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Musicmystery -> So who started fake news? (1/12/2017 10:06:59 AM)

Since we're endlessly debating this on every thread, apparently it needs a thread of its own.

From yellow journalism to Breitbart to Fox News to MSNBC to CNN to Pravda, everybody's got an opinion. But opinions aren't simply truth either.

Nasty journalism isn't new. Breitbart's leader acknowledged that Breitbart makes up news for its particular clientele (unless he's lying...fake news about fake news...). MSNBC and CNN have clearly given up on balanced. Fox was founded NOT to be balanced (i.e., to tell the "other" side). And the NY Times and the Washington Post have clearly spun things their way.

But denouncing anything we don't want to hear as "fake news" simply keeps us stupid.

To me, this means (it actually always did), that looking at the actual story, including evidence presented and sources, matters, whatever the news/source.

To others, it means getting your news from the "right" source.

Still others (including me, and Michael mentioned this recently) like to check news from a variety of sources, whether we "agree" or not.

How do we proceed, short of simply making up what we want, in an era of "Fake News" (and simply labeling dissenting voices as "fake news")?




WhoreMods -> RE: So who started fake news? (1/12/2017 10:49:46 AM)

Sadly, I think simply labelling dissenting voices as "fake news" is what the term is all about for the tiny-handed shitweasel: it's a lot easier for him to dismiss criticism than it is for him to answer it, after all.




Musicmystery -> RE: So who started fake news? (1/12/2017 10:53:24 AM)

Obviously. But for posters as well.

So let's take a look at it.




WhoreMods -> RE: So who started fake news? (1/12/2017 10:57:33 AM)

I get the impression there's a few posters are following La Boheme's lead on that, but go for it. Good luck getting a straight answer rather than a load of whining, bullshit and hysteria out of any of them.




Musicmystery -> RE: So who started fake news? (1/12/2017 11:05:55 AM)

Well, or call them out for pretending.

This gets old.




Musicmystery -> RE: So who started fake news? (1/12/2017 11:46:37 AM)

BBC sets up team to debunk fake news

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jan/12/bbc-sets-up-team-to-debunk-fake-news




WhoreMods -> RE: So who started fake news? (1/12/2017 11:56:24 AM)

Publicly funded company, you see.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: So who started fake news? (1/12/2017 11:56:53 AM)

How do we proceed?
Why by being responsible news consumers, of course. that means looking at the actual story, including evidence presented and sources, matters, whatever the news/source and checking news from a variety of sources, whether we "agree" or not.

i mean you don't buy a car without checking the reviews and ratings on various automotive sites or Consumer's report like sites, so why do you treat your news purchases any differently.

This, by the way, is not a reaction to the current fake news brouhaha, but rather the way i have always done it (like since I was 8 or 9), my dad taught me to do that after I asked him why he always watched one channel for the 6 PM news and a different one for the 11 PM news and why he got 2 newspapers delivered (back then, in my childish innocence I just assumed all news was the same and was by definition true).




BoscoX -> RE: So who started fake news? (1/12/2017 12:01:03 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

BBC sets up team to debunk fake news

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jan/12/bbc-sets-up-team-to-debunk-fake-news


Ministries Of Truth are being set up everywhere political dissent against establishment rule is being detected




WhoreMods -> RE: So who started fake news? (1/12/2017 12:01:25 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick
i mean you don't buy a car without checking the reviews and ratings on various automotive sites or Consumer's report like sites, so why do you treat your news purchases any differently

Because a car is something you buy to provide a useful everyday function, whereas it seems that people (naming no names) don't give a fuck whether news is true or long so long as it confirms their personal biases?




BamaD -> RE: So who started fake news? (1/12/2017 12:35:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

How do we proceed?
Why by being responsible news consumers, of course. that means looking at the actual story, including evidence presented and sources, matters, whatever the news/source and checking news from a variety of sources, whether we "agree" or not.

i mean you don't buy a car without checking the reviews and ratings on various automotive sites or Consumer's report like sites, so why do you treat your news purchases any differently.

This, by the way, is not a reaction to the current fake news brouhaha, but rather the way i have always done it (like since I was 8 or 9), my dad taught me to do that after I asked him why he always watched one channel for the 6 PM news and a different one for the 11 PM news and why he got 2 newspapers delivered (back then, in my childish innocence I just assumed all news was the same and was by definition true).


I used to get 3 newspapers to read every day at lunch, compare the same stories on all three and try to determine the truth from the differences in the stories.
Sometimes it is easy like when CNN gave the Iraqi claims and the Air Defense Ministers name four the 1st four days of the war. After that they only gave the claims. They never pointed out that each day Iraq had a new ADM. Still they pretended that these claims had some validity.

PS For those who are confused (I know you aren't) I am in agreement with you.




DaddySatyr -> RE: So who started fake news? (1/12/2017 12:52:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Since we're endlessly debating this on every thread, apparently it needs a thread of its own.

From yellow journalism to Breitbart to Fox News to MSNBC to CNN to Pravda, everybody's got an opinion. But opinions aren't simply truth either.

Nasty journalism isn't new. Breitbart's leader acknowledged that Breitbart makes up news for its particular clientele (unless he's lying...fake news about fake news...). MSNBC and CNN have clearly given up on balanced. Fox was founded NOT to be balanced (i.e., to tell the "other" side). And the NY Times and the Washington Post have clearly spun things their way.

But denouncing anything we don't want to hear as "fake news" simply keeps us stupid.

To me, this means (it actually always did), that looking at the actual story, including evidence presented and sources, matters, whatever the news/source.

To others, it means getting your news from the "right" source.

Still others (including me, and Michael mentioned this recently) like to check news from a variety of sources, whether we "agree" or not.

How do we proceed, short of simply making up what we want, in an era of "Fake News" (and simply labeling dissenting voices as "fake news")?



Mark this day on your calendar! You and I (according to this post) agree entirely!

That said, I know a little something about journalism and while the profession has been in decline for quite some time, the advent of "fake" news is scary to me.

Why? Well, "fake" news is an issue. I think it was Denzel Washington who said, recently: "If you don't read the news, you're uninformed. If you do read the news, you're misinformed." I could be wrong, but that sounds like a Rogers quote to me.

No matter who said it, it is painfully accurate in the current climate.

Sure, no one does their job without any slant what-so-ever and it's pretty easy (now a days) to figure out what their slant is. My main objection is that the purveyors of journalism should make us well aware of what their particular slant is.

I was hired by my boss because of my slant, but even with that, there are still journalistic ethics that must be met. That's where the rubber meets the road.

The recent story about President-Elect Trumps alleged ties to Russia never should have been published.

Also, I think it's interesting to note that BuzzFeed is owned by NBC, an outlet that has shown their bias in spades, for, at least five years, now.

The job of the media (in this country) has always been to hold the government's feet to the fire. The media is supposed to be the window of transparency through which the public gets to discriminate, when it comes time to vote. What kills me about "fake news" is that immediately on the heels of this new pronouncement were people calling on the government to "do something". We run a big risk, here.

There are people, running around, decrying President-Elect Trump as a "Fascist". You want to see Fascism? Put the government in charge of which news stories are real and which ones are "fake". That's the real danger, here.

Thank you, Tim.



Michael




WickedsDesire -> RE: So who started fake news? (1/12/2017 1:04:56 PM)

Your Tiny Hand is Frozen guffaws.

What was the movie with just a hand in it called again and who was in that - fair gave me the night terrors. I know Trump was looking to do a follow up "Pussy grabbing claws" as I cant remember the name of the movie with just the hand in it here one of Trump singing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEnDOXmyU-o

Fake news i thought Trump started it all.




WhoreMods -> RE: So who started fake news? (1/12/2017 1:14:55 PM)

The Beast With Five Fingers, but Amicus had spent a fair bit on the prop hand and reused it in a bunch of other films after that one.




bounty44 -> RE: So who started fake news? (1/12/2017 1:21:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Breitbart's leader acknowledged that Breitbart makes up news for its particular clientele (unless he's lying...fake news about fake news...).


please share a direct quote where that was said and with emphasis on the "makes up news"

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Fox was founded NOT to be balanced (i.e., to tell the "other" side)


fox was founded to "tell the other side" yes but to do so in a "fair and balanced" way. debate whether they succeed or not at that, but don't misrepresent them.

a day does not go by on the network where they don't have liberal hosts, and a large handful of liberal guests and politicians being able to speak.




Musicmystery -> RE: So who started fake news? (1/12/2017 1:51:19 PM)

If you're unable to see the contradiction between "fair and balanced" and "tell the other side," I doubt anything I can offer will enlighten you.

You can Google the rest if you like. It was part of Steve Bannon's defense against spreading falsehood, that he was catering to a specific audience. That some of their stories are bizarrely over the top is pretty obvious. The context, as I remember, was "Bannon isn't really a racist/white-supremacist because those aren't real stories in Breitbart" kind of thing, that it was entertainment for their audience. Nonsense, sure, but that was the spin.

But if you don't think so, that's the point of this thread. What makes Breitbart not fake news, exactly?




WickedsDesire -> RE: So who started fake news? (1/12/2017 1:55:04 PM)

Did I start it all with proclaiming I had a 40 foot cock? To be fair I did start measuring it from 39 feet and 11 inches away...to build up on the anticipation as they say * winks at the ladies

I actually read a news story regarding why someone did the fake news stories on the spyware called facebook. Sad fuk - insane monster I thought to myself as are any who buy into it. And I, a mere simple loon with the 3 cats and that ginger thieving bastard form two rows up, know many buy into these

As I say from time to time I tend to use BBC wiki as my sources 99.9% and you tube for a nice clip...but these are not perfect but they are better than almost all - you Americans have something similar one of you told me not long ago whats it called? heh didnt the bbc have Jimmy Saville (do not look this monster up - just take my word for it he was a true monster 100% and then some) I only just watched the last episode of Sherlock - yes and I looked up HH Holmes too.

news ponders over a new thread...unless any of you lot want to start this(please)...fact from fiction etc





bounty44 -> RE: So who started fake news? (1/12/2017 2:06:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

If you're unable to see the contradiction between "fair and balanced" and "tell the other side," I doubt anything I can offer will enlighten you.

You can Google the rest if you like. It was part of Steve Bannon's defense against spreading falsehood, that he was catering to a specific audience. That some of their stories are bizarrely over the top is pretty obvious. The context, as I remember, was "Bannon isn't really a racist/white-supremacist because those aren't real stories in Breitbart" kind of thing, that it was entertainment for their audience. Nonsense, sure, but that was the spin.

But if you don't think so, that's the point of this thread. What makes Breitbart not fake news, exactly?


i'll try again---prior to fox, only ONE side was being told. so fox comes along to tell the other side, as well as giving considerable voice to the original leftie side. if you cannot tell the difference between those two things not being irreconcilable, "I doubt you have anything to offer."

im not obliged to answer what makes breitbart "not fake news." you made the claim that the leader "makes things up." own your words and show where he said that. "over the top" or "entertaining" doesn't suffice. and not from you memory, but from his actual words in print.




Musicmystery -> RE: So who started fake news? (1/12/2017 2:12:57 PM)

And again, setting out to tell ANY side isn't "balanced" by definition.

As for Bannon, believe what you wish. But if it's NOT fake, then he's clearly a white-supremacist/racist. Which way do you want it?




BoscoX -> RE: So who started fake news? (1/12/2017 2:22:45 PM)

MM is unhinged, dude. Forget it. He's unhinged, has no idea what you are even trying to point out to him.




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