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BoscoX -> RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded (1/1/2017 3:32:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Nothing to see here (there). I second this! Terrorism has nothing to do Islam! The attackers were probably just random sick people who has nothing better to do. Not motivated by Islam at all. It is possible the attack came from the Kurds who have been warring with the Turks forever. If so it would be about territory and not religion. The Turks, if you haven't noticed are also Muslims. [8\|] That point and similar points seem to consistently elude this crowd. Yeah, its a mystery why everyone automatically thinks "Islam" whenever there's another normal every day terrorist attack

BoscoX -> RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded (1/1/2017 3:39:46 PM)
So, what does "Allahu Akbar" mean in Arabic again. "I am a Kurdf"? "Happy New year"? Perhaps "Alt leftists are idiots"? quote: The gunman is seen casually strolling into the nightclub holding the weapon before carrying out the killing spree while reportedly shouting 'Allahu Akbar'. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4079942/Pictured-Female-security-guard-27-gunned-Istanbul-New-Year-terror-attack-nightclub.html#ixzz4UYXT7bLU

MasterBrentC -> RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded (1/1/2017 4:08:10 PM)
The religion of peace strikes again.

PeonForHer -> RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded (1/1/2017 4:21:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX So, what does "Allahu Akbar" mean in Arabic again. "I am a Kurdf"? "Happy New year"? Perhaps "Alt leftists are idiots"? quote: The gunman is seen casually strolling into the nightclub holding the weapon before carrying out the killing spree while reportedly shouting 'Allahu Akbar'. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4079942/Pictured-Female-security-guard-27-gunned-Istanbul-New-Year-terror-attack-nightclub.html#ixzz4UYXT7bLU Didn't you see the post I did before on this? "John Burgess, Former US Foreign Service Officer who's been around the block (and the world) a few times. Written Jan 12, 2015 Originally Answered: Why do many fighters in the Middle East say "Allahu Akbar" so very often? Muslim Arabs say "Allahu Akbar" all the time, not just in military operations. They say it when anything good happens, along with phrases like Alhamdulillah, to show that they credit God with good things. Sometimes, the phrase is actually religious in intent; sometimes, it's just the rote response to something happening. 20.8k Views · View Upvotes Downvote Comments2 Share Ali Qassim Ali Qassim, M.D. with a passion for knowledge Written Jun 30, 2012 To understand this phenomenon you have to know a little about Islam and Muslims. Muslims have a deep faith in predestination. They believe that god wills everything, and nothing occurs without the will of god. For example, Muslims constantly say Inshallah, which are actually two words: insha'a, which means 'if he wills', and Allah, when asked or ordered to do something. Even myself, being an atheist, have grown accustomed to using this term when asked a question or told to do something. A central tennet of Islam is the "kun fa yakoon". This is actually a part of the Quran, specifically, Surat Yaseen. What this statement means is: kun, which means in a commanding sense 'occur!' and fa yakun, which means 'and it occurs'. You will occasionally hear this. For example, I might tell a fellow Muslim, "Fellow Muslim, how did Allah create the universe?" And his answer might simply be "kun fa yakoon". This demonstrates the intensity of Gods involvement in everything in the Islamic religion. So, taking all that in, when Muslims scream 'Allahu akbar' (which means Allah the greatest, or Allah is great) they are reaffirming whatever is happening in accordance to Allah's will. When mourning, Allahu Akbar would signify God's predestination of this persons death. When about to go to war, Allahu Akbar would signify that the results occur according to Gods will, and God is with you thus whatever happens, you are righteous and will be rewarded accordingly, if not in this life, then the next. Before an exam, a Muslim may say Allahu akbar (or Bism illah which means in the name of Allah) and this would imply that 'I studied, I worked hard. I will score well if Allah wills, and if I don't then it is not for me to argue for Allah most likely has a plan'. In this light, it is easy to see how Muslims use that phrase in many occasions, including war, exams, prior to opening a business, when the elevator gets stuck, during a natural disaster, when killing an 'infidel', etc... It is reassurance that whatever happens, happens for a reason far greater than we might know." https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Muslims-repeat-the-phrase-allahu-akbar-God-is-great-in-many-contexts-from-weddings-to-battle-jubilation-to-shock-and-tragedy

BoscoX -> RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded (1/1/2017 4:30:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX So, what does "Allahu Akbar" mean in Arabic again. "I am a Kurdf"? "Happy New year"? Perhaps "Alt leftists are idiots"? quote: The gunman is seen casually strolling into the nightclub holding the weapon before carrying out the killing spree while reportedly shouting 'Allahu Akbar'. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4079942/Pictured-Female-security-guard-27-gunned-Istanbul-New-Year-terror-attack-nightclub.html#ixzz4UYXT7bLU Didn't you see the post I did before on this? "John Burgess, Former US Foreign Service Officer who's been around the block (and the world) a few times. Written Jan 12, 2015 Originally Answered: Why do many fighters in the Middle East say "Allahu Akbar" so very often? Muslim Arabs say "Allahu Akbar" all the time, not just in military operations. They say it when anything good happens, along with phrases like Alhamdulillah, to show that they credit God with good things. Sometimes, the phrase is actually religious in intent; sometimes, it's just the rote response to something happening. 20.8k Views · View Upvotes Downvote Comments2 Share Ali Qassim Ali Qassim, M.D. with a passion for knowledge Written Jun 30, 2012 To understand this phenomenon you have to know a little about Islam and Muslims. Muslims have a deep faith in predestination. They believe that god wills everything, and nothing occurs without the will of god. For example, Muslims constantly say Inshallah, which are actually two words: insha'a, which means 'if he wills', and Allah, when asked or ordered to do something. Even myself, being an atheist, have grown accustomed to using this term when asked a question or told to do something. A central tennet of Islam is the "kun fa yakoon". This is actually a part of the Quran, specifically, Surat Yaseen. What this statement means is: kun, which means in a commanding sense 'occur!' and fa yakun, which means 'and it occurs'. You will occasionally hear this. For example, I might tell a fellow Muslim, "Fellow Muslim, how did Allah create the universe?" And his answer might simply be "kun fa yakoon". This demonstrates the intensity of Gods involvement in everything in the Islamic religion. So, taking all that in, when Muslims scream 'Allahu akbar' (which means Allah the greatest, or Allah is great) they are reaffirming whatever is happening in accordance to Allah's will. When mourning, Allahu Akbar would signify God's predestination of this persons death. When about to go to war, Allahu Akbar would signify that the results occur according to Gods will, and God is with you thus whatever happens, you are righteous and will be rewarded accordingly, if not in this life, then the next. Before an exam, a Muslim may say Allahu akbar (or Bism illah which means in the name of Allah) and this would imply that 'I studied, I worked hard. I will score well if Allah wills, and if I don't then it is not for me to argue for Allah most likely has a plan'. In this light, it is easy to see how Muslims use that phrase in many occasions, including war, exams, prior to opening a business, when the elevator gets stuck, during a natural disaster, when killing an 'infidel', etc... It is reassurance that whatever happens, happens for a reason far greater than we might know." https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Muslims-repeat-the-phrase-allahu-akbar-God-is-great-in-many-contexts-from-weddings-to-battle-jubilation-to-shock-and-tragedy You don't get sarcasm, do you

PeonForHer -> RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded (1/1/2017 4:56:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX You don't get sarcasm, do you Yes. I also know willful ignorance when I see it.

Greta75 -> RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded (1/1/2017 8:04:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML It is possible the attack came from the Kurds who have been warring with the Turks forever. If so it would be about territory and not religion. The Turks, if you haven't noticed are also Muslims. Whenever a terrorist attack happens these days, another thing is, "We can't be sure it's done by a Muslim yet! Because Terrorism has nothing to do with Islam!" And then later, it is INDEED conducted by Muslims. And then it's just a coincidence! One off unusual unique occurrence. As apparently, 99.9% of Muslims are not terrorists! Oh yea, that's the spew.

ManOeuvre -> RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded (1/1/2017 8:31:04 PM)
I think the 5 minute rule works for the 5 minutes before the murder as well.

ManOeuvre -> RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded (1/1/2017 8:41:21 PM)
You know, regarding terrorism, If you don't count 9/11, or attacks that occur on holidays, or attacks that occur during Ramadan, or attacks that occur on the nth day of the year where n is a prime number or square of a prime number, and if you also don't include attacks inside of drinking establishments, and omit car bombs, the Nord-Ost siege in MOCKBA, and omit mail-bombs unless the bomber has red hair, and don't count vest bombs where the vest was poorly coördinated with the other colours the bomber wore, and if you don't count attacks when the attackers have beards.... Then you can open your eyes and realize that islam isn't really a problem. The real problem lies with the IRA, Anders Breivik, McVeigh-types and those ethnic Fijians who don't much care for their Indian overlords.

BoscoX -> RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded (1/1/2017 8:42:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX You don't get sarcasm, do you Yes. I also know willful ignorance when I see it. Not so much. Not so much when you are wallowing in it, either

PeonForHer -> RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded (1/2/2017 2:54:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML It is possible the attack came from the Kurds who have been warring with the Turks forever. If so it would be about territory and not religion. The Turks, if you haven't noticed are also Muslims. Whenever a terrorist attack happens these days, another thing is, "We can't be sure it's done by a Muslim yet! Because Terrorism has nothing to do with Islam!" And then later, it is INDEED conducted by Muslims. And then it's just a coincidence! One off unusual unique occurrence. As apparently, 99.9% of Muslims are not terrorists! Oh yea, that's the spew. It seems pretty obvious that the attacker was a Muslim, or at least someone who was brought up as a Muslim. Where has anybody said otherwise? What we don't know yet, though, is whether he was an Islamist. That's still more likely than not - but another possibility is that he could have been PKK - the Kurdish Workers' Party, which is also active in the area (but has a policy not to attack civilians). The PKK has Marxist-Leninist and atheist roots. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Workers'_Party

thishereboi -> RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded (1/2/2017 2:55:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX So, what does "Allahu Akbar" mean in Arabic again. "I am a Kurdf"? "Happy New year"? Perhaps "Alt leftists are idiots"? quote: The gunman is seen casually strolling into the nightclub holding the weapon before carrying out the killing spree while reportedly shouting 'Allahu Akbar'. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4079942/Pictured-Female-security-guard-27-gunned-Istanbul-New-Year-terror-attack-nightclub.html#ixzz4UYXT7bLU Didn't you see the post I did before on this? "John Burgess, Former US Foreign Service Officer who's been around the block (and the world) a few times. Written Jan 12, 2015 Originally Answered: Why do many fighters in the Middle East say "Allahu Akbar" so very often? Muslim Arabs say "Allahu Akbar" all the time, not just in military operations. They say it when anything good happens, along with phrases like Alhamdulillah, to show that they credit God with good things. Sometimes, the phrase is actually religious in intent; sometimes, it's just the rote response to something happening. 20.8k Views · View Upvotes Downvote Comments2 Share Ali Qassim Ali Qassim, M.D. with a passion for knowledge Written Jun 30, 2012 To understand this phenomenon you have to know a little about Islam and Muslims. Muslims have a deep faith in predestination. They believe that god wills everything, and nothing occurs without the will of god. For example, Muslims constantly say Inshallah, which are actually two words: insha'a, which means 'if he wills', and Allah, when asked or ordered to do something. Even myself, being an atheist, have grown accustomed to using this term when asked a question or told to do something. A central tennet of Islam is the "kun fa yakoon". This is actually a part of the Quran, specifically, Surat Yaseen. What this statement means is: kun, which means in a commanding sense 'occur!' and fa yakun, which means 'and it occurs'. You will occasionally hear this. For example, I might tell a fellow Muslim, "Fellow Muslim, how did Allah create the universe?" And his answer might simply be "kun fa yakoon". This demonstrates the intensity of Gods involvement in everything in the Islamic religion. So, taking all that in, when Muslims scream 'Allahu akbar' (which means Allah the greatest, or Allah is great) they are reaffirming whatever is happening in accordance to Allah's will. When mourning, Allahu Akbar would signify God's predestination of this persons death. When about to go to war, Allahu Akbar would signify that the results occur according to Gods will, and God is with you thus whatever happens, you are righteous and will be rewarded accordingly, if not in this life, then the next. Before an exam, a Muslim may say Allahu akbar (or Bism illah which means in the name of Allah) and this would imply that 'I studied, I worked hard. I will score well if Allah wills, and if I don't then it is not for me to argue for Allah most likely has a plan'. In this light, it is easy to see how Muslims use that phrase in many occasions, including war, exams, prior to opening a business, when the elevator gets stuck, during a natural disaster, when killing an 'infidel', etc... It is reassurance that whatever happens, happens for a reason far greater than we might know." https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Muslims-repeat-the-phrase-allahu-akbar-God-is-great-in-many-contexts-from-weddings-to-battle-jubilation-to-shock-and-tragedy Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know there were so many reasons to say that. Very interesting indeed. Now perhaps you can tell us what they meant when they said "The IS-linked Aamaq News Agency said the attack was carried by a "heroic soldier of the caliphate who attacked the most famous nightclub where Christians were celebrating their pagan feast."" https://www.yahoo.com/news/reports-believed-behind-istanbul-nightclub-attack-071349545.html and after you finish explain that, perhaps you could explain why no one is screaming for Turkey to tighten up it's gun laws like they do everytime there is a shooting in the states.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded (1/2/2017 3:00:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX So, what does "Allahu Akbar" mean in Arabic again. Having a small amount of language expertise, I can answer this. It means: "Shoot me. I'm a bomb-tossing scumbag." [:D] Michael

PeonForHer -> RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded (1/2/2017 3:05:51 AM)
quote: Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know there were so many reasons to say that. Very interesting indeed. Now perhaps you can tell us what they meant when they said "The IS-linked Aamaq News Agency said the attack was carried by a "heroic soldier of the caliphate who attacked the most famous nightclub where Christians were celebrating their pagan feast."" I think our posts crossed - see my reply to Bosco. The point of my long post about how and when 'Allahu Akba' is said is that it could be used by anyone who was brought up as Muslim, despite his, for instance, now claiming to be a Marxist-Leninist and an atheist - in much the same way that you hear western ex-Christians atheists saying 'Oh God' or 'Jesus Christ!' quote: and after you finish explain that, perhaps you could explain why no one is screaming for Turkey to tighten up it's gun laws like they do everytime there is a shooting in the states. Why on earth would I want to try to explain that?

BamaD -> RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded (1/2/2017 4:04:54 AM)
FR And it continues there was a bombing in Baghdad 22 killed . Where does it end.

mnottertail -> RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded (1/2/2017 4:17:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterBrentC The religion of peace strikes again. Where have the xtians started another war now?

Awareness -> RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded (1/2/2017 4:38:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX So, what does "Allahu Akbar" mean in Arabic again. "I am a Kurdf"? "Happy New year"? Perhaps "Alt leftists are idiots"? quote: The gunman is seen casually strolling into the nightclub holding the weapon before carrying out the killing spree while reportedly shouting 'Allahu Akbar'. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4079942/Pictured-Female-security-guard-27-gunned-Istanbul-New-Year-terror-attack-nightclub.html#ixzz4UYXT7bLU Didn't you see the post I did before on this? "John Burgess, Former US Foreign Service Officer who's been around the block (and the world) a few times. Written Jan 12, 2015 Originally Answered: Why do many fighters in the Middle East say "Allahu Akbar" so very often? Muslim Arabs say "Allahu Akbar" all the time, not just in military operations. They say it when anything good happens, along with phrases like Alhamdulillah, to show that they credit God with good things. Sometimes, the phrase is actually religious in intent; sometimes, it's just the rote response to something happening. 20.8k Views · View Upvotes Downvote Comments2 Share Ali Qassim Ali Qassim, M.D. with a passion for knowledge Written Jun 30, 2012 To understand this phenomenon you have to know a little about Islam and Muslims. Muslims have a deep faith in predestination. They believe that god wills everything, and nothing occurs without the will of god. For example, Muslims constantly say Inshallah, which are actually two words: insha'a, which means 'if he wills', and Allah, when asked or ordered to do something. Even myself, being an atheist, have grown accustomed to using this term when asked a question or told to do something. A central tennet of Islam is the "kun fa yakoon". This is actually a part of the Quran, specifically, Surat Yaseen. What this statement means is: kun, which means in a commanding sense 'occur!' and fa yakun, which means 'and it occurs'. You will occasionally hear this. For example, I might tell a fellow Muslim, "Fellow Muslim, how did Allah create the universe?" And his answer might simply be "kun fa yakoon". This demonstrates the intensity of Gods involvement in everything in the Islamic religion. So, taking all that in, when Muslims scream 'Allahu akbar' (which means Allah the greatest, or Allah is great) they are reaffirming whatever is happening in accordance to Allah's will. When mourning, Allahu Akbar would signify God's predestination of this persons death. When about to go to war, Allahu Akbar would signify that the results occur according to Gods will, and God is with you thus whatever happens, you are righteous and will be rewarded accordingly, if not in this life, then the next. Before an exam, a Muslim may say Allahu akbar (or Bism illah which means in the name of Allah) and this would imply that 'I studied, I worked hard. I will score well if Allah wills, and if I don't then it is not for me to argue for Allah most likely has a plan'. In this light, it is easy to see how Muslims use that phrase in many occasions, including war, exams, prior to opening a business, when the elevator gets stuck, during a natural disaster, when killing an 'infidel', etc... It is reassurance that whatever happens, happens for a reason far greater than we might know." https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Muslims-repeat-the-phrase-allahu-akbar-God-is-great-in-many-contexts-from-weddings-to-battle-jubilation-to-shock-and-tragedy Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know there were so many reasons to say that. Very interesting indeed. Now perhaps you can tell us what they meant when they said "The IS-linked Aamaq News Agency said the attack was carried by a "heroic soldier of the caliphate who attacked the most famous nightclub where Christians were celebrating their pagan feast."" https://www.yahoo.com/news/reports-believed-behind-istanbul-nightclub-attack-071349545.html Oh, I dunno, maybe because it's actually a fucking terrorist attack which the idiot Leftists here keep trying to pretend is somehow unrelated to Islam. quote: and after you finish explain that, perhaps you could explain why no one is screaming for Turkey to tighten up it's gun laws like they do everytime there is a shooting in the states. Turkey is actually a fairly modern parliamentary republic which, up until recently, has been pretty damn secular despite its majority Islam population. However when it comes to gun control, Turkey is already ahead of the US on that score. Fully and semi-automatic weapons are prohibited, background checks are mandatory and you must have a genuine reason for wanting a firearm license. Turkey has a population of around 75 million, roughly 1/4 of that of the US. Despite that, their total gun deaths are 1/15th of those in the US with approximately 1800 deaths in 2013. So, in answer to your question, the reason nobody screams for tighter gun control in Turkey is because they already have it and it's already working. Really, people - a little research would go a long way.

Awareness -> RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded (1/2/2017 4:41:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer I think our posts crossed - see my reply to Bosco. The point of my long post about how and when 'Allahu Akba' is said is that it could be used by anyone who was brought up as Muslim, despite his, for instance, now claiming to be a Marxist-Leninist and an atheist - in much the same way that you hear western ex-Christians atheists saying 'Oh God' or 'Jesus Christ!' That's disingenuous. While the phrase has use in multiple contexts, when it's used by a gunman pumping bullets into innocent civilians it's effectively a claim that what he's doing has the seal of approval from God himself. So, yeah. When a gunman uses that phrase, you can be pretty sure it's an Islamic terrorist attack.

mnottertail -> RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded (1/2/2017 4:49:50 AM)
Sort of a Gott mit Uns, or a God and country, or a in God we trust, sort of thing, then.

PeonForHer -> RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded (1/2/2017 5:01:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer I think our posts crossed - see my reply to Bosco. The point of my long post about how and when 'Allahu Akba' is said is that it could be used by anyone who was brought up as Muslim, despite his, for instance, now claiming to be a Marxist-Leninist and an atheist - in much the same way that you hear western ex-Christians atheists saying 'Oh God' or 'Jesus Christ!' That's disingenuous. While the phrase has use in multiple contexts, when it's used by a gunman pumping bullets into innocent civilians it's effectively a claim that what he's doing has the seal of approval from God himself. So, yeah. When a gunman uses that phrase, you can be pretty sure it's an Islamic terrorist attack. Islamic, but not necessarily Islamist. "Islamism, also known as Political Islam (Arabic: إسلام سياسي‎‎ islām siyāsī), is an Islamic revival movement often characterized by moral conservatism, and the attempt "to implement Islamic values in all spheres of life."[1" That wouldn't describe the PKK. Though, as I said, the PKK doesn't ordinarily attack civilians.

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