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You will only be a 'real patriot' once again (how many times did he say that yesterday ?) as long as you do what the right wants to feed the corp. elites, the MIC and go to war in the middle east. Already here as well as in the past if you didn't want war, or if you are in opposition and if you don't agree...you are a traitor.

I don't think our newly minted president used the word "patriot" (or any of its forms) all that often, but be that as it may, the forty-year-long attack of the left, trying to make people believe that "patriotism" is a step on the road to nazism is one of the many reasons the Dumbocrats lost so many votes.

You see, there's people in this country that don't believe patriotism to be a bad word. On top of that, they don't see it as being a bad mind set.

Far too many of our citizens have fought under that flag for them to believe that serving one's country is a bad thing. Service to one's country would not be possible without some measure of patriotism. The Sith-ish demonization of that very word and ideal is going to cause the left to continue to lose ground (so, naturally, I support their efforts).



Michael

here are the corresponding sections from the "basis differences between left and right" I recently posted:

Ideal Primary Identity of an American

Left: world citizen
Right: American citizen

View of America

Left: profoundly morally flawed; inferior to any number of European countries
Right: greatest force for good among nations in world history

American Exceptionalism

Left: chauvinistic doctrine
Right: historical reality

America's Founding Fathers

Left: rich white male slave owners
Right: great men who founded the greatest society

National Borders

Left: a relic of the past
Right: indispensable for national survival


if those qualities on the right serve to make up, at least partially, a definition of patriotism, then its easy to see how whatever the left views as patriotism (if they embrace the concept at all), is not the same.

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You need to change churches. And learn about the world.

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You've learned plenty about cynicism and playing the victim.

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oh, and one the best things trump said in his inaugural speech was (im paraphrasing here)---"when you love your country, there's no room left for prejudice."

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oh, and one the best things trump said in his inaugural speech was (im paraphrasing here)---"when you love your country, there's no room left for prejudice."

Good comment but, unfortunately, utter bollocks coming from Trump. He doesn't love his country and all he's got is a collection of prejudices - since he's disdained to learn anything at all about how his country actually works.

Against some impressively stiff opposition he's by far the worst arse ever to have reached the presidency in your country, Bounty. I mean, really, that's not a contentious observation, is it? The man can't even spell 'unprecedented'. Seriously - think of it - for someone to become president and not even know that there's no such word as 'unpresidented' - it beggars belief.

I honestly believe that in the entire history of humanity, there has never been a situation of someone so incompetent holding so much power. That includes all the kings and queens of all of history ... the mad, stupid, idiotic fools that we in Europe have suffered for hundreds of years .... And these, of course, we had to put up with, because in monarchies rather than democracies, the people didn't get a choice.

But you Americans *did* have the choice and actually *voted* this nasty, stupid, disgusting and pointless idiot into the power that he now has. Jesus. You as a nation have not only demeaned the status of the US Presidency and the American political system, you have demeaned the whole notion of democracy itself. The upshot of that, in decades to come ... I don't even want to think about it.

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oh, and one the best things trump said in his inaugural speech was (im paraphrasing here)---"when you love your country, there's no room left for prejudice."

Good comment but, unfortunately, utter bollocks coming from Trump. He doesn't love his country and all he's got is a collection of prejudices - since he's disdained to learn anything at all about how his country actually works.

Against some impressively stiff opposition he's by far the worst arse ever to have reached the presidency in your country, Bounty. I mean, really, that's not a contentious observation, is it? The man can't even spell 'unprecedented'. Seriously - think of it - for someone to become president and not even know that there's no such word as 'unpresidented' - it beggars belief.

I honestly believe that in the entire history of humanity, there has never been a situation of someone so incompetent holding so much power. That includes all the kings and queens of all of history ... the mad, stupid, idiotic fools that we in Europe have suffered for hundreds of years .... And these, of course, we had to put up with, because in monarchies rather than democracies, the people didn't get a choice.

But you Americans *did* have the choice and actually *voted* this nasty, stupid, disgusting and pointless idiot into the power that he now has. Jesus. You as a nation have not only demeaned the status of the US Presidency and the American political system, you have demeaned the whole notion of democracy itself. The upshot of that, in decades to come ... I don't even want to think about it.

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FFS. He RAN on prejudice.

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FFS. He RAN on prejudice.

Bullshit

That's just more of your

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The following is a list of self-declared socialist states—that is to say, past and present states that have declared themselves socialist or in the process of building socialism. Self-identification is the only criterion used by the list. Therefore, all countries that claimed to be socialist are included, even if their claims are disputed. All countries that did not claim to be socialist are excluded, even in cases where those countries were considered socialist by certain outside observers....

Republic of Cuba 1 July 1966 50 years, 204 days Communist Party of Cuba Raúl Castro (since 2006)

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Venezuela: Socialist Food Rations Cost 25% Monthly Minimum Wage Salary

Socialism, Not Oil, Is The Cause Of Venezuela's Problems

Venezuela's 'socialist paradise' turns into a nightmare

Venezuela's Failed Socialist Experiment

Venezuela Reaches the Final Stage of Socialism: No Toilet Paper

Can Venezuela's socialist government survive

Venezuela: The Failure of Socialism

The transition to socialism in Venezuela

The Meaning of 21st Century Socialism for Venezuela

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...Venezuela 1998 presidential republic United Socialist Party of Venezuela Nicolás Maduro...

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

a number of things mnalevolent:

one is, "List of socialist states"

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The following is a list of self-declared socialist states—that is to say, past and present states that have declared themselves socialist or in the process of building socialism. Self-identification is the only criterion used by the list. Therefore, all countries that claimed to be socialist are included, even if their claims are disputed. All countries that did not claim to be socialist are excluded, even in cases where those countries were considered socialist by certain outside observers....

Republic of Cuba 1 July 1966 50 years, 204 days Communist Party of Cuba Raúl Castro (since 2006)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states

Venezuela is not listed but that is addressed in the quote above.

and let me pick up on the last part of the quote---"considered socialist by certain outside observers"

here's a quick sampling of headlines concerning Venezuela, some recent, some dating back a few years:

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Venezuela: Socialist Food Rations Cost 25% Monthly Minimum Wage Salary

Socialism, Not Oil, Is The Cause Of Venezuela's Problems

Venezuela's 'socialist paradise' turns into a nightmare

Venezuela's Failed Socialist Experiment

Venezuela Reaches the Final Stage of Socialism: No Toilet Paper

Can Venezuela's socialist government survive

Venezuela: The Failure of Socialism

The transition to socialism in Venezuela

The Meaning of 21st Century Socialism for Venezuela

so it seems there are indeed bunches of "outside observers", whose job it is to know and write about these things, refer to whats going on in Venezuela as "socialism"

then on another hand, theres this:

"List of Socialist States"

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...Venezuela 1998 presidential republic United Socialist Party of Venezuela Nicolás Maduro...

http://www.conservapedia.com/List_of_Socialist_States

lastly, making subtle discernments in political ideology or practice within leftist countries isnt necessary to oppose collectivism in general. that Bernie sanders means "denmark" and not "Venezuela" when he refers to socialism doesn't matter in the end. you want to make esoteric distinctions in order to look intelligent, or clever, or to feel justified in calling people names---sorry, youre not.

now, throw some vulgarities at all that, add in some of your typical nonsensical gibberish and maybe it'll all go away...