correction to this remark: there were Jewish migrations from Arab nations in the 1920s and 1930s. It is a controversy, it seems, as to whether these early 20th C migrations were due to Zionist hopes or ill treatment by the Muslims mostly in Yemen. Oh, no! What are you suggesting? Muslims LOVE Jews! Everybody knows that. Goes without saying! It's the religion of peace, remember? And Christianity is not? Christ did not preach love and peace? That whole Sermon on the Mount thingy was just a walk in the park, then? Christians and Christian nations have not persecuted the Jews in the Diaspora? That whole Holocaust thing did not occur in Christian nations? In American businesses there were no "gentlemen's agreements?" There were no signs in America warning: "No Jews or dogs allowed?" I must have napped through all that. Just a bad dream.[8\|] You are so pathetic, trying to deflect. What a sorry sad little man you must be inside Deflect? Moi? No, you are just gob-smacked for lack of answers to my questions. Islamists were not the only persecutors of Jews. You are either ignorant of the history of Christian persecutions of the Jews or you are blinded to them by your intense Islamophobia. Changing the subject and building a straw man now

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