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RE: Plato explains the rise of Trump - 1/21/2017 7:13:32 AM   
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Thank you for admitting that Democrats despise average Americans.

Eventually you may also finally understand the anti-establishment mood, and the rise of President Donald J. Trump

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RE: Plato explains the rise of Trump - 1/21/2017 7:54:27 AM   
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Fools demanding government punish success and reward failure through the tax codes




While accurate up to a point, it fails in many respects.

Okay, granted, a tax code that hits someone for 39% for making over a million dollars is a bit excessive.

In fact, looking at the tax code in the US, and just looking at rates, it APPEARS unfair.

However, when the rate is adjusted by using legal deductions, it changes dramatically.

By the same token, a flat tax hurts the lower and lower middle class.

So, what do you do?


In the US, we just complicate the hell out of the tax system so that no one (including the IRS people paid to enforce the damn thing) understands it.

If you think I am joking, consider this: According to the GAO, over half of IRS auditors do not fully understand the tax laws as written.

Want to get even more confused?

Some tax accounts will tell you that if you win a $200 million lotto jackpot, you only have to pay a windfall profit tax, which is about 25%.

Others will tell you that you have to pay 39.6% income tax.

And, reading the current tax law, both technically apply.

Of course, the tax code is written so that a corporation can make billions in profits and still pay zero taxes on any of it.

Which means that the one area of the US tax revenue income that should pay the highest taxes pays almost none.

And these are the same corporations that claim that between taxes and wages, they are forced to outsource jobs from technical support to manufacturing a product overseas.

Okay, some claim that products made overseas are taxed as imported products.

Yup, if the company is Toyota, Samsung, etc. Not if it is Texas Instruments, GM, or any other 'American' company. Those products are treated as domestic because the company is based in the US.

Hence the companies dont pay shit for making the product in Hong Kong or China and shipping it to the US, and pay the people making the stuff 5 bucks a day.

Trump actually got out of paying taxes for a number of years because he lost a butt load of money one year. Fine, he lost money, and yes, I agree that a tax break was a good thing, he took a risk and lost, legitimately.

Personally, I would like to see the loopholes closed for corporations and the rate for personal taxes to come down... a lot.

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RE: Plato explains the rise of Trump - 1/21/2017 8:04:17 AM   
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This is a fascinating little video. A few things are weird; others seem more plausible. Trump's rise to the presidency is attributable to the dynamics of democracy themselves ....
Anyway, well worth the three minutes' viewing, I thought.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnzo9qXLFUo


Damn, that is chilling in it's accuracy!



And a broken clock is right twice every 24 hours.

Plato wasn't entirely flawless in his wisdom, and, he was a teacher ("them that can....do....them that can't....teach"). Born to wealth, Plato didn't have many true responsibilities in life and, while Socrates was a Mentor ("The Socratic Method"), Plato "thought" well.....but his actions and deeds were at best, nominal.

He didn't invent anything, he didn't create anything, he didn't build anything but his opinions were sought after because (Socratic method) he "thought"......well.

Much like the well known phrase; "....on the shoulders of giants...." those that followed, benefited from his (very) sage counsel.....he was at best, a theorist.....not someone who actually.....ever did anything.

(At all).

You may be correct and it may be important but the same thing could be said about many of our society's elite and political leaders. For example, what did Milton Friedman ever do ? What did Reagan ever do ? (except become a rent-seeking hypocrite) What did any of the Roosevelts ever do beside Teddy ? They were a banking family. What have any of the Rockefellers done but inherit from what was John D's monopoly ?

For one, I am not all that far from those who think on many points...Plato was crazy.

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RE: Plato explains the rise of Trump - 1/21/2017 8:07:44 AM   
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It's gonna be a great four years!


Seriously - how can you see that? Do you honestly believe that Trump will be an effective President? What is your vision of the USA in, say, two years time?

Be careful how you answer. I shall do a screen print of your response, and look at it two years from now.

Well it won't be great for FHA and VA home buyers. Trump right after being sworn in, rescinded the Obama EO that reduced mortgage insurance. It is only a few dollars a month but it will make it costlier for buyers to get a mortgage. There go a few home building jobs.

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RE: Plato explains the rise of Trump - 1/21/2017 8:10:24 AM   
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Fools demanding government punish success and reward failure through the tax codes


The presidency in exchange for six bankruptsies might be a good example of rewarding failure.
Do you just open your mouth to change feet?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


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RE: Plato explains the rise of Trump - 1/21/2017 8:13:15 AM   
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some people dont think its fair that california and new york can elect the pres for the rest of ud, thankfully we have the EC and it works well.

Democracy as in having a democratic republic, means a plurality is what wins...as in everything else except what is specifically codified in law. This is not.

A plurality of votes wins the states and plurality of votes make law at least where the plutocracy hasn't purchased anti-constitutional hurdles to over come a small minority as in the US Senate.

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RE: Plato explains the rise of Trump - 1/21/2017 8:13:48 AM   
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Eventually you may also finally understand the anti-establishment mood, and the rise of President Donald J. Trump


The anti estalishment mood elected an establishment guy???
Do you just open your mouth to change feet?
Jesus you are phoqing stupid.


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RE: Plato explains the rise of Trump - 1/21/2017 9:31:22 AM   
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Eventually you may also finally understand the anti-establishment mood, and the rise of President Donald J. Trump


The anti estalishment mood elected an establishment guy???
Do you just open your mouth to change feet?
Jesus you are phoqing stupid.



What is coming is a pres. who will willingly attached the strings that are attached to all of them. This forces their rhetoric to say one thing while behind closed doors...doing quite another.

For Trump while not a complete idiot, will be very, very useful for the right.

'Draining out the swamp' will mean the swamp of whatever the right doesn't want, while keeping the richest, rent-seeking, for-profit, warmongering, corp. welfare state swamp, as thick or thicker than ever.

The rhetoric as has been for almost 40 years, will be to create jobs, rebuild the inner cities help middle America, where little will once again, be farther...from the truth.

You will only be a 'real patriot' once again (how many times did he say that yesterday ?) as long as you do what the right wants to feed the corp. elites, the MIC and go to war in the middle east. Already here as well as in the past if you didn't want war, or if you are in opposition and if you don't agree...you are a traitor.

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RE: Plato explains the rise of Trump - 1/21/2017 9:43:32 AM   
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You will only be a 'real patriot' once again (how many times did he say that yesterday ?) as long as you do what the right wants to feed the corp. elites, the MIC and go to war in the middle east. Already here as well as in the past if you didn't want war, or if you are in opposition and if you don't agree...you are a traitor.



I don't think our newly minted president used the word "patriot" (or any of its forms) all that often, but be that as it may, the forty-year-long attack of the left, trying to make people believe that "patriotism" is a step on the road to nazism is one of the many reasons the Dumbocrats lost so many votes.

You see, there's people in this country that don't believe patriotism to be a bad word. On top of that, they don't see it as being a bad mind set.

Far too many of our citizens have fought under that flag for them to believe that serving one's country is a bad thing. Service to one's country would not be possible without some measure of patriotism. The Sith-ish demonization of that very word and ideal is going to cause the left to continue to lose ground (so, naturally, I support their efforts).



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RE: Plato explains the rise of Trump - 1/21/2017 9:44:16 AM   
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Another prophecy fulfilled.




Thank you for admitting that Democrats despise average Americans.

Eventually you may also finally understand the anti-establishment mood, and the rise of President Donald J. Trump

Except more 'plain folk' (average citizens) voted for HRC.

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RE: Plato explains the rise of Trump - 1/21/2017 9:50:30 AM   
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You are lost. The popular vote has absolutely nothing to do with the wording of DC's cute cartoon, which provides a nice window for viewing the standard Democrat's elitist view of average Americans

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RE: Plato explains the rise of Trump - 1/21/2017 10:15:17 AM   
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You are lost. The popular vote has absolutely nothing to do with the wording of DC's cute cartoon, which provides a nice window for viewing the standard Democrat's elitist view of average Americans


The words 'elite' and 'average' aren't appropriate there, I'd have thought. An 'elite' is usually taken to refer to a small minority at the top, whereas 'average', in most people's minds, refers to a majority. The people who look down on Trump aren't a minority and Trump supporters don't make up a majority.


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RE: Plato explains the rise of Trump - 1/21/2017 11:01:42 AM   
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You are lost. The popular vote has absolutely nothing to do with the wording of DC's cute cartoon, which provides a nice window for viewing the standard Democrat's elitist view of average Americans


The words 'elite' and 'average' aren't appropriate there, I'd have thought. An 'elite' is usually taken to refer to a small minority at the top, whereas 'average', in most people's minds, refers to a majority. The people who look down on Trump aren't a minority and Trump supporters don't make up a majority.



The word isn't elite, it is elitist

Anyone can feel elite, and disparage those who they feel are beneath them

DC in this example, and her childish cartoon portraying her hatred for average Americans



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RE: Plato explains the rise of Trump - 1/21/2017 11:34:54 AM   
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The word isn't elite, it is elitist

Anyone can feel elite, and disparage those who they feel are beneath them

DC in this example, and her childish cartoon portraying her hatred for average Americans



I would argue that, in this case, "elite" means the career politicians who make their living by deceiving people.

"Elite" is the Hollyweird Career actors who make their living by "deceiving" people.

"Elite" is every self-entitled dimwit that has embraced the politics of personalities. They do this because they can't argue policies because theirs suck. They have no other path except to demonize and trivialize anyone that doesn't fall into lock-step.

There was a radio personality/comedian/political commentator, back in the 60s named "Lenny Bruce". He was doing a club in Harlem, one night and, in the middle of his set, he said: "How many _______ are here, tonight?" He used the derogatory word for a person of color that starts with "N".

The room went hush (and it was a pretty big crowd). He immediately jumped into "imitating" the audience: "Did he just say that?" and "How dare that white mother-fucker ..."

Then, he said: "Yes, I said that and I'll tell you why: it's just a word. If President Kennedy would just get on TV one night and just say: '_______, ______, _______, ______, ______' the word would, eventually, lose all meaning and power to hurt."

I am NOT arguing that is a good way to handle that word by any stretch, but that is EXACTLY what has happened vis-a-vis calling ANYONE that disagrees with the lefty agenda a "racist", "sexist", "homophobe", "Islamaphobe", etc. The attacks have lost their ability to make good people who know the attacks are false go and cringe in the corner.

I think it's true that attacks of "racist" were made even more toothless on two levels:

Even by comparison, it was over-used to deflect attention away from the feckless behavior of Obummer and ...

Some of the same voters that voted for the idiot, twice, voted for President Trump. I have mentioned here, before that I live in a county that went +20% for Obama in 2012 and +5% for President Trump, this time. Was there a mass immigration of racists? Hardly. Good people who lost all their coal-related jobs or who were still lucky enough to be working who had voted for Obama, twice, got tired of the lack of economic recovery and hearing how racist they were.

Obama was right, when he said that he wasn't on the ballot, but his legacy was. The same people that voted the elitist, socialist scum into office rejected the "change" that he brought to the country and our politics.

However, the left (led by its politicians and Hollyweird douche canoes) has alienated a good portion of the "leftovers"; those that weren't lucky enough to be born into money and power or with an ability to fool people on stage or screen.

I have to admit I'm a bit confused by president Trump's appeal to the "average Joe", but I am on cloud nine, every time I think about the she-cunt being given the toe. Bag and baggage. Here's your hat. What's your hurry.



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RE: Plato explains the rise of Trump - 1/21/2017 11:41:17 AM   
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You will only be a 'real patriot' once again (how many times did he say that yesterday ?) as long as you do what the right wants to feed the corp. elites, the MIC and go to war in the middle east. Already here as well as in the past if you didn't want war, or if you are in opposition and if you don't agree...you are a traitor.



I don't think our newly minted president used the word "patriot" (or any of its forms) all that often, but be that as it may, the forty-year-long attack of the left, trying to make people believe that "patriotism" is a step on the road to nazism is one of the many reasons the Dumbocrats lost so many votes.

You see, there's people in this country that don't believe patriotism to be a bad word. On top of that, they don't see it as being a bad mind set.

Far too many of our citizens have fought under that flag for them to believe that serving one's country is a bad thing. Service to one's country would not be possible without some measure of patriotism. The Sith-ish demonization of that very word and ideal is going to cause the left to continue to lose ground (so, naturally, I support their efforts).



Michael


Holy crap -- what a pile of nonsense, Michael.

Honestly, what's the point of selling this "the left hates patriotism" bull? What does spreading flat out falsehood get you? What does it solve? What's accomplished?

You're lamenting the Straw America whose existence is your own fantasy.

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RE: Plato explains the rise of Trump - 1/21/2017 11:46:39 AM   
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Holy crap -- what a pile of nonsense, Michael.

Honestly, what's the point of selling this "the left hates patriotism" bull? What does spreading flat out falsehood get you? What does it solve? What's accomplished?

You're lamenting the Straw America whose existence is your own fantasy.



Thank you for proving my point so eloquently.



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RE: Plato explains the rise of Trump - 1/21/2017 11:51:33 AM   
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"Elite" is every self-entitled dimwit that has embraced the politics of personalities. They do this because they can't argue policies because theirs suck. They have no other path except to demonize and trivialize anyone that doesn't fall into lock-step.


Serious question - no irony - were you describing Trump there?

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RE: Plato explains the rise of Trump - 1/21/2017 12:06:57 PM   
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Holy crap -- what a pile of nonsense, Michael.

Honestly, what's the point of selling this "the left hates patriotism" bull? What does spreading flat out falsehood get you? What does it solve? What's accomplished?

You're lamenting the Straw America whose existence is your own fantasy.



Thank you for proving my point so eloquently.



Michael


Yeah OK. How does that demonstrate "the left hates patriotism" again?

Seriously Michael. But if that's the game, thank you for proving mine, if not eloquently.

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RE: Plato explains the rise of Trump - 1/21/2017 2:22:32 PM   
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Well, all the way back to Slick Willy, we heard things like "Patriotism is a mental illness" (not a direct quote, but the words are the correct ones).

We've seen leftists equate patriotism with jingoism, racism, name the "ism". It's been happening, all around, for years.

They berate the idea of just about any conservative American value in an effort to smash the old and bring in the new.

As a personal note: your very tone, dismissing my idea and experience is also an indication of the condescending attitude of the left. The other day, you started a post with: "What is wrong with you", directed at me because you didn't agree with what I posted.

The fact that you and I live in different Americas is a great comfort to me. I certainly don't want to live in yours and, as I've been saying for about thirty years: either a split/secession or a civil war is brewing in this country.

May God favor the bold.



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RE: Plato explains the rise of Trump - 1/21/2017 2:28:40 PM   
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Hint: "not a direct quote" means it's not a quote. Certainly not "correct."

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We've seen leftists equate patriotism with jingoism, racism, name the "ism".


Nonsense. Quite the opposite, in fact.




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