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I hate to be the one to tell you this but feminism isn't about men. It is not feminism's role to boost male egos or promote male interests.
Thanks for pointing out the bleeding obvious. Feminism is about making women first, above men, the centre of the universe. It makes out that women are special and more important than men. When it comes to feminism, every issue isn't a people issue, it's a women's issue as men just don't matter and are left out of the picture.
Feminism is mostly about women and the self centred needs of women. Where men come into it, men are used as a multipurpose scapegoat for women's woes to make women feel that they are faultless. The only use men have for feminism is to be used as an emotional punching bag for angry and frustrated women that didn't get their way in life, and therefore, blame people with a penis for it.
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Feminism is about women by women seeking to bring about a more equitable gender system
When men do that for support of their gender as for pointing out inequalities that are in women's favour, it's considered as whining and misogyny.
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Feminism and feminists are mainly concerned with males/men inasmuch as they interact with women, with the turning around the ill-effects that the concentration of power and privilege in male hands has brought about.
What power and privilege are you talking about here? Have you ever heard of the term "apex fallacy"? Just because a small subset of men (the elite) hold these powers and privileges, how do the rest of the male population hold any of such powers and privileges over women?
The Apex Fallacy is defined by Dr. Helen Smith who coined the neologism: "More men tend to be at the high end or low end in our society and because of this, people mistakenly believe that all men dominate in our culture because they see a few men at the top."
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It is not feminism's task or obligation to do anything for men
But they expect men to support feminism's cause. So what we have here is that feminists expect men to help women but they don't want to return the favour and help men. When it comes to feminism, it's a one way street. Men are expected to give to feminism but feminism will never give to men in return.
That's a crappy deal for men.
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There are good arguments and evidence to support the view that patriarchy has negative effects on the lives of many men
Really? I am seriously interested in you providing this evidence. I mean it, I will wait for it. To me, patriarchy blaming is not based on fact, it's based on faulty assumptions. Anything that annoys a feminist is the fault of patriarchy. Feminists just randomly blame patriarchy on anything without thinking about it.
How can you blame patriarchy for something when the same society has not experienced matriarchy? Can you see how anything blamed on patriarchy is based on assumption, not fact?
It's just used as an convenient scapegoat without any bases behind the claim.
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Sadly the MRA has failed men totally in this regard. It seems more interested in banging drums meaninglessly, acting out primitive warrior myths in forests and generally bitching and whining about their 'woes' with women than any kind of serious analysis or understanding of gender, how it operates in society and what is needed for positive changes in this area. Childish.
That is exactly what feminists do!
Feminists bitch about men because men judge them for being fat. Fat acceptance! They ignore the biological differences in males on how they are attracted to the opposite gender.
Feminists bitch about male sexuality. Objectification. They ignore the biological differences in males on how they are attracted to the opposite gender.
Feminists bitch about how men sit on public transport. Manspreading. How dare men sit different to women!
Feminists bitch about how there are a difference in boys toys compared to girls toys in childhood. They totally ignore that males simply have different interest because they aren't wired like women.
Why? Because they have no serious analysis or understanding of gender, how it operates in society and what is needed for positive change...which is, accept men for being different. Just because men don't think and act like women, that doesn't make us oppressors or wrong.
One of the problems with feminists is that they expect men to think and act like women or else they are just plain wrong.
It's like the women's way is the superior way and the men's way is the inferior way. There is no superior or inferior when it comes to this, we are just simply different.
< Message edited by respectmen -- 1/11/2017 8:49:56 AM >
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