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While many threats played into the decision to move the clock 30 seconds forward from where it was in 2016, one person in particular prompted the scientists to act.

"Never before has the Bulletin decided to advance the clock largely because of the statements of a single person. But when that person is the new president of the United States, his words matter," David Titley and Lawrence M. Krauss of the Bulletin wrote in an New York Times op-ed.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/01/26/doomsday-clock-end-world-nuclear-weapons-climate-change-donald-trump/97077736/

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While many threats played into the decision to move the clock 30 seconds forward from where it was in 2016, one person in particular prompted the scientists to act.

"Never before has the Bulletin decided to advance the clock largely because of the statements of a single person. But when that person is the new president of the United States, his words matter," David Titley and Lawrence M. Krauss of the Bulletin wrote in an New York Times op-ed.

But of course, this is all just fake news by a liberal organization that is biased against Trump, the innocent victim.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/01/26/doomsday-clock-end-world-nuclear-weapons-climate-change-donald-trump/97077736/

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While many threats played into the decision to move the clock 30 seconds forward from where it was in 2016, one person in particular prompted the scientists to act.

"Never before has the Bulletin decided to advance the clock largely because of the statements of a single person. But when that person is the new president of the United States, his words matter," David Titley and Lawrence M. Krauss of the Bulletin wrote in an New York Times op-ed.

But of course, this is all just fake news by a liberal organization that is biased against Trump, the innocent victim.

Of course we all know that those people love Trump but are faced with reality.
BTW Mt St Helens was also his fault.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

Remember how USAToday never used to side with either political candidate?

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/01/26/doomsday-clock-end-world-nuclear-weapons-climate-change-donald-trump/97077736/

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While many threats played into the decision to move the clock 30 seconds forward from where it was in 2016, one person in particular prompted the scientists to act.

"Never before has the Bulletin decided to advance the clock largely because of the statements of a single person. But when that person is the new president of the United States, his words matter," David Titley and Lawrence M. Krauss of the Bulletin wrote in an New York Times op-ed.

But of course, this is all just fake news by a liberal organization that is biased against Trump, the innocent victim.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/01/26/doomsday-clock-end-world-nuclear-weapons-climate-change-donald-trump/97077736/

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While many threats played into the decision to move the clock 30 seconds forward from where it was in 2016, one person in particular prompted the scientists to act.

"Never before has the Bulletin decided to advance the clock largely because of the statements of a single person. But when that person is the new president of the United States, his words matter," David Titley and Lawrence M. Krauss of the Bulletin wrote in an New York Times op-ed.

But of course, this is all just fake news by a liberal organization that is biased against Trump, the innocent victim.

Of course we all know that those people love Trump but are faced with reality.
BTW Mt St Helens was also his fault.

And of course they don't have legitimate reasons for any of this-- it's all because they are on the payroll of the fucking Chinese government.

Remember how USAToday never used to side with either political candidate?

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

Remember how USAToday never used to side with either political candidate?

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/01/26/doomsday-clock-end-world-nuclear-weapons-climate-change-donald-trump/97077736/

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While many threats played into the decision to move the clock 30 seconds forward from where it was in 2016, one person in particular prompted the scientists to act.

"Never before has the Bulletin decided to advance the clock largely because of the statements of a single person. But when that person is the new president of the United States, his words matter," David Titley and Lawrence M. Krauss of the Bulletin wrote in an New York Times op-ed.

But of course, this is all just fake news by a liberal organization that is biased against Trump, the innocent victim.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/01/26/doomsday-clock-end-world-nuclear-weapons-climate-change-donald-trump/97077736/

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Forget the USA today story, you might actually want to read the entire statement.

Not once is Trump's attitude, statements or possible insanity is mentioned.

However, climate change, the increasing number of fake news stories on social media (citing the Pakistan’s foreign minister issued
a blustery statement, a tweet actually, flexing Pakistan’s nuclear muscle—in response to a fabricated “news” story about Israel.) as one of the reasons for the move.

And the fake news stories is a valid point. In the US, we had one guy who was arrested due to fake stories about pizzagate, specifically Hillary being involved in a child trafficking ring operating out of a pizza parlor.

Intelligent educated men and women see something that looks valid and react to it, because in many cases, there is no time to actually double check the facts before taking whatever necessary steps if the story is true.

Some years ago, a poster on this site posted a link to a 'news' story about a Texas ranch on the Rio Grande having been taken over by Mexican drug cartel members, and that the local sheriff and police were in a gun fight.

When others posted that none of the major news outlets had anything on the story, he responded by stating it was a news black out by the Bush Administration.

The truth is that it never happened, but so many people who read the initial story on a right wing extremist web site spread it across the country, and in the county where it was allegedly happened, the local 911 system was overwhelmed, which resulted in at least one fatality due to the simple fact that the call to 911 could not get through to summon an ambulance and paramedics.

Nor is our modern technology mistake free.

Since the years of Bush sr, there have been no less than 15 incidents where completely benign incidents caused nuclear forces in both the US and Russia to issue preliminary go orders, which means that everything was ready to launch and was waiting for Presidential order to actually go to war.

One case was the asteroid that detonated over Russia, simply because that rock's trajectory appeared ballistic in nature. Their computers read it as a launch from a western nation.

It didnt help that these people 'in the know' with 'connections to the defense department' also made statements that baby nukes were being used against Syrian rebels.

The bombs in question turned out to be Vietnam era daisy cutters. A 32000 pound bomb originally designed to be dropped from the b36 peacemaker bomber in lieu of an actual nuke. The Vietnam era version had a 20 foot probe attached to the nose to cause it to detonate 20 feet above the ground, and was dropped from a cargo plane.

Yet the faked news story got enough attention that various state departments in the middle east were demanding proof that nukes were not being used.

The point being is simple, social media and computerized fail safe systems may just be the undoing of the world as we know it.

Lets face reality, there is no sane reason for the US and Russia to have on hand enough nuclear weapons to hit every target in either country 10 times over.

And still leave enough to blast any other place our leaders see fit.

Mutually Assured Destruction, not only for the super powers, but everyone else on this rock.

To be quite honest, when you think about the situation scientifically, the human species behaves more like a cancer than anything else. We have the power to either improve our ecosystem and thus provide a viable habitat for future generations or we can destroy it.

And we are destroying it in the name of progress.

Humans therefore are a failed evolutionary experiment.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Forget the USA today story, you might actually want to read the entire statement.

Not once is Trump's attitude, statements or possible insanity is mentioned.

However, climate change, the increasing number of fake news stories on social media (citing the Pakistan’s foreign minister issued
a blustery statement, a tweet actually, flexing Pakistan’s nuclear muscle—in response to a fabricated “news” story about Israel.) as one of the reasons for the move.

And the fake news stories is a valid point. In the US, we had one guy who was arrested due to fake stories about pizzagate, specifically Hillary being involved in a child trafficking ring operating out of a pizza parlor.

Intelligent educated men and women see something that looks valid and react to it, because in many cases, there is no time to actually double check the facts before taking whatever necessary steps if the story is true.

Some years ago, a poster on this site posted a link to a 'news' story about a Texas ranch on the Rio Grande having been taken over by Mexican drug cartel members, and that the local sheriff and police were in a gun fight.

When others posted that none of the major news outlets had anything on the story, he responded by stating it was a news black out by the Bush Administration.

The truth is that it never happened, but so many people who read the initial story on a right wing extremist web site spread it across the country, and in the county where it was allegedly happened, the local 911 system was overwhelmed, which resulted in at least one fatality due to the simple fact that the call to 911 could not get through to summon an ambulance and paramedics.

Nor is our modern technology mistake free.

Since the years of Bush sr, there have been no less than 15 incidents where completely benign incidents caused nuclear forces in both the US and Russia to issue preliminary go orders, which means that everything was ready to launch and was waiting for Presidential order to actually go to war.

One case was the asteroid that detonated over Russia, simply because that rock's trajectory appeared ballistic in nature. Their computers read it as a launch from a western nation.

It didnt help that these people 'in the know' with 'connections to the defense department' also made statements that baby nukes were being used against Syrian rebels.

The bombs in question turned out to be Vietnam era daisy cutters. A 32000 pound bomb originally designed to be dropped from the b36 peacemaker bomber in lieu of an actual nuke. The Vietnam era version had a 20 foot probe attached to the nose to cause it to detonate 20 feet above the ground, and was dropped from a cargo plane.

Yet the faked news story got enough attention that various state departments in the middle east were demanding proof that nukes were not being used.

The point being is simple, social media and computerized fail safe systems may just be the undoing of the world as we know it.

Lets face reality, there is no sane reason for the US and Russia to have on hand enough nuclear weapons to hit every target in either country 10 times over.

And still leave enough to blast any other place our leaders see fit.

Mutually Assured Destruction, not only for the super powers, but everyone else on this rock.

To be quite honest, when you think about the situation scientifically, the human species behaves more like a cancer than anything else. We have the power to either improve our ecosystem and thus provide a viable habitat for future generations or we can destroy it.

And we are destroying it in the name of progress.

Humans therefore are a failed evolutionary experiment.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

It's not over yet. Too early for a judgement call.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Forget the USA today story, you might actually want to read the entire statement.

Not once is Trump's attitude, statements or possible insanity is mentioned.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

Sounds like you've got the right idea!

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

Sounds like you've got the right idea!