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RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? - 1/5/2017 3:46:23 AM

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Weed is actually legal in several places.

I know it is. It's completely legal in Amsterdam. My point is, I don't understand why people aren't attacking cigarettes that has zero health benefits and been killing people rather than go after marijuana.
To me that is the greater evil.

Because they tax cigarettes and if they make them illegal, they would lose all that money.

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RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? - 1/5/2017 4:36:47 AM

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Wicked smokes and he can hump a women so deliciously decadently that steam would shoot from her nether regions and cause to enter the state known as orgasmic bewilderment for days upon end.

Oh cigs – yes those and those are bad – but I can whip out what is a toxin, where be these toxins; atmosphere, food chain etc

What is a drug – another argument path we could meander down – caffeine, nicotine, cake etc….or what cause a high…choc, exercise etc

Legalizing cannabis – no problem with that keeps the cash out the drug lords hands. But driving, shooty the gun, etc under the influence not so good.

I tried cannabis a couple times for my CFS/ME - just made me feel iller. Ive a friend who uses is for her multiple sclerosis and she say it helps I am prepared to accept her word.

So yes I am okay with it but with some misgivings - as for heavy use for no particular reason than to enter a state of blur hmm.

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RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? - 1/5/2017 3:02:23 PM

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Some time ago, I pondered whether or not there were "hidden dangers" to legalized dope.

Well, I detest people who say "I told ya so", but:

Huff-Poo article:

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Dr. David Steinbruner, an emergency room physician at Memorial Hospital in Colorado Springs, believes it’s likely triggered with a significant amount of marijuana. “The corollary would be alcohol. So small amounts may be fine for people, but over a long time it will cause all kinds of problems,” Steinbruner told KDRO-TV.

The condition (CHS) seems to not be permenant necessarily, but for people who become addicted (like they do to alcohol), it could wind up being very serious to deadly.

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A) It's well known that in states where marijuana is readily available the consumption of painkillers has dropped substantially.
B) The pharmaceutical industry is fighting legalisation of marijuana, as can be seen here, here and here. Consequently, scare stories about weed need to be taken with a grain of salt.
C) Marijuana is not addictive.
D) I've never smoked the stuff - can't stand the smell.

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RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? - 1/5/2017 3:07:52 PM

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A) I'll accept that on your word. I do not have any knowledge of such numbers.
B) I'm not sure, but I would think it would have to be more than a "scare story" for the pro-pot HuffPoo to carry the story, but you may be right.
C) You're wrong, as I stated in a subsequent post from the one you quoted.
D) I have (although it's been over 30 years) and I am speaking through some personal knowledge.

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RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? - 1/5/2017 3:08:55 PM

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I'd be interested to see more data, mainly, is this government approved, prescribed, dispensed marijuana? Can you say paraquat?

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RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? - 1/5/2017 3:14:44 PM

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Some time ago, I pondered whether or not there were "hidden dangers" to legalized dope.

Well, I detest people who say "I told ya so", but:

Huff-Poo article:

quote:

Dr. David Steinbruner, an emergency room physician at Memorial Hospital in Colorado Springs, believes it’s likely triggered with a significant amount of marijuana. “The corollary would be alcohol. So small amounts may be fine for people, but over a long time it will cause all kinds of problems,” Steinbruner told KDRO-TV.

The condition (CHS) seems to not be permenant necessarily, but for people who become addicted (like they do to alcohol), it could wind up being very serious to deadly.

Michael

A) It's well known that in states where marijuana is readily available the consumption of painkillers has dropped substantially.
B) The pharmaceutical industry is fighting legalisation of marijuana, as can be seen here, here and here. Consequently, scare stories about weed need to be taken with a grain of salt.
C) Marijuana is not addictive.
D) I've never smoked the stuff - can't stand the smell.

The cheap stuff stinks. The good stuff smells wonderful. Of course, it is probably an acquired smell.

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RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? - 1/5/2017 3:26:40 PM

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All the publicized issues of legal pot, real, imaginary or made up, have to be seen in opposition to the vast obscenity of all the prison time, ruined lives and public tax burden from a legal system run amok trying to enforce a twisted morality.
No, I'm not happy seeing so much pot smoked with no education as to the downsides, nor the risks to both users and 'innocent bystanders'. But it sure beats kids doing hard time and families broken apart by a penal system that's worse than any health issue besides weapons of mass destruction.

Ed: not 'replying' to anyone, just posting to address the thread directly

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RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? - 1/5/2017 3:32:20 PM

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It actually depends on the strain...not the price.

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RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? - 1/5/2017 3:36:22 PM

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It actually depends on the strain...not the price.

Oh..ok. The best stuff i ever had was in Hawaii.

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RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? - 1/5/2017 3:38:59 PM

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According to Center for Behavioral Health Statistics and Quality (CBHSQ). Behavioral Health Trends in the United States: Results from the 2014 National Survey on Drug Use and Health. Rockville, MD: Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration; 2015. HHS Publication No. SMA 15-4927, NSDUH Series H-50.

In 2014, 4.176 million people in the U.S. abused or were dependent on marijuana. No figures on addiction given...

I havent looked at the cdc figures, but this came from....https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/marijuana-addictive.

Of course... are gov sites reliable, after all the bs we have been fed when its benefits are obvious..... and the lack of hemp being used.... Pharma and fossil fuels...oh yeah!!

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RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? - 1/5/2017 3:56:45 PM

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It actually depends on the strain...not the price.

Oh..ok. The best stuff i ever had was in Hawaii.

Ive never been to hawaii:) and prices vary so much, according to the info I posted I think it was yesterday.
legal, medicinal and otherwise.

heres the link to the post regarding the prices, and production for california specifically but there is a lot of other info in there.

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RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? - 1/5/2017 4:10:52 PM

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Instead of asking whether there is a reason to legalize, ask whether there was ever a real reason to criminalize.

I still find it ironic that so much of the "war on drugs" started about the time there were going to be massive layoffs of the extra enforcement personnel hired to prosecute alcohol prohibition.

If you dig into the deep dark depths of the political history of criminalizing pharmaceuticals you find that cocaine and marijuana were criminalized in a deal to allow federal regulations on opium. Back in the 1920s-1930s; cocaine and marijuana were a "poor man's high" used by those that couldn't even afford bootleg whiskey. In perspective; criminalizing drugs only made for a lucrative, toxic, and murderous black market.

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RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? - 1/5/2017 6:57:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Some time ago, I pondered whether or not there were "hidden dangers" to legalized dope.
Well, I detest people who say "I told ya so", but:
Huff-Poo article:

quote:

Dr. David Steinbruner, an emergency room physician at Memorial Hospital in Colorado Springs, believes it’s likely triggered with a significant amount of marijuana. “The corollary would be alcohol. So small amounts may be fine for people, but over a long time it will cause all kinds of problems,” Steinbruner told KDRO-TV.

The condition (CHS) seems to not be permenant necessarily, but for people who become addicted (like they do to alcohol), it could wind up being very serious to deadly.
Michael

You must have missed this:

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In its [CHS] most severe form, the illness can lead to kidney failure — but symptoms stop within days of ending marijuana use.

It's an issue for heavy use over a period of time. Cutting back "should" result in a lower risk of getting it. But, what is the whole "hot shower" taking care of the symptoms?!? Do heavy pot smokers not take hot showers?

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RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? - 1/5/2017 7:40:51 PM

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You must have missed this:
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In its [CHS] most severe form, the illness can lead to kidney failure — but symptoms stop within days of ending marijuana use.

It's an issue for heavy use over a period of time. Cutting back "should" result in a lower risk of getting it. But, what is the whole "hot shower" taking care of the symptoms?!? Do heavy pot smokers not take hot showers?

No. I didn't:

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Anything 'sickness' that can be relieved with a hot shower is not something i would worry about.

I'm guessing you didn't read the article.

The abdominal pain and vomiting can be abated by a hot shower or bath. The kidney failure - according to the article - only by not smoking the demon weed so much.

Michael

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RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? - 1/5/2017 7:43:46 PM

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Maybe it's not a good idea to let sugar and high fat foods be legal. Maybe it's not a good idea to let people drive cars. These can have terrible consequences. Do you want freedom or not? Because it has its price. Prohibition in any form doesn't work. Get the fuck over it.

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RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? - 1/5/2017 7:53:32 PM

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Hey...the real issue is ou can't stand to see anyone getting high.
Let's make sex illegal, too! Oh, and BDSM can't be legal either in a world where adults can't make decisions for themselves to. Exactly where do you plan to stop imposing our beliefs on everyone else? Where does that end? Just stop already.

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RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? - 1/5/2017 8:53:21 PM

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The other thing is that just because one person might have an issue with something doesn't mean the other 99 people who don't should be punished for it. Just like alcohol, fast food, and anything else some people can enjoy in moderation and other people who lack self- discipline can't moderate themself and overdo it to their own personal detriment.

As a side note i would say if you aren't a person who can master yourself you have no business trying to master anyone else.

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RE: Legalized Pot: Still A Good Idea? - 1/5/2017 8:56:26 PM

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I know this is a bullshit article because any person that smokes weed will tell you that if they hit a joint that makes them vomit.....that's a good thing.....lol.

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