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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 3:28:49 PM   
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kool how many are there and what are their names?

There are three: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

The Christian doctrine of the Trinity (Latin: Trinitas, lit. 'triad', from trinus, "threefold") holds that God is three consubstantial persons or hypostases—the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit—as "one God in three Divine Persons". The three persons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature" (homoousios). In this context, a "nature" is what one is, whereas a "person" is who one is.

According to this central mystery of most Christian faiths, there is only one God in three persons: while distinct from one another in their relations of origin (as the Fourth Lateran Council declared, "it is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds") and in their relations with one another, they are stated to be one in all else, co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial, and each is God, whole and entire". Accordingly, the whole work of creation and grace is seen as a single operation common to all three divine persons, in which each shows forth what is proper to him in the Trinity, so that all things are "from the Father", "through the Son" and "in the Holy Spirit


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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 3:37:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Havering halfwit how dim are you - gods ffs just under a 1000 of the mad fukers. I like when the pompous assholes say oh gods and by that they meant it was the holy trinity - does not explain the other 700ish...are you a pompous asshole R1 of clueless aspect

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 3:38:13 PM   
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Christians are baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit: not in their names,55 for there is only one God, the almighty Father, his only Son and the Holy Spirit: the Most Holy Trinity.

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 3:39:33 PM   
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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 3:51:38 PM   
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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 3:53:50 PM   
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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 3:55:50 PM   
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and here I thought you said you were the one true god refresh my memory you lying halfwit...are you referring to the bible or me as god almighty ..for I am he jackal


Islam does not believe in the triune God of the Bible, and furthermore they believe that anyone who does believe in the trinity is guilty of shirk... unforgivable sin. To Islam, Allah is the one true God, and he is not the Trinity God of the Bible.


Islamic view of the Trinity
In Christianity, the doctrine of the Trinity states that God is a single being who exists, simultaneously and eternally, as a communion of three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Within Islam, however, such a concept of plurality within God is a denial of monotheism and foreign to the revelation found in Muslim scripture. Shirk, the act of ascribing partners to God – whether they be sons, daughters, or other partners – is considered to be blasphemous in Islam. The Qur'an repeatedly and firmly asserts God's absolute oneness, thus ruling out the possibility of another being sharing his sovereignty or nature.[1] There has been little doubt that Muslims have rejected Christian doctrines of the Trinity from an early date, but the details of Qur'anic exegesis have recently become a subject of renewed scholarly debate.[1][2]

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 4:06:58 PM   
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You brought the "christian" bible to the fore did you not...note how FD is havering on about the holy trinity...fair piddled myself with that one

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 5:16:28 PM   
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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 5:26:30 PM   
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< Message edited by Real0ne -- 1/12/2017 5:27:10 PM >

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 5:42:05 PM   
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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 5:44:53 PM   
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Assuming God is responsible for everything.

The Buddhists wouldn't agree.

I suspect the problem of theodicy is much harder to wrestle with in the Abrahamic faiths, where God is often hailed as being responsible for everything. In a framework where folks sincerely say, "God saved my Mom from cancer" or "The doctors said I'd never get pregnant, but God sent me a baby," it's not surprising that folks would also ask "Why did God take our toddler?" or "Why is Dad dying by degrees as the ALS rages?"

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 5:46:53 PM   
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There's a rule book?

I explained your expansion

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 5:54:27 PM   
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Assuming God is responsible for everything.

The Buddhists wouldn't agree.

I suspect the problem of theodicy is much harder to wrestle with in the Abrahamic faiths, where God is often hailed as being responsible for everything. In a framework where folks sincerely say, "God saved my Mom from cancer" or "The doctors said I'd never get pregnant, but God sent me a baby," it's not surprising that folks would also ask "Why did God take our toddler?" or "Why is Dad dying by degrees as the ALS rages?"



you always get some one using a quote from a dilbrain off the street that cant even spell God, as a disingenuous representation of a religious position.

God does everything, people suffer and die therefore God is a criminal, Vince really went over the top on that one.

Why dont these people bring in theology or philosophy and take one step out of the mud for mankind


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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 6:04:52 PM   
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and here I thought you said you were the one true god refresh my memory you lying halfwit...are you referring to the bible or me as god almighty ..for I am he jackal


Islam does not believe in the triune God of the Bible, and furthermore they believe that anyone who does believe in the trinity is guilty of shirk... unforgivable sin. To Islam, Allah is the one true God, and he is not the Trinity God of the Bible.


Islamic view of the Trinity
In Christianity, the doctrine of the Trinity states that God is a single being who exists, simultaneously and eternally, as a communion of three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Within Islam, however, such a concept of plurality within God is a denial of monotheism and foreign to the revelation found in Muslim scripture. Shirk, the act of ascribing partners to God – whether they be sons, daughters, or other partners – is considered to be blasphemous in Islam. The Qur'an repeatedly and firmly asserts God's absolute oneness, thus ruling out the possibility of another being sharing his sovereignty or nature.[1] There has been little doubt that Muslims have rejected Christian doctrines of the Trinity from an early date, but the details of Qur'anic exegesis have recently become a subject of renewed scholarly debate.[1][2]




well lets see how close this comes to hoyle.

[God] is the Father, transubstantiated through the Son, and realized through the spirit.

Yeh that should be close enough.

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 6:28:15 PM   
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Assuming God is responsible for everything.

The Buddhists wouldn't agree.

I suspect the problem of theodicy is much harder to wrestle with in the Abrahamic faiths, where God is often hailed as being responsible for everything. In a framework where folks sincerely say, "God saved my Mom from cancer" or "The doctors said I'd never get pregnant, but God sent me a baby," it's not surprising that folks would also ask "Why did God take our toddler?" or "Why is Dad dying by degrees as the ALS rages?"

Death is also seen differently in Eastern religions.

The Upanishads begin "Filled with Brahman is everything that is; filled with Brahman is everything that is not." But Brahman is a concept, an energy greater than even the gods, which are manifestations of different portions of Brahman. And the Gita points out the essential meaningness of death.

The point of Buddhism is transcending the Wheel of Karma, especially sickness, old age, and death. These things are not the trauma as seen by the children of Abraham.

Taoism, likewise, is a "big picture" philosophy, where death is a transition, not a tragedy.

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 6:42:21 PM   
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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 6:49:20 PM   
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Assuming God is responsible for everything.

The Buddhists wouldn't agree.

I suspect the problem of theodicy is much harder to wrestle with in the Abrahamic faiths, where God is often hailed as being responsible for everything. In a framework where folks sincerely say, "God saved my Mom from cancer" or "The doctors said I'd never get pregnant, but God sent me a baby," it's not surprising that folks would also ask "Why did God take our toddler?" or "Why is Dad dying by degrees as the ALS rages?"

Death is also seen differently in Eastern religions.

The Upanishads begin "Filled with Brahman is everything that is; filled with Brahman is everything that is not." But Brahman is a concept, an energy greater than even the gods, which are manifestations of different portions of Brahman. And the Gita points out the essential meaningness of death.

The point of Buddhism is transcending the Wheel of Karma, especially sickness, old age, and death. These things are not the trauma as seen by the children of Abraham.

Taoism, likewise, is a "big picture" philosophy, where death is a transition, not a tragedy.


How is that different than transcending physical death ascending into heaven as practiced by the children of Abraham?


Christ Is Truly Ascended Into Heaven, in his same flesh, ascended above all visible heavens into the highest heaven, that is, the dwelling-place of God and the blessed ones, at the right hand of God the Father.

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 6:50:37 PM   
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I must admit DC... I struggle with the same.

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Me too. Believe me.

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 7:49:48 PM   
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Suffering is a part of life, and we may wonder why, but the question I struggle with is why every thread that touches on a higher power or intelligence ends up infested with people who want to make the Christian God the topic so they can vent their spleen at him for not gifting us with a padded playpen.

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