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The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/3/2017 8:18:10 AM   
vincentML


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Status: offline 		By now, it’s clear that religion is fading in America, as it has done in most advanced Western democracies.

Dozens of surveys find identical evidence: Fewer American adults, especially those under 30, attend church — or even belong to a church. They tell interviewers their religion is “none.” They ignore faith.

Since 1990, the “nones” have exploded rapidly as a sociological phenomenon — from 10 percent of U.S. adults, to 15 percent, to 20 percent. Now they’ve climbed to 25 percent, according to a 2016 survey by the Public Religion Research Institute.

That makes them the nation’s largest faith category, outstripping Catholics (21 percent) and white evangelicals (16 percent). They seem on a trajectory to become an outright majority. America is following the secular path of Europe, Canada, Australia, Japan, New Zealand and other modern places. The Secular Age is snowballing.

Various explanations for the social transformation are postulated: That the Internet exposes young people to a wide array of ideas and practices that undercut old-time beliefs. That family breakdown severs traditional participation in congregations. That the young have grown cynical about authority of all types. That fundamentalist hostility to gays and abortion has soured tolerant-minded Americans. That clergy child-molesting scandals have scuttled church claims to moral superiority. That faith-based suicide bombings and other religious murders horrify normal folks.

All those factors undoubtedly play a role. But I want to offer a simpler explanation: In the scientific 21st century, it’s less plausible to believe in invisible gods, devils, heavens, hells, angels, demons — plus virgin births, resurrections, miracles, messiahs, prophecies, faith-healings, visions, incarnations, divine visitations and other supernatural claims. Magical thinking is suspect, ludicrous. It’s not for intelligent, educated people.

Significantly, the PRRI study found that the foremost reason young people gave for leaving religion is this clincher: They stopped believing miraculous church dogmas.

ARTICLE HERE

If the trend continues the right wing Republican theocratic alliance is doomed.

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/3/2017 8:24:21 AM   
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Status: online 		Too bad the primitive cult known as Islam fails to modernize, change, or evolve in any significant way

Other than utilizing modern explosives and arms to destroy ancient relics and populations etc of course

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/3/2017 8:51:00 AM   
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Too bad the primitive cult known as Islam fails to modernize, change, or evolve in any significant way

Other than utilizing modern explosives and arms to destroy ancient relics and populations etc of course


They DID change.
Then some guys came along and made Islam great again.

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/3/2017 9:06:06 AM   
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Too bad the primitive cult known as Islam fails to modernize, change, or evolve in any significant way

Other than utilizing modern explosives and arms to destroy ancient relics and populations etc of course


They DID change.
Then some guys came along and made Islam great again.


When was Islam great, when Mohammad was raping his under age slaves

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/3/2017 9:10:08 AM   
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When was Islam great, when Mohammad was raping his under age slaves


Seems Mohammed and Trump have something in common.

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/3/2017 9:20:53 AM   
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When was Islam great, when Mohammad was raping his under age slaves


Seems Mohammed and Trump have something in common.


The alt left really loves their fake news...

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/3/2017 9:35:46 AM   
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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/3/2017 9:35:46 AM   
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If the trend continues the right wing Republican theocratic alliance is doomed.

Yes. However in its death throes it may turn out to be even more vicious than we are already accustomed to.

If the GOP's adoption of Trump proves anything, it is that when push comes to shove the right's attempts to cling onto power will be as ruthless and devoid of principle as The Mop himself. The US can look forward to 4 years of wholesale gerrymandering and ever increasing restrictions on the right to vote as it seeks to entrench itself in power in the knowledge that its core constituency is slowly dying off. Nothing will be off limits.

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/3/2017 9:39:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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When was Islam great, when Mohammad was raping his under age slaves


Seems Mohammed and Trump have something in common.


The alt left really loves their fake news...


I'm not saying it is, but with any discussion that occurs on your level, why the fuck would it even matter?

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/3/2017 10:54:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
When was Islam great, when Mohammad was raping his under age slaves


Seems Mohammed and Trump have something in common.


The alt left really loves their fake news...


I'm not saying it is, but with any discussion that occurs on your level, why the fuck would it even matter?


"My level..."

That's really funny, coming from you, Arpig

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/3/2017 11:08:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: vincentML


If the trend continues the right wing Republican theocratic alliance is doomed.

Yes. However in its death throes it may turn out to be even more vicious than we are already accustomed to.

If the GOP's adoption of Trump proves anything, it is that when push comes to shove the right's attempts to cling onto power will be as ruthless and devoid of principle as The Mop himself. The US can look forward to 4 years of wholesale gerrymandering and ever increasing restrictions on the right to vote as it seeks to entrench itself in power in the knowledge that its core constituency is slowly dying off. Nothing will be off limits.

They can (and will) get a lot worse than that sorry piece of shit, sadly. Hell, they've just legitimised the altlunatic right over the last year and a bit, haven't they?

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/3/2017 11:16:27 AM   
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http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/americas-changing-religious-landscape/

and as for this:

quote:

All those factors undoubtedly play a role. But I want to offer a simpler explanation: In the scientific 21st century, it’s less plausible to believe in invisible gods, devils, heavens, hells, angels, demons — plus virgin births, resurrections, miracles, messiahs, prophecies, faith-healings, visions, incarnations, divine visitations and other supernatural claims. Magical thinking is suspect, ludicrous. It’s not for intelligent, educated people.


I either say---intelligence and faith are not mutually exclusive, adding in, that some of the most intelligent/inventive/creative people in modern time and throughout history have been believers associated with the church,

or

youre a pompous ass.

whichever one works better.


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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/3/2017 12:22:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bounty44

theres more definitive information here:

http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/americas-changing-religious-landscape/

and as for this:

quote:

All those factors undoubtedly play a role. But I want to offer a simpler explanation: In the scientific 21st century, it’s less plausible to believe in invisible gods, devils, heavens, hells, angels, demons — plus virgin births, resurrections, miracles, messiahs, prophecies, faith-healings, visions, incarnations, divine visitations and other supernatural claims. Magical thinking is suspect, ludicrous. It’s not for intelligent, educated people.


I either say---intelligence and faith are not mutually exclusive, adding in, that some of the most intelligent/inventive/creative people in modern time and throughout history have been believers associated with the church,

or

youre a pompous ass.

whichever one works better.



Ahhhh . . . just could not resist the ad hoc smack at the end

In history, yeah. As Galileo discovered, the Church had this little thingy called the Inquisition.


However, a 1998 survey of leading and eminent research scientists informs us:

Disbelief in God and immortality among NAS biological scientists was 65.2% and 69.0%, respectively, and among NAS physical scientists it was 79.0% and 76.3%. Most of the rest were agnostics on both issues, with few believers. We found the highest percentage of belief among NAS mathematicians (14.3% in God, 15.0% in immortality). Biological scientists had the lowest rate of belief (5.5% in God, 7.1% in immortality), with physicists and astronomers slightly higher (7.5% in God, 7.5% in immortality). https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/sci_relig.htm

So, modern times not so much.

Thanks for playing but you are wrong.

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/3/2017 12:46:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bounty44

theres more definitive information here:

http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/americas-changing-religious-landscape/

and as for this:

quote:

All those factors undoubtedly play a role. But I want to offer a simpler explanation: In the scientific 21st century, it’s less plausible to believe in invisible gods, devils, heavens, hells, angels, demons — plus virgin births, resurrections, miracles, messiahs, prophecies, faith-healings, visions, incarnations, divine visitations and other supernatural claims. Magical thinking is suspect, ludicrous. It’s not for intelligent, educated people.


I either say---intelligence and faith are not mutually exclusive, adding in, that some of the most intelligent/inventive/creative people in modern time and throughout history have been believers associated with the church,

or

youre a pompous ass.

whichever one works better.





people are philosophically handicapped today and have no clue that atheism is also a religion. They go to any extreme to claim an exemption because they cannot fathom the depths, and mere look at the surface to find the word religion and mindlessly proclaim religion must be the enemy.

No different really than the stone age days of the evil telephone with the voices of spirits, therefore very very evol! LOL




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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/3/2017 12:52:44 PM   
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so explain how you believe science can explain religion when science requires equally or more 'faith' than religions that believe in a supreme being?

Isnt that a bit hypocritical?

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/3/2017 12:53:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
When was Islam great, when Mohammad was raping his under age slaves


Seems Mohammed and Trump have something in common.


Cite.

And tell me why they would (if they did) come forward now that he is one of the most powerful people in the world but were too afraid when he was just a regular billionaire.

Same shit with Bill Cosby. Decades later they come out of the woodwork, like a 16 year old at the Playboy mansion. Just WTF was a 16 year old doing there ?

I can understand the Priests (and some Rabbis actually) because when young they fear god. Then they get older.

The time to report a rape is when you got that DNA all over. Even years ago without the DNA they could do tissue matching.

But you made an accusation and had you gone really public with it and no evidence I would support tort law that would allow you to be sued and lose everything you have. How does that grabya ?

T^T

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/3/2017 5:03:52 PM   
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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/3/2017 5:24:56 PM   
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By now, it’s clear that religion is fading in America, as it has done in most advanced Western democracies.

Dozens of surveys find identical evidence: Fewer American adults, especially those under 30, attend church — or even belong to a church. They tell interviewers their religion is “none.” They ignore faith.

Since 1990, the “nones” have exploded rapidly as a sociological phenomenon — from 10 percent of U.S. adults, to 15 percent, to 20 percent. Now they’ve climbed to 25 percent, according to a 2016 survey by the Public Religion Research Institute.

That makes them the nation’s largest faith category, outstripping Catholics (21 percent) and white evangelicals (16 percent). They seem on a trajectory to become an outright majority. America is following the secular path of Europe, Canada, Australia, Japan, New Zealand and other modern places. The Secular Age is snowballing.

Various explanations for the social transformation are postulated: That the Internet exposes young people to a wide array of ideas and practices that undercut old-time beliefs. That family breakdown severs traditional participation in congregations. That the young have grown cynical about authority of all types. That fundamentalist hostility to gays and abortion has soured tolerant-minded Americans. That clergy child-molesting scandals have scuttled church claims to moral superiority. That faith-based suicide bombings and other religious murders horrify normal folks.

All those factors undoubtedly play a role. But I want to offer a simpler explanation: In the scientific 21st century, it’s less plausible to believe in invisible gods, devils, heavens, hells, angels, demons — plus virgin births, resurrections, miracles, messiahs, prophecies, faith-healings, visions, incarnations, divine visitations and other supernatural claims. Magical thinking is suspect, ludicrous. It’s not for intelligent, educated people.

Significantly, the PRRI study found that the foremost reason young people gave for leaving religion is this clincher: They stopped believing miraculous church dogmas.

ARTICLE HERE

If the trend continues the right wing Republican theocratic alliance is doomed.


And interestingly enough, what you said was predicted in the Bible as happening in the End Times... just like the stuff going on with Israel. Pretty interesting.

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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/3/2017 6:18:41 PM   
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Too bad it's only Christianity fading off. What a scary world it's gonna be when Islam take religious dominance.

Which is why also, I am putting my full support behind Christianity.

I rather deal with them trying to ban abortion and divorce than deal with Muslims wanting to stone women to death for getting themselves rape, and death penalty for people who wants to leave Islam.

Which is the worst evil?





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RE: The Long Slow Death of Religion - 1/3/2017 6:30:35 PM   
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Too bad the primitive cult known as Islam fails to modernize, change, or evolve in any significant way

Other than utilizing modern explosives and arms to destroy ancient relics and populations etc of course


They DID change.
Then some guys came along and made Islam great again.


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