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mnottertail -> RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? (1/17/2017 2:43:53 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
So much hatred, you must be off your meds again, you are denying recorded history......again.
Dont worry, I am confident that you will never see God regardless its been recorded in secular history and the sacred texts of the Jews.
Nero fastened the guilt ... on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of ... Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome....[5]
-Tacitus, Annals 15.44, cited in Strobel, The Case for Christ, 82.
Lucian
The Christians ... worship a man to this day – the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account.... [It] was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws.
-Lucian, "The Death of Peregrine", 11-13, in The Works of Lucian of Samosata, transl. by H.W. Fowler and F.G. Fowler, 4 vols. (Oxford: Clarendon, 1949), vol. 4., cited in Habermas, The Historical Jesus, 206.
Babylonian Talmud <-the Jewish Bible[8|]
On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald ... cried, "He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy."
Josephus
About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he ... wrought surprising feats.... He was the Christ. When Pilate ...condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared ... restored to life.... And the tribe of Christians ... has ... not disappeared.
-Josephus, Antiquities 18.63-64, cited in Yamauchi, "Jesus Outside the New Testament", 212
Let's summarize what we've learned about Jesus from this examination of ancient non-Christian sources. First, both Josephus and Lucian indicate that Jesus was regarded as wise. Second, Pliny, the Talmud, and Lucian imply He was a powerful and revered teacher. Third, both Josephus and the Talmud indicate He performed miraculous feats. Fourth, Tacitus, Josephus, the Talmud, and Lucian all mention that He was crucified. Tacitus and Josephus say this occurred under Pontius Pilate. And the Talmud declares it happened on the eve of Passover. Fifth, there are possible references to the Christian belief in Jesus' resurrection in both Tacitus and Josephus. Sixth, Josephus records that Jesus' followers believed He was the Christ, or Messiah. And finally, both Pliny and Lucian indicate that Christians worshipped Jesus as God!
http://www.bethinking.org/jesus/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non-christian-sources
Face it everyone seen him but you.
So, dipshit, you have so much stupidity, you must still be a fucking useless retard, you have a Joshua, who was crucified, and written about in fables 100-500 years later, not from original sources, there are possible references to your retardation in Nostradamus and the Babylonian talmud written 500 years later tells of a Joshua who was hanged.
The first and earliest commentary calls it a mischievious superstition, the rest dont say much about anything.
Uh, Jesus H Fucking Christ, you think these guys are pointing to god here? Why wouldnt they at least say that he turned water into wine, or healed lepers, of course there can be only one Joshua who was crucified in all Israel. There was a historical Joshua, there was a historical Odin, a historical Buddha. There was also a historical George Washington who did not say, I cannot tell a lie, I chopped down the cherry tree. One cannot conflate a name with their fables as gospel. In only one of these cases, ever, do we have the actual words AT THE TIME from an eyewitness to the events. George Washingtons mother, and she called bullshit on the fable.
The rest have no direct eyewitness testimony and Joshua is not god, He never even in the fairytale claimed to be.
You got your dick in your hands, no proof of Jeebus as portrayed in the fairytale, only one bit with a guy named Yeshua. Now, was it Yeshua ha'Notzri, was it yeshua ben Ganesh?
In the timeline of the book of fairytales, Yeshua was the 6th most common name in Israel.
Nobody has implied shit, dumbass, nor had one of these guys seen him. And nobody (we have absolutely no eyewitnesses to the miracles he performed, or his rising or any other thing.
There are ignorant nutsuckers who worship St. Wrinklemeat whos fable is Yuge, but who was a talking dildo in a necktie.
There are ignorant nutsuckers who worship Twitler, who is a fucking imbecile, not unlike you. So, even these once eyewitnesses tell a story that gets better in the telling, but is not only not accurate, but does not coincide with reality or any fact.
you have a great deal of pud pounding but no learned nor credible arguments.
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