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RE: What an AMAZING Speech! - 12/31/2016 10:28:01 PM   
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You're kidding, right? The Obama administration that gave Iran nuclear weapons and billions of dollars to a country that has in its constitution the destruction of Isreal and all jews? That's the administration you are applauding? Seriously?


You are mistaken.

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RE: What an AMAZING Speech! - 12/31/2016 10:35:25 PM   
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Well it is if you know much about Israel.




This statement makes no sense. Nor does the pronoun reference.


It makes sense. Anything less than total capitulation, adoration and more arms (QME) is anti-Semitic.

Didn't you get the memo ?

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RE: What an AMAZING Speech! - 12/31/2016 10:41:13 PM   
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It also makes Israeli officials an odd choice of lens for Americans discussing U.S. policy.


Agreed. However, I had to destroy this nonsensical notion that Kerry's speech was anti-Israel.


Well it is if you know much about Israel.


Kerry was part of an administration that signed an aid package to Israel worth over $50 billion almost all of it on military hardware to ensure Israel's notorious military retains a qualitative edge over any possible regional foes. Part of an administration that for 8 years protected Israel from the diplomatic and political fall out that ensued from Israel's regular atrocities and constant breaches of international law, up to and including exercising a veto at the UNSC, at great cost to itself and contrary to US national interests.

How do you square these facts with your ridiculous claim that Kerry is "anti-Israel"?


Israel is God's special land given to the Jews, no one else. Outsiders will want to divide the land and they will feel God's wrath for it. THAT is pro- Israel.



tamaka...


You REALLY need to proof read what you type. Your loose pronoun association turns your posts into a Palin-esque word salad.

THAT is pro-Israel???? Outsiders wanting to divide the land and feeling G-d's wrath for it?


I don't think that is what you meant, but your post just doesn't make sense.


I will let the leaders in Israel whom I respect decide what is pro-Israel and what is not. They overwhelmingly say that Kerry's speech is pro-Israel.


Agreeing with the entire statement i made is being 'Pro-Israel'.
That is what i meant.

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RE: What an AMAZING Speech! - 12/31/2016 10:41:15 PM   
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Israel is God's special land given to the Jews, no one else. Outsiders will want to divide the land and they will feel God's wrath for it. THAT is pro- Israel.


If "Israel is God's special land given to the Jews, no one else" then how come for the past two thousand years, it has been inhabited and ruled by non-Jews?

Has God been on a two thousand year holiday? Has God been looking the other way for the past two millenia? Or, (gasp!) asleep on the job? Did God suddenly wake up in 1948 and realise that Israel didn't exist and that others were the inhabitants of the "special land"?

One would have to conclude, on the basis of the historical evidence, that there is nothing to suggest that Palestine is special to any deity. As humans have warred over possession of Palestine for many of those two thousand years, there's good evidence to conclude it's closer to hell than any deity's "special land". Indeed there's scant evidence of any kind of divine intervention at all.

It is interesting to note that many of those who scream the loudest about extremist Muslims and their obnoxious murderous attempts to put the words of their (Muslim) God into reality are quite happy to justify the exact same obnoxious murderous lunacy because the Christian or Jewish God is held to have authorised it.


What's more, even if we recognize the biblical, that means Hebrews. Most Israelis are not Hebrews.

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RE: What an AMAZING Speech! - 1/1/2017 4:08:36 AM   
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Or some girl with a keyboard, or a guy with purple font.



My font isn't purple. It's blue (#000066).

My statement made it quite clear that I was deferring to the political and military leaders of Israel to decide what is in Israel's best interests.

So, nice try, but your strawman tactic is ... DENIED.

The rest of your post isn't worthy of my consideration.



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RE: What an AMAZING Speech! - 1/1/2017 4:17:41 AM   
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Israel is God's special land given to the Jews, no one else.

Well actually, and stop me if this sounds familiar, they got it by slaughtering the people who lived there.

K.


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RE: What an AMAZING Speech! - 1/1/2017 7:36:36 AM   
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My font isn't purple. It's blue (#000066).

My statement made it quite clear that I was deferring to the political and military leaders of Israel to decide what is in Israel's best interests.




Your post really didn't make anything quite clear. It was sarcasm that just didn't work.

However, I am happy to see that you are deferring to the political and military leaders of Israel to decide what is in Israel's best interests.

You can join Avigdor Lieberman (Israel's Foreign Minister), MK's, Isaac Herzog, Tzivi Lipni, and former Prime Minister (and most decorated soldier), Ehud Barak in recognizing Kerry's speech as salient, accurate and representing a crucial crossroads for Israel.

John Kerry is the last Secretary of State we have who understands the world and how to protect the interest of the U.S. and its allies, before the position is turned over to an oil company exec with his tongue in Putin's ass.

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RE: What an AMAZING Speech! - 1/1/2017 8:49:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Israel is God's special land given to the Jews, no one else.

Well actually, and stop me if this sounds familiar, they got it by slaughtering the people who lived there.

K.




Actually, they got it initially by:

1) Physically migrating there in greater numbers that already lived there) (Keep in mind, back in 1917, Britian announced an intention to create a Jewish state in Palestine) (Also, keep in mind, if one was a Jew living in Germany in the 30's, Palestine would be a MUCH better place to live)
2) Revolting against the British
3) Getting a U.N. resolution to get a part of the land (displacing some Arabs living there) (After the Arabs living there were rioting and protesting Jewish immigration)

(Full disclosure, I am skipping over the attack at Deir Yassin by Israeli forces to displace Arab villages near the roads into Jerusalem (which at the time was NOT part of Israel)

They were immediately attacked by Egypt and Syria, and Jordan (ALL outside forces NOT living there). In fact, the these forces traveled through the Arab side of the partition in order to attack Israel in the first place.

Israel expelled these forces both from their own land, which at that time, was a tiny strip of land on what is now their Western border, as well as the Arab partition. Israel, then annexed 60% of the Arab partition as well. (Displacing approximately 700,000 Arabs in Palestine) The circumstances on how/why these Arabs left is a topic of debate, but they were not "slaughtered"

Transjordan, a quasi-state (former British protectorate), took over the rest of the Arab partition, and Egypt grabbed the Gaza strip. (So much for Arab unity, our "Palestinian brothers").


Fast forward to 1956, Egypt, violating the peace deal it signed with Israel, as part of the last defeat, nationalized the Suez canal (not sure what they were thinking).

Israel, attacked Egypt via Gaza (Egyptian territory at the time), and BTW captured the Sinai Peninsula. Britain and France, who had been raping the region for decades of its oil resources joined in the attack as well.

Eisenhower was completely caught off guard and denounced the Israeli, British, French, joint attack (OMG!!!!! If the low-information sycophants of today's Republican party were adults in 1956!!!! (Actually, they would have said nothing because the official line would have been "it's ok")

Fast forward to 1967 - Egypt (Nasser just won't give up), blockaded Israeli shipping in the straits of Aqaba, and allies with Syria and Jordan to "drive Israel into the sea"

Israel launches a pre-emptive strike and retakes Gaza once again (they had given it back to Egypt after international pressure to do so), the Sinai once again (same story as Gaza), and this time, they added the Golan Heights (as they were getting sick of Syrians lobbing artillery shells at them from there), AND they added a HUGE chunk of the West Bank (owned by Jordan, but occupied by Palestinian Arabs (many of whom were displaced back in '48 and '56)

So now, there are 250,000 new Palestinian refugees (a good portion had JUST resettled from the last time) (Again not "slaughtered").

The UN Security Council passes Resolution 242 emphasizing the "inadmissibility of acquisition of territory by war". Sorry, have to laugh at this as the council was made up of member countries who have acquired MASSIVE amounts of territory by war.


OK... I will stop with the timeline... But the answer to your question is NO.

They didn't get the territory by slaughtering people already living there. They did however, forcibly displace about a million people already living there (some as part of the creation of Israel, and the majority in huge annexations in the course of war, when THEY were attacked.

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RE: What an AMAZING Speech! - 1/1/2017 10:31:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Israel is God's special land given to the Jews, no one else.

Well actually, and stop me if this sounds familiar, they got it by slaughtering the people who lived there.

They didn't get the territory by slaughtering people already living there.

You really are an ignorant fuck.

K.


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RE: What an AMAZING Speech! - 1/1/2017 11:32:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Israel is God's special land given to the Jews, no one else.

Well actually, and stop me if this sounds familiar, they got it by slaughtering the people who lived there.

K.




Actually, they got it initially by:

1) Physically migrating there in greater numbers that already lived there) (Keep in mind, back in 1917, Britian announced an intention to create a Jewish state in Palestine) (Also, keep in mind, if one was a Jew living in Germany in the 30's, Palestine would be a MUCH better place to live)
2) Revolting against the British
3) Getting a U.N. resolution to get a part of the land (displacing some Arabs living there) (After the Arabs living there were rioting and protesting Jewish immigration)

(Full disclosure, I am skipping over the attack at Deir Yassin by Israeli forces to displace Arab villages near the roads into Jerusalem (which at the time was NOT part of Israel)

They were immediately attacked by Egypt and Syria, and Jordan (ALL outside forces NOT living there). In fact, the these forces traveled through the Arab side of the partition in order to attack Israel in the first place.

Israel expelled these forces both from their own land, which at that time, was a tiny strip of land on what is now their Western border, as well as the Arab partition. Israel, then annexed 60% of the Arab partition as well. (Displacing approximately 700,000 Arabs in Palestine) The circumstances on how/why these Arabs left is a topic of debate, but they were not "slaughtered"

Transjordan, a quasi-state (former British protectorate), took over the rest of the Arab partition, and Egypt grabbed the Gaza strip. (So much for Arab unity, our "Palestinian brothers").


Fast forward to 1956, Egypt, violating the peace deal it signed with Israel, as part of the last defeat, nationalized the Suez canal (not sure what they were thinking).

Israel, attacked Egypt via Gaza (Egyptian territory at the time), and BTW captured the Sinai Peninsula. Britain and France, who had been raping the region for decades of its oil resources joined in the attack as well.

Eisenhower was completely caught off guard and denounced the Israeli, British, French, joint attack (OMG!!!!! If the low-information sycophants of today's Republican party were adults in 1956!!!! (Actually, they would have said nothing because the official line would have been "it's ok")

Fast forward to 1967 - Egypt (Nasser just won't give up), blockaded Israeli shipping in the straits of Aqaba, and allies with Syria and Jordan to "drive Israel into the sea"

Israel launches a pre-emptive strike and retakes Gaza once again (they had given it back to Egypt after international pressure to do so), the Sinai once again (same story as Gaza), and this time, they added the Golan Heights (as they were getting sick of Syrians lobbing artillery shells at them from there), AND they added a HUGE chunk of the West Bank (owned by Jordan, but occupied by Palestinian Arabs (many of whom were displaced back in '48 and '56)

So now, there are 250,000 new Palestinian refugees (a good portion had JUST resettled from the last time) (Again not "slaughtered").

The UN Security Council passes Resolution 242 emphasizing the "inadmissibility of acquisition of territory by war". Sorry, have to laugh at this as the council was made up of member countries who have acquired MASSIVE amounts of territory by war.


OK... I will stop with the timeline... But the answer to your question is NO.

They didn't get the territory by slaughtering people already living there. They did however, forcibly displace about a million people already living there (some as part of the creation of Israel, and the majority in huge annexations in the course of war, when THEY were attacked.



Wow... You're wicked smart!!!

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RE: What an AMAZING Speech! - 1/1/2017 11:35:19 AM   
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... and so considering everything... just in case, i really don't want to be living in a country that divides Israel. Seems like so far the Aussies are smart.

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RE: What an AMAZING Speech! - 1/1/2017 11:50:06 AM   
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... and so considering everything... just in case, i really don't want to be living in a country that divides Israel. Seems like so far the Aussies are smart.



That is the problem, tamaka. You say "divides Israel"... By what borders do you define Israel? 1948? 1967? 1972? today? What about the West Bank? East Jerusalem?

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RE: What an AMAZING Speech! - 1/1/2017 11:52:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Israel is God's special land given to the Jews, no one else.

Well actually, and stop me if this sounds familiar, they got it by slaughtering the people who lived there.

They didn't get the territory by slaughtering people already living there.

You really are an ignorant fuck.

K.





If I am so ignorant, please enlighten me. Point me to some information which describes massive Israeli genocide. Not even Palestinian Arabs claim this.

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RE: What an AMAZING Speech! - 1/1/2017 12:22:02 PM   
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... and so considering everything... just in case, i really don't want to be living in a country that divides Israel. Seems like so far the Aussies are smart.



That is the problem, tamaka. You say "divides Israel"... By what borders do you define Israel? 1948? 1967? 1972? today? What about the West Bank? East Jerusalem?


All of Israel including Gaza and the West Bank.

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RE: What an AMAZING Speech! - 1/1/2017 12:48:19 PM   
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My font isn't purple. It's blue (#000066).

My statement made it quite clear that I was deferring to the political and military leaders of Israel to decide what is in Israel's best interests.




Your post really didn't make anything quite clear. It was sarcasm that just didn't work.

However, I am happy to see that you are deferring to the political and military leaders of Israel to decide what is in Israel's best interests.

You can join Avigdor Lieberman (Israel's Foreign Minister), MK's, Isaac Herzog, Tzivi Lipni, and former Prime Minister (and most decorated soldier), Ehud Barak in recognizing Kerry's speech as salient, accurate and representing a crucial crossroads for Israel.

John Kerry is the last Secretary of State we have who understands the world and how to protect the interest of the U.S. and its allies, before the position is turned over to an oil company exec with his tongue in Putin's ass.

This.

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RE: What an AMAZING Speech! - 1/1/2017 1:05:36 PM   
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This.


That?

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RE: What an AMAZING Speech! - 1/1/2017 1:09:00 PM   
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Yep.

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RE: What an AMAZING Speech! - 1/1/2017 1:33:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Israel is God's special land given to the Jews, no one else.

Well actually, and stop me if this sounds familiar, they got it by slaughtering the people who lived there.

They didn't get the territory by slaughtering people already living there.

You really are an ignorant fuck.

If I am so ignorant, please enlighten me. Point me to some information which describes massive Israeli genocide. Not even Palestinian Arabs claim this.

Try to focus on the pretty red words instead of what your lamp-socket is telling you.

But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee Deuteronomy 20:16-17

K.

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RE: What an AMAZING Speech! - 1/1/2017 1:40:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata
quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

Israel is God's special land given to the Jews, no one else.

Well actually, and stop me if this sounds familiar, they got it by slaughtering the people who lived there.

They didn't get the territory by slaughtering people already living there.

You really are an ignorant fuck.

If I am so ignorant, please enlighten me. Point me to some information which describes massive Israeli genocide. Not even Palestinian Arabs claim this.

Try to focus on the pretty red words instead of what your lamp-socket is telling you.

But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee Deuteronomy 20:16-17

K.



Thank you for enlightening me. Of course. Look to Deuteronomy!

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RE: What an AMAZING Speech! - 1/1/2017 1:47:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata
quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

Israel is God's special land given to the Jews, no one else.

Well actually, and stop me if this sounds familiar, they got it by slaughtering the people who lived there.

They didn't get the territory by slaughtering people already living there.

You really are an ignorant fuck.

If I am so ignorant, please enlighten me. Point me to some information which describes massive Israeli genocide. Not even Palestinian Arabs claim this.

Try to focus on the pretty red words instead of what your lamp-socket is telling you.

But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee Deuteronomy 20:16-17

K.



Thank you for enlightening me. Of course. Look to Deuteronomy!



Exactly.

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