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tamaka -> RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? (1/3/2017 8:42:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub How many ways must we make available to the young and weak the ability to poison their minds, bodies, and spirits? Are not the legal drugs available now enough? Damn...grow up. Actually... it does quite the opposite... if you use it while doing yoga and meditation.

kdsub -> RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? (1/3/2017 8:46:10 PM)
Perhaps you are not weak minded... but should we not try to protect those that are at my and your expense of abstaining from an unneeded luxury?

heavyblinker -> RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? (1/3/2017 9:53:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Perhaps you are not weak minded... but should we not try to protect those that are at my and your expense of abstaining from an unneeded luxury? So what's the solution? Death squads? Weed has been illegal for decades and yet it was rare that I was ever in a situation where I couldn't get it easily. The only difference between legal and illegal is that if it's legal it can be regulated and you know it's not coming from Mexican gangsters.

Termyn8or -> RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? (1/4/2017 4:56:26 AM)
Why do you care where it comes from ? They are only gangsters because the law forced them to be gangsters. You don't care where the opiates in hospitals come from. The poppies are grown in Afghanistan, but growing them for that purpose is the death penalty under the Taliban. Guess why they had to go. Now we got a bunch of Afghan assholes raping little boys as our soldiers are told to look the other way. Can't be Muslim because that is homosexuality. That is also the death penalty under Islamic law, however a more civilized country like Iran might give you a free sex change operation in lieu of death. Not that it's right, but neither are those Afghan pigs. I say let the come and sell their drugs. At the border "Anything to declare ?". "Yes, five kilos", "So this is business then ?", "Yes". They are not going to take our jobs, in fact they provide pot for low income people. The good stuff is like $400 an ounce, even though it is grown here and does not have to deal with the border. And making it legal in Colorado did not bring the price down. Not from what I've heard. The difference is they are raking in a million smackers a month in taxes from pot sales now. T^T

Musicmystery -> RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? (1/4/2017 5:43:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Why do you care where it comes from ? They are only gangsters because the law forced them to be gangsters. You don't care where the opiates in hospitals come from. The poppies are grown in Afghanistan, but growing them for that purpose is the death penalty under the Taliban. Guess why they had to go. Now we got a bunch of Afghan assholes raping little boys as our soldiers are told to look the other way. Can't be Muslim because that is homosexuality. That is also the death penalty under Islamic law, however a more civilized country like Iran might give you a free sex change operation in lieu of death. Not that it's right, but neither are those Afghan pigs. I say let the come and sell their drugs. At the border "Anything to declare ?". "Yes, five kilos", "So this is business then ?", "Yes". They are not going to take our jobs, in fact they provide pot for low income people. The good stuff is like $400 an ounce, even though it is grown here and does not have to deal with the border. And making it legal in Colorado did not bring the price down. Not from what I've heard. The difference is they are raking in a million smackers a month in taxes from pot sales now. T^T You're making stuff up. The poppy trade finances the Taliban in Afghanistan. Unless you are trying to say they don' t appreciate competition.

ExiledSlave -> RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? (1/4/2017 5:55:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterG2kTR I'm calling bullshit on this one.... Why is this "suddenly" popping up? If this is a real problem we would have seen this in hospitals and ER's steadily over the last 100 years and more. Marijuana has certainly been around that long and more in this country.....legal or not....and there have been plenty of people who consumed it daily over long periods. Should we not have seen a steady percentage of them with the same problems? Or has there been a sudden massive explosion of consumers in the states that are now legalized? It doesn't add up! ....and for what it's worth.....my experience was that pot always gave me the munchies.....not the pukies Benjamin Franklin always looked bulimic to me.

Termyn8or -> RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? (1/4/2017 6:25:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Why do you care where it comes from ? They are only gangsters because the law forced them to be gangsters. You don't care where the opiates in hospitals come from. The poppies are grown in Afghanistan, but growing them for that purpose is the death penalty under the Taliban. Guess why they had to go. Now we got a bunch of Afghan assholes raping little boys as our soldiers are told to look the other way. Can't be Muslim because that is homosexuality. That is also the death penalty under Islamic law, however a more civilized country like Iran might give you a free sex change operation in lieu of death. Not that it's right, but neither are those Afghan pigs. I say let the come and sell their drugs. At the border "Anything to declare ?". "Yes, five kilos", "So this is business then ?", "Yes". They are not going to take our jobs, in fact they provide pot for low income people. The good stuff is like $400 an ounce, even though it is grown here and does not have to deal with the border. And making it legal in Colorado did not bring the price down. Not from what I've heard. The difference is they are raking in a million smackers a month in taxes from pot sales now. T^T You're making stuff up. The poppy trade finances the Taliban in Afghanistan. Unless you are trying to say they don' t appreciate competition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_production_in_Afghanistan T^T

Lucylastic -> RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? (1/4/2017 6:31:41 AM)
poppies arent the topic of the convo tho, pot is. PS update on your colorado pot tax... http://www.denverpost.com/2016/10/26/colorado-weed-economic-impact-report/ 2.5 billion in taxes for 2015. Also Legal U.S. Marijuana Market Will Grow To $7.1 Billion In 2016: Report http://www.forbes.com/sites/katiesola/2016/04/19/legal-u-s-marijuana-market-will-grow-to-7-1-billion-in-2016-report/#51993f69568d Id rather give tax money for education and the state than to drug cartels.... OF course, how much of it actually gets help to the people of the state, is the question.

heavyblinker -> RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? (1/4/2017 6:37:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or You don't care where the opiates in hospitals come from. The poppies are grown in Afghanistan, but growing them for that purpose is the death penalty under the Taliban. Guess why they had to go. Now we got a bunch of Afghan assholes raping little boys as our soldiers are told to look the other way. Can't be Muslim because that is homosexuality. That is also the death penalty under Islamic law, however a more civilized country like Iran might give you a free sex change operation in lieu of death. Not that it's right, but neither are those Afghan pigs. I say let the come and sell their drugs. At the border "Anything to declare ?". "Yes, five kilos", "So this is business then ?", "Yes". They are not going to take our jobs, in fact they provide pot for low income people. The good stuff is like $400 an ounce, even though it is grown here and does not have to deal with the border. And making it legal in Colorado did not bring the price down. Not from what I've heard. The difference is they are raking in a million smackers a month in taxes from pot sales now. T^T Wait... are you saying that you think that hospitals across the US are financing the TALIBAN??? What are you smoking to have come to this conclusion?! If you had done ANY reading on the subject at all, you would know that legal opium is grown in India, Turkey, and Australia by LEGAL operations that don't have any connections to terrorism. www.deamuseum.org/ccp/opium/production-distribution.html And even if the US did decide to allow Afghanistan to produce opium legally, I can guarantee that they wouldn't be recruiting the Taliban to spearhead that effort! I mean, come on... And if you buy weed from Mexican gangsters you're financing gang violence and murder. You don't see a problem with that? I don't know why you think I thought that the price would come down with legalization... usually when the government gets involved the result is taxation, which raises the price. Regulation and taxation have actually done A LOT to encourage people to stop smoking cigarettes... I actually think that if your goal is to get people to stop doing it, making something ridiculously unaffordable is probably more effective than banning it outright.

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? (1/4/2017 7:17:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Some time ago, I pondered whether or not there were "hidden dangers" to legalized dope. Well, I detest people who say "I told ya so", but: Huff-Poo article: quote: Dr. David Steinbruner, an emergency room physician at Memorial Hospital in Colorado Springs, believes it’s likely triggered with a significant amount of marijuana. “The corollary would be alcohol. So small amounts may be fine for people, but over a long time it will cause all kinds of problems,” Steinbruner told KDRO-TV. The condition (CHS) seems to not be permenant necessarily, but for people who become addicted (like they do to alcohol), it could wind up being very serious to deadly. Michael More Republican big government faux conservative nonsense. Pot has some bad effects and somee good effects. We continue to discover more and more of both. So what? There are millions of legal substances that can cause horrible health problems. Bleach for instance. Drinking bleach can make you sick and possibly die. Let's ban bleach and creaate yet another criminal black market! Pot Prohibition does absolutely NOTHING to keep people from smoking pot. PERIOD. We have decades of data on this. It does, however, line the coffers of criminal cartels in Mexico. We have decades of data on this too. Thiese facts have been so empirically true for so long. I thought this nonsensical argument had died. I was wrong.

Lucylastic -> RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? (1/4/2017 7:33:34 AM)
stupid people hold stupid theories....

Termyn8or -> RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? (1/4/2017 8:06:32 AM)
"Wait... are you saying that you think that hospitals across the US are financing the TALIBAN??? " No, I said THE EXACT FUCKING OPPOSITE. Learn to read. T^T

DaddySatyr -> RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? (1/4/2017 8:26:35 AM)
Between the people that just didn't understand the premise and the butt-hurt little minds that just came here to call names, the point of the initial post has been missed: Two years ago, when Colorado (for example) was fixin' to be one of the first states to legalize pot, there were some of us (myself, included) who warned that there were things that we didn't know about that would become issues. I have been conflicted on this issue because I believe it's none of my business what you put into your body (I'd like to suggest large amounts of arsenic for some of you). That said, thanks to the way our society is headed, it IS my business what you put into your body because of how it affects me (insurance premiums, etc.). I would call kidney failure a pretty serious condition and, when someone is locked in the grip of addiction, saying something like: "All they have to do is stop/cut down on their usage" seems pretty logical to most. To an addict it sounds like: "All you have to do is stop breathing" to the rest of us. Moral equivalency isn't going to work. I'd be in favor of getting rid of alcohol, also. Why is it though that a large portion of people can't see past their own nose? "I like getting high so, you're not taking this away from me, but I'll take your shit away from you"? Simple minds = No discussion/solution. Michael

Termyn8or -> RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? (1/4/2017 8:32:43 AM)
"I would call kidney failure a pretty serious condition and..." Correlation is not causation. Plus the fact, who cares ? T^T

Lucylastic -> RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? (1/4/2017 8:34:45 AM)
Could you point out to me in the ACTUAL study where the "kidney failure" stats are???

Termyn8or -> RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? (1/4/2017 8:35:48 AM)
Plus McDonald's causes more disease than pot ever could. But everyone got up in arms when NYC tried to do something about it. Not McD's but now they can't fry stuff in certain kinds of oil. Did they get the big soda ban passed ? People who want to legislate shit like this have no business in this country. Try Singapore, everything is illegal there. T^T

Musicmystery -> RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? (1/4/2017 8:36:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Between the people that just didn't understand the premise and the butt-hurt little minds that just came here to call names, the point of the initial post has been missed: Simple minds = No discussion/solution. Michael Probably would help if you weren't one of the name callers, including calling them names in your complaint.

Lucylastic -> RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? (1/4/2017 8:42:59 AM)
I thought suggesting arsenic was such a delightful idea.

Lucylastic -> RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? (1/4/2017 8:47:25 AM)
interesting info from the Orange Country Register I included a couple of their charts, but links and more graphics can be found at the link. California's marijuana production is already mind boggling http://www.ocregister.com/articles/infographic-739746-marijuana-california.html California was known as a major marijuana-producing state before it legalized recreational use. Just how big of a producer may surprise you. As of Nov. 9, adults in California were allowed to grow up to six marijuana plants per household as long as the area is locked and not visible from a public place. Rules may vary depending on municipal restrictions. Purchasing marijuana for recreational use will not be allowed until 2018. Major growth One indication of how much marijuana is grown in California is the number of plants seized by law enforcement on federal lands. Here are some of the largest areas where trespass cultivation occurred in 2013 in national forests. Why on public lands? A lot of outdoor cannabis cultivation in California occurs on public lands, where cultivators take advantage of remote areas to avoid risk of forfeiture of property. Outdoor growing can yield more per plant and have less overhead than indoor growing. California has 1.3 million acres of state park land and more than 8 million acres of national forest and wilderness. Estimated market total The United Nations World Drug Report estimates that law enforcement around the world seizes only 10 to 20 percent of drugs produced. If the marijuana plants seized in 2015 (2.64 million) are considered to be 20 percent of California’s production, the state would have had 13.2 million plants. If each plant produced a conservatively estimated 1 pound with a market price of $1,765 per pound, the total value would equal about $23.3 billion. Colorado voted in 2012 to legalize recreational use of marijuana, which led to legalization in 2014. The charts below show how prices for marijuana declined in the state, while the taxes raised from it increased. California is likely to have the same situation but on a much larger scale. Prices down After-tax prices for recreational cannabis in Washington state after legalization show the cost to consumers was nearly cut in half. [image]http://files.onset.freedom.com/ocregister/news/2016/focus/FOCUS_pot_farms/wholesale-price.png[/image] Tax revenue rises Monthly revenue from retail sales tax, excise tax, and fees for licenses and applications in Colorado. Note: California has more than seven times the population of Colorado.[image]http://files.onset.freedom.com/ocregister/news/2016/focus/FOCUS_pot_farms/taxes.png[/image] The map below uses data from the website PriceOfWeed.com, which tracks prices on the black market and at legal dispensaries. It shows that the states that legalized recreational marijuana have the lowest prices, whereas states such as North Dakota, where marijuana is strictly prohibited, have the highest. [image]http://files.onset.freedom.com/ocregister/news/2016/focus/FOCUS_pot_farms/prices.png[/image] Sources: California Department of Agriculture, Drug Enforcement Agency, Leafly.com, U.S. Department of Justice, Washington State Liquor and Cannabis Board, Priceofweed.com

stef -> RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? (1/4/2017 9:18:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr That said, thanks to the way our society is headed, it IS my business what you put into your body because of how it affects me (insurance premiums, etc.). As someone whose profile pic for years had them with a cigarette hanging out of their mouth, you can add this latest hypocritical log onto your bullshit fire.

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