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Lucylastic -> GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health benefits (1/13/2017 1:04:49 PM)

This is from Thursday (regarding wednesday nights vote)
https://thinkprogress.org/gop-vote-essential-health-benefits-694a83fbaaf6#.lfdb85hh1


Last night while you were sleeping, the Senate debated and ultimately passed a budget resolution that provides a pathway for Republicans to strip health care coverage away from 30 million Americans without having a single Democratic vote.
As the Senate debated the resolution that provides a blueprint to repeal the Affordable Care Act, both Republicans and Democrats had the opportunity to offer a flurry of rapid-fire amendments in a process known as “vote-a-rama.” While these votes are non-binding, the exercise provides an opportunity for senators to show where their colleagues stand on a number of key issues. And the results are not pretty.
Senate Republicans took several votes on symbolic amendments offered by Democrats that showed they are not on your side.
Last night, Republicans voted against amendments that would:
1. Protect people with pre-existing conditions

Republicans blocked an amendment that would have made it harder to take away coverage from Americans with preexisting medical conditions. 52 million people — about 1 in 4 non-elderly Americans — have preexisting conditions. These Americans are more likely to face significant health costs, and before the Affordable Care Act, were often denied coverage entirely. The amendment also would have protected coverage for people disabilities or chronic health conditions, and prevent plans from discriminating based on health. Republicans currently have no alternative plan to insure people with preexisting conditions. Only two Republicans — Maine’s Susan Collins and Nevada’s Dean Heller — voted for the amendment.
2. Let young adults stay on their parents’ plan
Republicans blocked an amendment by Democratic Sen. Tammy Baldwin that would have made it easier for young people to stay on their parents’ health care plan until they are 26 — one of the most popular and effective provisions of the Affordable Care Act. Over 6 million young adults have gained health insurance since the law was implemented in 2010, and young Americans now report better physical and mental health. The provision is also overwhelmingly popular — 85 percent favor keeping young people on their parents’ insurance plans. Sens. Heller and Collins were the only two senators who bucked their party on this vote.
3. Maintain access to contraceptive coverage
Thanks to Obamacare, birth control is more affordable than ever. Spending on contraceptive health care has gone down by 20 percent since the Affordable Care Act took effect. An amendment by Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand sought to continue this momentum. Unsurprisingly, Republicans blocked the provision 49–49. Sens. Collins and Heller both voted with Democrats.
4. Ensure Medicaid expansion stays in place
Medicaid expansion under the Affordable Care Act benefited 11 million low-income Americans in 2015 alone and has created thousands of jobs for direct care workers. An amendment by Sen. Bob Menendez (D-NJ) would have sought to continue Medicaid expansion, but it was blocked by Republicans — 48–50.
5. Protect children on Medicaid or CHIP
Republicans blocked an amendment offered by Senator Brown (D-OH) that would ensure children could keep their health coverage on Medicaid or the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), both of which provide comprehensive health care services for children including key preventive and developmental care.
6. Protect veterans’ health care
Republicans blocked an amendment by Sen. Tester (D-MT) that would have made it harder to restrict veterans’ ability to access VA health care. While Democrats have sought to provide better funding and health care access at the VA, Donald Trump has proposed eliminating the agency altogether through privatization. A poll in 2015 found that almost two-thirds of survey respondents oppose plans to replace VA health care with a voucher system, an idea backed by many Republican lawmakers and presidential candidates.


Republicans say they want to replace Obamacare with something better. But in just one night’s votes, they indicated that they are not willing to take a stand to ensure that people with pre-existing conditions, women, children, veterans, young adults, people with disabilities, and struggling families can continue to access the affordable coverage they need going forward.

Then This from the NYT about half an hour ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/13/us/politics/affordable-care-act-senate-budget.html?emc=edit_na_20170113&nlid=69606674&ref=cta
WASHINGTON — The House joined the Senate on Friday in laying the groundwork for speedy action to repeal the Affordable Care Act, approving the budget blueprint passed by the Senate on Thursday that would allow Republicans to tear up the health care law without the prospect of a Senate filibuster.

The House vote, coming a week before President-elect Donald J. Trump’s inauguration, places Republicans squarely in position to fulfill their long-held desire to dismantle President Obama’s signature domestic achievement.
More at the link


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Musicmystery -> RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health benefits (1/14/2017 10:48:44 AM)

What strikes me most is that there's no plan, just "Ha! We can smash things now!" Like children.

Obama's big mistake was assuming that by taking the 1992 GOP, they would support it, without considering that they were NEVER serious about it. He should have gone directly for single payer.

When the GOP circus plays itself out, and it will, in time, we'll need a Sanders type candidate to step in and do it right.




Lucylastic -> RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health benefits (1/14/2017 10:59:36 AM)

Well ...if single payer comes about directly thru trump or the Repubs i will applaud them.
loudly




WhoreMods -> RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health benefits (1/14/2017 11:22:19 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
When the GOP circus plays itself out, and it will, in time, we'll need a Sanders type candidate to step in and do it right.

Don't hold your breath waiting: they could have put up Sanders instead of bloody Clinton. What earthly chance do you think a faux-lefty stands of getting the nod from either party without Sander's long term service record of voting along party lines rather than for the principles he claims to represent?




Musicmystery -> RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health benefits (1/14/2017 11:25:59 AM)

Things change. It can take time. But things change.




BoscoX -> RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health benefits (1/14/2017 11:39:17 AM)

Thinkprogress is so heavily biased, even the name showcases it's heavy bias

It only proves that you are insane for you to try to use it as a legitimate news source




BoscoX -> RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health benefits (1/14/2017 11:40:58 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

What strikes me most is that there's no plan, just "Ha! We can smash things now!" Like children.

Obama's big mistake was assuming that by taking the 1992 GOP, they would support it, without considering that they were NEVER serious about it. He should have gone directly for single payer.

When the GOP circus plays itself out, and it will, in time, we'll need a Sanders type candidate to step in and do it right.



You bitch if they plan, you bitch if you think you can try to claim that there is no plan

The voters have spoken, let the new government actually do something before you go any more berserk




mnottertail -> RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health benefits (1/14/2017 11:43:18 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

What strikes me most is that there's no plan, just "Ha! We can smash things now!" Like children.

Obama's big mistake was assuming that by taking the 1992 GOP, they would support it, without considering that they were NEVER serious about it. He should have gone directly for single payer.

When the GOP circus plays itself out, and it will, in time, we'll need a Sanders type candidate to step in and do it right.



You bitch if they plan, you bitch if you think you can try to claim that there is no plan

The voters have spoken, let the new government actually do something before you go any more berserk

Ok, Cockgargler Tommie, detail the non existant plan for us, since even they admit there isnt one. Its a nutsucker government, it isnt going to do anything that is not disasterous, all of them have been disasterous, and this time there are some weapons grade retards in the government.




Musicmystery -> RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health benefits (1/14/2017 11:43:30 AM)

That's because the CONTENT of that plan matters . . . and when there's NO plan, it's just a reaction, not a plan.

Colin Powell's Pottery Barn Rule applies here as well: You break it, you own it.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out over time.

In the short run, it hurts real people.

I know you don't care. Others do.




tamaka -> RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health benefits (1/14/2017 11:45:37 AM)

What really needs to happen is that healthcare cost need to be controlled. There is no reason it should cost $1000 for an x-ray.




Musicmystery -> RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health benefits (1/14/2017 11:48:37 AM)

That's cherry-picking the upper end. For patients without health insurance, X-rays typically cost about $100-$1,000 or more. On average, X-rays cost $260-$460, varying by provider and geographic location, according to NewChoiceHealth.com . Actual X-ray cost depends on the provider, the part of the body being X-rayed, and the number of views taken.
http://health.costhelper.com/x-rays.html

But yeah. Health care costs are a concern.

Eliminating insurance for many isn't going to help.




BoscoX -> RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health benefits (1/14/2017 11:52:17 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

That's because the CONTENT of that plan matters . . . and when there's NO plan, it's just a reaction, not a plan.

Colin Powell's Pottery Barn Rule applies here as well: You break it, you own it.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out over time.

In the short run, it hurts real people.

I know you don't care. Others do.


The Democrats broke it.

Ask the voters.

Oh wait, we did, didn't we.




mnottertail -> RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health benefits (1/14/2017 11:59:20 AM)

No, you didn't the voters do not want obamacare repealed, in fact, it wasnt even on the ballot.





igor2003 -> RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health benefits (1/14/2017 12:14:58 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

That's because the CONTENT of that plan matters . . . and when there's NO plan, it's just a reaction, not a plan.

Colin Powell's Pottery Barn Rule applies here as well: You break it, you own it.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out over time.

In the short run, it hurts real people.

I know you don't care. Others do.


The Democrats broke it.

Ask the voters.

Oh wait, we did, didn't we.


What you consistently keep forgetting is that some 3,000,000 more people voted for Clinton than what voted for Trump. And when you say "the voters have spoken", well, they spoke FOR Clinton. And yes, I understand that you have trouble accepting that.




MrRodgers -> RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health benefits (1/14/2017 12:16:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

What really needs to happen is that healthcare cost need to be controlled. There is no reason it should cost $1000 for an x-ray.

Health care costs are a by-product of a political/market culture. Ours now and has been, is a for-profit culture so if you go around the world and compare costs...it's indicative and depressing.

The costs and the for-profit premiums to cover them by the both the old, recent and coming new insurance regime, should prove to you what I've been saying, if it hasn't already, it's not about health care, it's about money.




Real0ne -> RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health benefits (1/14/2017 1:31:49 PM)

stop yer fucking whining, you were out here every damn day pounding the drums, you got what you wanted despite everyone warning you this would happen. suck it up buttercup




BoscoX -> RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health benefits (1/14/2017 1:35:49 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: igor2003


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

That's because the CONTENT of that plan matters . . . and when there's NO plan, it's just a reaction, not a plan.

Colin Powell's Pottery Barn Rule applies here as well: You break it, you own it.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out over time.

In the short run, it hurts real people.

I know you don't care. Others do.


The Democrats broke it.

Ask the voters.

Oh wait, we did, didn't we.


What you consistently keep forgetting is that some 3,000,000 more people voted for Clinton than what voted for Trump. And when you say "the voters have spoken", well, they spoke FOR Clinton. And yes, I understand that you have trouble accepting that.


This is a republic, not a democracy you dumb ass. Figure out how it works then get back to us

They campaigned on the real rules that we have at present, not the imaginary "what if" rules of your idiotic make-believe pretend world

And look at Congress. We won, you lost - get used to it.




Real0ne -> RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health benefits (1/14/2017 1:36:17 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
it's about money.

what you said [sm=fiddle_smiley.gif]




WickedsDesire -> RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health benefits (1/14/2017 1:38:22 PM)

There are shag all women on here




Real0ne -> RE: GOP votes to take away these 6 essential health benefits (1/14/2017 1:42:14 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: igor2003


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

That's because the CONTENT of that plan matters . . . and when there's NO plan, it's just a reaction, not a plan.

Colin Powell's Pottery Barn Rule applies here as well: You break it, you own it.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out over time.

In the short run, it hurts real people.

I know you don't care. Others do.


The Democrats broke it.

Ask the voters.

Oh wait, we did, didn't we.


What you consistently keep forgetting is that some 3,000,000 more people voted for Clinton than what voted for Trump. And when you say "the voters have spoken", well, they spoke FOR Clinton. And yes, I understand that you have trouble accepting that.


This is a republic, not a democracy you dumb ass. Figure out how it works then get back to us

They campaigned on the real rules that we have at present, not the imaginary "what if" rules of your idiotic make-believe pretend world

And look at Congress. We won, you lost - get used to it.



Technically its both.
Its a republic why because we have a house and senate, so is britain with lords and commons.

America is a 'parlimentary democracy' because the house and senate runs off of a majority vote system within the republic. YOu can have any form of gubmint your lil ole heart desires except a full dictatorship under a republic.

The only problem with the democracy part of it is the only thing you get to vote on is your new kings and quessns who will rule you for the next 8 years.

You do not get to vote on how or what rules govern you, so outside voting for your new overlords you are not included in any kind of democracy.




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