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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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John 1:3

All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

ALL THINGS-- as far as I can tell, that includes everything that has happened, everything that is happening, and everything that will happen.

A thing is an object, a happening is an event, and you are an illiterate.

K.

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Definition of thing

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a : a matter of concern : affair <many things to do>b things plural : state of affairs in general or within a specified or implied sphere <things are improving>c : a particular state of affairs : situation <look at this thing another way>d : event, circumstance <that shooting was a terrible thing>

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a : deed, act, accomplishment <do great things>b : a product of work or activity <likes to build things>c : the aim of effort or activity <the thing is to get well>

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a : a separate and distinct individual quality, fact, idea, or usually entityb : the concrete entity as distinguished from its appearancesc : a spatial entityd : an inanimate object distinguished from a living being

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a things plural : possessions, effects <pack your things>b : whatever may be possessed or owned or be the object of a rightc : an article of clothing <not a thing to wear>d things plural : equipment or utensils especially for a particular purpose <bring the tea things>

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: an object or entity not precisely designated or capable of being designated <use this thing>

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a : detail, point <checks every little thing>b : a material or substance of a specified kind <avoid fatty things>

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a : a spoken or written observation or pointb : idea, notion <says the first thing he thinks of>c : a piece of news or information <couldn't get a thing out of him>

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: individual <not a living thing in sight>

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: the proper or fashionable way of behaving, talking, or dressing —used with the

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a : a mild obsession or phobia <has a thing about driving>; also : the object of such an obsession or phobiab : something (such as an activity) that makes a strong appeal to the individual : forte, specialty <letting students do their own thing — Newsweek> <I think travelling is very much a novelist's thing — Philip Larkin>

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
Actually, the only seemingly impossible task here is to get certain people to read and understand English. The topic is whether Science and Religion are incompatible, not whether Science and a particular notion of "God" are incompatible.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The secret word is context.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
Well, I thought confronting him with the fact that he had no case would shut him up. But I should have known better, and I don't expect it to work with you either.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

I did specify which God I was talking about. MM expanded the discussion, or he tried to. I made no reference to Buddhists or to the Hindu gods. MM introduced those straw men.

It's true that you specified the Christian God, but it is not true that MM expanded the discussion. Rather, it's a case of you trying to narrow and divert it. The topic title considers the broad sweep of religion. Its focus isn't the Christian God, and the "problem of evil" which so preoccupies you not only has nothing to do with topic, it isn't even a problem for religion generally. I don't know why you find it necessary to pollute every attempt at intelligent discussion with your peculiar obsessions, but your ludicrous attempt to accuse others of trying to "expand" the discussion is really quite droll.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The secret word is context.

But if all things includes all of space and all of time, then time is not linear and events were also made when God made all things. They don't actually happen, the 'happening' is our perception of them.

In your statement you didn't mention context at all... you were proclaiming that things and objects were the same, which is why you got the response you did (and I even asked about context).

Oh, and you're a stupid cunt.

I didn't "mention" the context? Ferfucksake, I quoted it. And you provided it: The Gospel of John. The context of John 1:3 is "in the beginning," and non-linear time doesn't have a beginning. But hey, keep swinging. The poor lonely brain cell obviously needs the exercise, and I think it's helping. You're becoming more creative.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
The context of John 1:3 is "in the beginning," and non-linear time doesn't have a beginning. But hey, keep swinging. The poor lonely brain cell obviously needs the exercise, and I think it's helping. You're becoming more creative.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The secret word is context.

But if all things includes all of space and all of time, then time is not linear and events were also made when God made all things. They don't actually happen, the 'happening' is our perception of them.

In your statement you didn't mention context at all... you were proclaiming that things and objects were the same, which is why you got the response you did (and I even asked about context).

Oh, and you're a stupid cunt.

I didn't "mention" the context? Ferfucksake, I quoted it. And you provided it: The Gospel of John. The context of John 1:3 is "in the beginning," and non-linear time doesn't have a beginning. But hey, keep swinging. The poor lonely brain cell obviously needs the exercise, and I think it's helping. You're becoming more creative.

K.

In several religious systems, including Hinduism, Taoism, and many primal religions, their isn't this "God did everything" assumption -- for the Greeks, the Universe created the gods. For many, the Universe just always was, vs. created.

So...if folks want the discussion limited to the Abraham religions, it's worth clarifying that at the outset. At the same time, that's just announcing "we're going to cling to assumptions," so the conversation is likely to be circular.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

I introduced the topic of theodicy in reply to a poster's misbegotten notions of the evolution of furry fish...

Yeah, and the scary thing is that you really do think they connect somehow.

K.