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BoscoX -> RE: Who's going to pay for this? (1/26/2017 4:51:13 PM)
A "bad idea" that Democrats voted for quote: Top Democrats Voted For The Border Wall Trump Is Building President Donald Trump will be able to order the construction of a wall on the Mexico border Wednesday with the stroke of a pen, because of a 2006 law passed with the help of Democrats including Barack Obama, Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton.

Musicmystery -> RE: Who's going to pay for this? (1/26/2017 4:56:30 PM)
Morons in both major parties. Expensive bullshit is still expensive bullshit, whether Afghanistan, Iraq, or a pointless wall.

tj444 -> RE: Who's going to pay for this? (1/26/2017 6:14:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey I don't really know how he will pay for it, nor do I think any of us really know, but I think he might cut aid to them, if they want military equipment, pay full boat. If they want to import stuff, charge a huge tarriff. If they want anything, refuse it. There will be an Anti-American backlash which will cost them their tourist dollars. In the end, they pay, one way or the other. Tourist $$ no longer floating into Mexico isn't going to fund the wall. Mexico will lose $$, but that money isn't going towards building the wall. Y'all/Trump wants Mexico to "pay" for this stupid wall but reality is that the vast majority of illegal immigrants arent from Mexico, they are from central American countries.. btw, Mexico has an illegal immigration problem too, cuz many of those illegal immigrants stay in Mexico.. and if Trump puts a yuuuuuge tariff on imported Mexican goods, it's y'all that are gonna be paying it (every time you buy those items), not Mexico.. "A study from Pew Research, for instance, suggests that more immigrants have returned to Mexico since the end of the Great Recession in 2009 than have migrated to the U.S. The vast majority of immigrants arriving in the U.S. illegally now come from central America." "The U.S. has been helped, too, especially in border states such as Texas. Exports to Mexico have climbed from $68 billion in 1994 to an estimated $235 billion in 2016." http://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-calls-us-mexico-trade-one-sided-heres-the-reality-2017-01-26

BoscoX -> RE: Who's going to pay for this? (1/26/2017 7:24:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Morons in both major parties. Expensive bullshit is still expensive bullshit, whether Afghanistan, Iraq, or a pointless wall. No, its just that Trump has an R by his name, and Democrats are more filled with contempt for the United States now. They've moved so far left they're fringe wackos now, totally out of touch with regular people Think maybe I'll get with the groove and start a couple of dozen threads on that

mnottertail -> RE: Who's going to pay for this? (1/26/2017 7:39:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Morons in both major parties. Expensive bullshit is still expensive bullshit, whether Afghanistan, Iraq, or a pointless wall. No, its just that Trump has an R by his name, and Democrats are more filled with contempt for the United States now. They've moved so far left they're fringe wackos now, totally out of touch with regular people Think maybe I'll get with the groove and start a couple of dozen threads on that Sorry felchgobbler, they voted for no such thing. But it is fitting that you end your day alone and in your moms basement with a sock for human contact. Do they allow you hand lotion in the compound?

WhoreMods -> RE: Who's going to pay for this? (1/27/2017 4:28:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX No, its just that Trump has an R by his name, and Democrats are more filled with contempt for the United States now. They've moved so far left they're fringe wackos now, totally out of touch with regular people If they were so far left they wouldn't have voted for a presidential candidate who came across as Gerald Ford in drag, rather than a lefty, would they?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Who's going to pay for this? (1/27/2017 11:08:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey I don't really know how he will pay for it, nor do I think any of us really know, but I think he might cut aid to them, if they want military equipment, pay full boat. If they want to import stuff, charge a huge tarriff. If they want anything, refuse it. There will be an Anti-American backlash which will cost them their tourist dollars. In the end, they pay, one way or the other. Tourist $$ no longer floating into Mexico isn't going to fund the wall. Mexico will lose $$, but that money isn't going towards building the wall. Y'all/Trump wants Mexico to "pay" for this stupid wall but reality is that the vast majority of illegal immigrants arent from Mexico, they are from central American countries.. btw, Mexico has an illegal immigration problem too, cuz many of those illegal immigrants stay in Mexico.. and if Trump puts a yuuuuuge tariff on imported Mexican goods, it's y'all that are gonna be paying it (every time you buy those items), not Mexico.. "A study from Pew Research, for instance, suggests that more immigrants have returned to Mexico since the end of the Great Recession in 2009 than have migrated to the U.S. The vast majority of immigrants arriving in the U.S. illegally now come from central America." "The U.S. has been helped, too, especially in border states such as Texas. Exports to Mexico have climbed from $68 billion in 1994 to an estimated $235 billion in 2016." http://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-calls-us-mexico-trade-one-sided-heres-the-reality-2017-01-26 I'm not sure why you responded to my post, but, whatever. I don't really care where they come from, to be honest. I only care how they're getting in illegally. I don't care where the legal ones are coming from, either. I only care that they are coming in legally. A border wall that prevents illegal entry by people coming up from (or through) Mexico is going to cut down on the overall number of illegal immigrants getting into the country. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/03/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/ quote: Mexicans made up 52% of all unauthorized immigrants in 2014, though their numbers had been declining in recent years. There were 5.8 million Mexican unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S. that year, down from 6.4 million in 2009, according to the latest Pew Research Center estimates. Meanwhile, the number of unauthorized immigrants from nations other than Mexico grew by 325,000 since 2009, to an estimated 5.3 million in 2014. Populations went up most for unauthorized immigrants from Asia and Central America, but the number also ticked up for those from sub-Saharan Africa. Increases in the number of unauthorized immigrants from other countries mostly offset the decline in the number from Mexico. Might not be more new illegals from Central America than Mexico, but it's definite that more new illegals are non-Mexican. And, yes, you're correct (and I've told people in real life the very same thing) that placing a tariff (yuge or not) on goods coming into the US from Mexico, won't be paid by Mexico, but by consumers of those goods. Maybe we should put tariffs on goods exported from the US into Mexico? Let them pay for it!

tj444 -> RE: Who's going to pay for this? (1/27/2017 3:24:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey I don't really know how he will pay for it, nor do I think any of us really know, but I think he might cut aid to them, if they want military equipment, pay full boat. If they want to import stuff, charge a huge tarriff. If they want anything, refuse it. There will be an Anti-American backlash which will cost them their tourist dollars. In the end, they pay, one way or the other. Tourist $$ no longer floating into Mexico isn't going to fund the wall. Mexico will lose $$, but that money isn't going towards building the wall. Y'all/Trump wants Mexico to "pay" for this stupid wall but reality is that the vast majority of illegal immigrants arent from Mexico, they are from central American countries.. btw, Mexico has an illegal immigration problem too, cuz many of those illegal immigrants stay in Mexico.. and if Trump puts a yuuuuuge tariff on imported Mexican goods, it's y'all that are gonna be paying it (every time you buy those items), not Mexico.. "A study from Pew Research, for instance, suggests that more immigrants have returned to Mexico since the end of the Great Recession in 2009 than have migrated to the U.S. The vast majority of immigrants arriving in the U.S. illegally now come from central America." "The U.S. has been helped, too, especially in border states such as Texas. Exports to Mexico have climbed from $68 billion in 1994 to an estimated $235 billion in 2016." http://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-calls-us-mexico-trade-one-sided-heres-the-reality-2017-01-26 I'm not sure why you responded to my post, but, whatever. I don't really care where they come from, to be honest. I only care how they're getting in illegally. I don't care where the legal ones are coming from, either. I only care that they are coming in legally. A border wall that prevents illegal entry by people coming up from (or through) Mexico is going to cut down on the overall number of illegal immigrants getting into the country. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/03/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/ quote: Mexicans made up 52% of all unauthorized immigrants in 2014, though their numbers had been declining in recent years. There were 5.8 million Mexican unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S. that year, down from 6.4 million in 2009, according to the latest Pew Research Center estimates. Meanwhile, the number of unauthorized immigrants from nations other than Mexico grew by 325,000 since 2009, to an estimated 5.3 million in 2014. Populations went up most for unauthorized immigrants from Asia and Central America, but the number also ticked up for those from sub-Saharan Africa. Increases in the number of unauthorized immigrants from other countries mostly offset the decline in the number from Mexico. Might not be more new illegals from Central America than Mexico, but it's definite that more new illegals are non-Mexican. And, yes, you're correct (and I've told people in real life the very same thing) that placing a tariff (yuge or not) on goods coming into the US from Mexico, won't be paid by Mexico, but by consumers of those goods. Maybe we should put tariffs on goods exported from the US into Mexico? Let them pay for it! putting a tariff on goods to Mexico would simply mean that Mexico would buy from China or some other country.. that will happen anyway if the US dollar rises or the Peso drops.. your goods become too expensive.. the peso has been dropping for a while now so I expect Mexican buyers are looking for other suppliers already.. the southern US states in particular would be pissed if there was an exit tariff.. 5 million or more American jobs rely on trade with Mexico.. sorta makes those measily 800 American jobs at Carrier look like chicken feed.. go ahead and build yer wall, those soon-to-be-unemployed 5 million Americans will need those wall-building jobs soon..

Musicmystery -> RE: Who's going to pay for this? (1/27/2017 5:52:44 PM)
Putting a 20% tariff on Mexican goods just means that the American taxpayer is going to face 20% higher prices in order to pay for a pointless wall. U.S.-Mexico Trade Facts U.S. goods and services trade with Mexico totaled an estimated $583.6 billion in 2015. Exports were $267.2 billion; imports were $316.4 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with Mexico was -$49.2 billion in 2015. Mexico is currently our 3rd largest goods trading partner with $531 billion in total (two way) goods trade during 2015. Goods exports totaled $236 billion; goods imports totaled $295 billion. The U.S. goods trade deficit with Mexico was $58 billion in 2015. Trade in services with Mexico (exports and imports) totaled an estimated $52.4 billion in 2015. Services exports were $30.8 billion; services imports were $21.6 billion. The U.S. services trade surplus with Mexico was $9.2 billion in 2015. According to the Department of Commerce, U.S. exports of goods and services to Mexico supported an estimated 1.1 million jobs in 2014 (latest data available) (953 thousand supported by goods exports and 193 thousand supported by services exports). Exports Mexico was the United States' 2nd largest goods export market in 2015. U.S. goods exports to Mexico in 2015 were $236 billion, down 1.6% ($3.9 billion) from 2014 but up 97% from 2005. U.S. exports to Mexico are up 468% from 1993 (pre-NAFTA). U.S. exports to Mexico account for 15.7% of overall U.S. exports in 2015. The top export categories (2-digit HS) in 2015 were: machinery ($42 billion), electrical machinery ($41 billion), vehicles ($22 billion), mineral fuels ($19 billion), and plastics ($17 billion). U.S. exports of agricultural products to Mexico totaled $18 billion in 2015, our 3th largest agricultural export market. Leading categories include: corn ($2.3 billion), soybeans ($1.4 billion), dairy products ($1.3 billion), pork & pork products ($1.3 billion), and beef & beef products ($1.1 billion). U.S. exports of services to Mexico were an estimated $30.8 billion in 2015, 2.7% ($807 million) more than 2014, and 36.7% greater than 2005 levels. It was up roughly 196% from 1993 (pre-NAFTA). Based on 2014, leading services exports from the U.S. to Mexico were in the travel, transportation, and intellectual property (computer software) sectors. Imports Mexico was the United States' 3rd largest supplier of goods imports in 2015. U.S. goods imports from Mexico totaled $295 billion in 2015, up 0.2% ($667 million) from 2014, and up 73% from 2005. U.S. imports from Mexico are up 638% from 1993 (pre-NAFTA). U.S. imports from Mexico are up 638% from 1993 (pre-NAFTA). The top import categories (2-digit HS) in 2015 were: vehicles ($74 billion), electrical machinery ($63 billion), machinery ($49 billion), mineral fuels ($14 billion), and optical and medical instruments ($12 billion). U.S. imports of agricultural products from Mexico totaled $21 billion in 2015, our 2nd largest supplier of agricultural imports. Leading categories include: fresh vegetables ($4.8 billion), other fresh fruit ($4.3 billion), wine and beer ($2.7 billion), snack foods ($1.7 billion), and processed fruit & vegetables ($1.4 billion). U.S. imports of services from Mexico were an estimated $21.6 billion in 2015, 11.0% ($2.1 billion) more than 2014, and 50.0% greater than 2005 levels. It was up roughly 191% from 1993 (pre-NAFTA). Based on 2014, leading services imports from Mexico to the U.S. were in the travel, transportation, and technical and other services sectors. Trade Balance The U.S. goods trade deficit with Mexico was $58 billion in 2015, a 8.4% increase ($4.5 billion) over 2014. The United States has a services trade surplus of an estimated $9.2 billion with Mexico in 2015, down 12.7% from 2014. Investment U.S. foreign direct investment (FDI) in Mexico (stock) was $107.8 billion in 2014 (latest data available), a 5.3% increase from 2013. U.S. direct investment in Mexico is led by nonbank holding companies, manufacturing, and finance/insurance. Mexico's FDI in the United States (stock) was $17.7 billion in 2014 (latest data available), up 4.0% from 2013. Mexico's direct investment in the U.S. is led by manufacturing, wholesale trade, and depository institutions. Sales of services in Mexico by majority U.S.-owned affiliates were $43.4 billion in 2013 (latest data available), while sales of services in the United States by majority Mexico-owned firms were $7.5 billion. https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas/mexico

BoscoX -> RE: Who's going to pay for this? (1/27/2017 8:12:55 PM)
Remember when Obama wanted a border wall? And no one screamed that he was a racist?

WhoreMods -> RE: Who's going to pay for this? (1/28/2017 6:31:12 AM)
Wow. Nineteen whole seconds taken out of context without even a hint as to the clip's provenance or what any of the out of context muttering about border security was addressing.

Musicmystery -> RE: Who's going to pay for this? (1/28/2017 6:35:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX Remember when Obama wanted a border wall? And no one screamed that he was a racist? Right now, people are screaming spendthrift. And before you start with "but Obama," previous spendthrifts, whether Reagan, Bush, or Obama, aren't reason to sink ourselves more.

BoscoX -> RE: Who's going to pay for this? (1/28/2017 7:27:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX Remember when Obama wanted a border wall? And no one screamed that he was a racist? Right now, people are screaming spendthrift. And before you start with "but Obama," previous spendthrifts, whether Reagan, Bush, or Obama, aren't reason to sink ourselves more. Empty headed haters throwing everything there is, hoping that something sticks.

mnottertail -> RE: Who's going to pay for this? (1/28/2017 7:56:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX Remember when Obama wanted a border wall? And no one screamed that he was a racist? Nope, nobody remembers Obama wanting a border wall, and you dont either, especially not you as a retarded nutsucker. The 700 mile fence voted on was installed. Done and over. Nobody but retarded nutsuckers have advocated spending billions for a wall that wont work. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1404856746192286&set=a.188303444514295.50224.100000039237079&type=3&theater

Musicmystery -> RE: Who's going to pay for this? (1/28/2017 7:58:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX Remember when Obama wanted a border wall? And no one screamed that he was a racist? Right now, people are screaming spendthrift. And before you start with "but Obama," previous spendthrifts, whether Reagan, Bush, or Obama, aren't reason to sink ourselves more. Empty headed haters throwing everything there is, hoping that something sticks. We used to call people asking "where is this $25 billion coming from" conservatives. Now they're "haters." Spreading mathism, I suppose. Clue: There already is a fence along the border. Clue #2: NONE of Texas' 38 members of Congress want the wall. http://theweek.com/speedreads/675971/texas-longest-border-mexico-zero-38-members-congress-support-trumps-wall

Musicmystery -> RE: Who's going to pay for this? (1/28/2017 8:13:20 AM)
Additionally: Lawmakers: Trump Mexico tax plan would hurt Texas “It’s going to hurt U.S. industrial performance rather than help it,” said Tom Fullerton, an economist at the University of Texas at El Paso. “It’s going to increase unemployment rather than reduce it.” Fullerton explained that most cross-border trade is between companies that often ship products back and forth multiple times, adding value each step of the way. Imposing a 20% hit on each northward step would cause severe economic dislocation, shuttering businesses on both sides of the border, he said. “It threatens to disrupt intricate supply chains that link the two economies together,” Fullerton said. The Texas economy, already struggling because of low energy prices, is highly dependent on trade with Mexico. According to Census Bureau figures, 33% of U.S. imports from Mexico flow through Texas, and 37% of U.S. exports to Mexico come from the Lone Star State. Unlike the nation as a whole, Texas has a trade surplus with Mexico. In 2015, it sent $92 billion worth of goods across the border while importing $84 billion, the Census Bureau reported. The idea of levying a 20% import tax to pay for the border wall was floated a day after Trump signed an executive order to build the wall, while continuing to insist he’d make Mexico pay for it. U.S. Rep. Will Hurd, R-Texas, criticized both the wall plan, and the import tax idea. “Building a wall is the most expensive and least effective way to secure the border, so as a conservative, I don't believe it is something that anyone should pay for,” Hurd, whose district spans 800 miles of the border, said in an email to the El Paso Times. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/01/26/lawmakers-trump-mexico-tax-plan-would-hurt-texas/97120400/

BoscoX -> RE: Who's going to pay for this? (1/28/2017 8:27:31 AM)
"Liberals" suddenly discovering fiscal responsibility = snake tears.

Musicmystery -> RE: Who's going to pay for this? (1/28/2017 8:30:32 AM)
Still a dumb and expensive wall. Try considering ideas on their merits, instead of whether they're left/right liberal/conservative. In this case, you aren't even considering the conservative point. Isn't winning people over the point of debate? Or is it just about the snark for you? If you want to pay for it, send Trump a check, and Texas compensation. W. prized our relationship with Mexico. I suppose he's a liberal now. And the entire Texan GOP delegation. Dumb. Expensive. Pointless.

BoscoX -> RE: Who's going to pay for this? (1/28/2017 8:53:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Still a dumb and expensive wall. Try considering ideas on their merits, instead of whether they're left/right liberal/conservative. In this case, you aren't even considering the conservative point. Isn't winning people over the point of debate? Or is it just about the snark for you? If you want to pay for it, send Trump a check, and Texas compensation. W. prized our relationship with Mexico. I suppose he's a liberal now. And the entire Texan GOP delegation. Dumb. Expensive. Pointless. Border security has been paramount to most conservatives for a long time, and another thing (like fiscal responsibility) that enraged us when the RINOs turned their backs on their campaign promises National security is among the few legitimate roles for the feral government. "Liberals" suddenly crying about the government spending money fulfilling its legitimate role is laughable Don't you have a mom n pop bakery or a mud puddle that needs micromanaging somewhere

mnottertail -> RE: Who's going to pay for this? (1/28/2017 8:59:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX Remember when Obama wanted a border wall? And no one screamed that he was a racist? Right now, people are screaming spendthrift. And before you start with "but Obama," previous spendthrifts, whether Reagan, Bush, or Obama, aren't reason to sink ourselves more. Empty headed haters throwing everything there is, hoping that something sticks. Not really, Mexico will pay for the wall. Do it then. We dont want to pay, it is ineffective, and we as free people dont give a fuck that it makes the nutsuckers quit shitting their pants for an hour, it is not in the country's best interests, and it solves no problems.

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