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RE: Forget it, America will never be great again - 1/25/2017 10:37:32 AM   
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Interesting that the "alternative facts" crowd are also the ones who have trouble with history😏



Yeh and ironically, once again, as usual, proven, 'alternative facts' are reality.

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RE: Forget it, America will never be great again - 1/25/2017 10:40:36 AM   
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Granted, what we said and what we did were two different things.




and it has never been any different with the imperialist reprobate whores.

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RE: Forget it, America will never be great again - 1/25/2017 10:50:05 AM   
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anohter altruistic benevolent american love story


1893 Americans overthrow Hawaiian monarchy
On the Hawaiian Islands, a group of American sugar planters under Sanford Ballard Dole overthrow Queen Liliuokalani, the Hawaiian monarch, and establish a new provincial government with Dole as president. The coup occurred with the foreknowledge of John L. Stevens, the U.S. minister to Hawaii, and 300 U.S. Marines from the U.S. cruiser Boston were called to Hawaii, allegedly to protect American lives.




I wonder who would have taken the island, if we hadn't. The Japanese? The Russians? The British?

It was the way of the world back then. Either allow your enemies to lay claim to everything, or claim it yourself as a means of defense. To try to claim that we are better or worse than others for being exactly like everyone else makes little sense. Even the islanders, natives everywhere, had their wars. Fought for domination against their neighbors



It still is the way of the world. whoever has the biggest guns says my way or the hiway, mite makes rite.

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RE: Forget it, America will never be great again - 1/25/2017 10:52:56 AM   
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Interesting that the "alternative facts" crowd are also the ones who have trouble with history😏



Yeh and ironically, once again, as usual, proven, 'alternative facts' are reality.


Which is the case 99.978% of the time

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RE: Forget it, America will never be great again - 1/25/2017 10:54:21 AM   
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It still is the way of the world. whoever has the biggest guns says my way or the hiway, mite makes rite.


Now their darling communist China is moving on the South China Sea. Probably just a launching pad

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RE: Forget it, America will never be great again - 1/25/2017 10:55:56 AM   
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anohter altruistic benevolent american love story


1893 Americans overthrow Hawaiian monarchy
On the Hawaiian Islands, a group of American sugar planters under Sanford Ballard Dole overthrow Queen Liliuokalani, the Hawaiian monarch, and establish a new provincial government with Dole as president. The coup occurred with the foreknowledge of John L. Stevens, the U.S. minister to Hawaii, and 300 U.S. Marines from the U.S. cruiser Boston were called to Hawaii, allegedly to protect American lives.




I wonder who would have taken the island, if we hadn't. The Japanese? The Russians? The British?

It was the way of the world back then. Either allow your enemies to lay claim to everything, or claim it yourself as a means of defense. To try to claim that we are better or worse than others for being exactly like everyone else makes little sense. Even the islanders, natives everywhere, had their wars. Fought for domination against their neighbors


Well, yeah, but that has been our claim since Woodrow Wilson decried imperialism. Granted, what we said and what we did were two different things. That brings up another interesting issue. The core issue that sparked both great wars of the 20th Century was imperialistic ambition. Some nations were advancing theirs and others were defending theirs. Soooo , , , , how were they righteous wars? And did young men not die in vain?



You talking about germany trying to get out from under british oppression?

Germanophobia is defined as an opposition to or fear of Germany, its inhabitants, its culture and the German language.[1] Its opposite is Germanophilia.

As a political phenomenon, anti-German sentiment became significant especially from the mid-19th Century, parallel with the Unification of Germany and its rise as a world power.

Negative comments about Germany had begun to appear in Britain in the 1870s, following the Prussian victory in the Franco-Prussian War in 1870–71.[3] Criticisms were expressed in the press and in the birth of the invasion novel (e.g. The Battle of Dorking), many of which focused on the idea that Britain might be Germany's next victim.[4]

In 1887, the label Made in Germany was introduced, to get British buyers to adhere to the concept of "buying British". After suffering slight losses, German manufacturers soon found the label to be of good use.

In the 1890s there was widespread hostility towards foreigners in Britain, mainly directed against eastern European Jews but also including Germans. Joseph Bannister believed that German residents in Britain were mostly "gambling-house keepers, hotel-porters, barbers, 'bullies', runaway conscripts, bath-attendants, street musicians, criminals, bakers, socialists, cheap clerks, etc". Interviewees for the Royal Commission on Alien Immigration believed that Germans were not of the white race and involved in prostitution and burglary. Many people viewed Germans working in Britain as non whites and as threatening the livelihood of Britons by being willing to work for longer hours.[5]

Anti-German hostility deepened since early 1896 after the Kruger telegram of Kaiser Wilhelm II, in which he congratulated President Kruger of the Transvaal on resisting the British Jameson Raid. Attacks on Germans in London were reported in the German press at the time but do not appear to have actually occurred. The Saturday Review (London) suggested "be ready to fight Germany, as Germania delenda est" ("Germany is to be destroyed", a reference to the coda against the Carthaginians adopted by Cato's speeches in the second Roman Republic). The Kaiser's reputation was further degraded by his angry tirade and the Daily Telegraph Affair.[6]


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RE: Forget it, America will never be great again - 1/25/2017 10:59:38 AM   
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It still is the way of the world. whoever has the biggest guns says my way or the hiway, mite makes rite.


Now their darling communist China is moving on the South China Sea. Probably just a launching pad



people are spoon fed bullshit by the media until the time comes to implement whatever operation is on the docket.

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RE: Forget it, America will never be great again - 1/25/2017 11:36:25 AM   
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Why do those Amercashire jackals have Hawaii anyhoos? I must look that up one day.

Now - the history of his birth certificate does actually perplex me a little bit.

Because of sugar profits harvested with foreign slave labor.

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RE: Forget it, America will never be great again - 1/25/2017 11:38:05 AM   
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vincentML I really don't know that one or why it became the 50th state....



It was a territory long before that and got their monarch to tax the fuck out of their labor and then fuck them out of their property.

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RE: Forget it, America will never be great again - 1/25/2017 11:39:27 AM   
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Article I, Section 3 of the Constitution sets three qualifications for senators: (1) they must be at least 30 years old, (2) they must have been citizens of the United States for at least the past nine years, and (3) they must be inhabitants of the states they seek to represent at the time of their election.

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RE: Forget it, America will never be great again - 1/25/2017 11:42:09 AM   
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So, we subjugated Hawaii and Russia subjugated Cuba, follow the sugar.

Yep

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RE: Forget it, America will never be great again - 1/25/2017 12:14:56 PM   
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It was the way of the world back then. Either allow your enemies to lay claim to everything, or claim it yourself as a means of defense. To try to claim that we are better or worse than others for being exactly like everyone else makes little sense. Even the islanders, natives everywhere, had their wars. Fought for domination against their neighbors


Well, yeah, but that has been our claim since Woodrow Wilson decried imperialism. Granted, what we said and what we did were two different things. That brings up another interesting issue. The core issue that sparked both great wars of the 20th Century was imperialistic ambition. Some nations were advancing theirs and others were defending theirs. Soooo , , , , how were they righteous wars? And did young men not die in vain?

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You talking about germany trying to get out from under british oppression?

Germanophobia is defined as an opposition to or fear of Germany, its inhabitants, its culture and the German language.[1] Its opposite is Germanophilia.

As a political phenomenon, anti-German sentiment became significant especially from the mid-19th Century, parallel with the Unification of Germany and its rise as a world power.

[SNIP]

In the 1890s there was widespread hostility towards foreigners in Britain, mainly directed against eastern European Jews but also including Germans. Joseph Bannister believed that German residents in Britain were mostly "gambling-house keepers, hotel-porters, barbers, 'bullies', runaway conscripts, bath-attendants, street musicians, criminals, bakers, socialists, cheap clerks, etc". Interviewees for the Royal Commission on Alien Immigration believed that Germans were not of the white race and involved in prostitution and burglary. Many people viewed Germans working in Britain as non whites and as threatening the livelihood of Britons by being willing to work for longer hours.[5]


As I read it, the primary impetus to war was born of imperial conflict. The British sought to protect their huge empire while Germany sought to expand. There were a series of conflicts between British and German colonials in Africa. Most importantly, however, Germany engaged in an effort to build its navy into a force that could challenge the British navy.

While there was a propaganda campaign against all things and people German amongst the British, that was not a form of "oppression" no matter how uncomfortable it was for Germans in the UK.

I am laying out the proposition that the true horror of the 20th Century is that untold tens of millions of people died needlessly for Empires.

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RE: Forget it, America will never be great again - 1/25/2017 12:28:24 PM   
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Interesting that the "alternative facts" crowd are also the ones who have trouble with history😏



Yeh and ironically, once again, as usual, proven, 'alternative facts' are reality.

So that history didn't happen? Do tell, no Oracle, what really happened!
Did china never have communist? That the nationalist never item, does Taiwan not even exist, which are the alternate facts?

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RE: Forget it, America will never be great again - 1/25/2017 3:05:24 PM   
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Interesting that the "alternative facts" crowd are also the ones who have trouble with history😏



Yeh and ironically, once again, as usual, proven, 'alternative facts' are reality.

So that history didn't happen? Do tell, no Oracle, what really happened!
Did china never have communist? That the nationalist never item, does Taiwan not even exist, which are the alternate facts?


You are a moron. You are obviously far too stupid to do this on your own without direction... Try clicking on the link he provided, and then you will have (maybe) half a clue as to what he was talking about



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RE: Forget it, America will never be great again - 1/25/2017 3:31:58 PM   
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Article I, Section 3 of the Constitution sets three qualifications for senators: (1) they must be at least 30 years old, (2) they must have been citizens of the United States for at least the past nine years, and (3) they must be inhabitants of the states they seek to represent at the time of their election.



therefore if mommy dear filled out the proper paperwork when she came back to the states would meke him eligible to be a senator but not a prezziedante

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RE: Forget it, America will never be great again - 1/25/2017 5:17:04 PM   
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Interesting that the "alternative facts" crowd are also the ones who have trouble with history😏



Yeh and ironically, once again, as usual, proven, 'alternative facts' are reality.

So that history didn't happen? Do tell, no Oracle, what really happened!
Did china never have communist? That the nationalist never item, does Taiwan not even exist, which are the alternate facts?


You are a moron. You are obviously far too stupid to do this on your own without direction... Try clicking on the link he provided, and then you will have (maybe) half a clue as to what he was talking about



Maybe look up "history" -- they probably don't cover that in alternative facts school. 😋😎

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RE: Forget it, America will never be great again - 1/26/2017 4:42:06 AM   
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Article I, Section 3 of the Constitution sets three qualifications for senators: (1) they must be at least 30 years old, (2) they must have been citizens of the United States for at least the past nine years, and (3) they must be inhabitants of the states they seek to represent at the time of their election.



therefore if mommy dear filled out the proper paperwork when she came back to the states would meke him eligible to be a senator but not a prezziedante

So Obama wasn't constitutionally entitled to become president?
How extraordinary: you would think that somebody might have mentioned that at some point during the last eight years if it were true.

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RE: Forget it, America will never be great again - 1/26/2017 5:33:46 AM   
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Do they figure we should not let him be ex-president?

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RE: Forget it, America will never be great again - 1/26/2017 5:40:38 AM   
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I'm just astonished that nobody thought to mention this while he was President for two terms. It shows a remarkable tact, restraint and faith in the American political system to self regulate on the part of the right if there were concerns that he might not be an American citizen without all sorts of hysterical whining and screeching tantrums about it, doesn't it?


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RE: Forget it, America will never be great again - 1/26/2017 5:56:59 AM   
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I think you nailed it in another post -- they can't stand with what's happening, so they're obsessed with the past: Obama this, Hilary that, even though they're gone and inconsequential.

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