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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

The charts nicely reflect the increase we would see in unpreserved blood samples.


Abstract

Conflicting evidence can be found in the literature in regard to the levels of cyanide which may be produced in stored blood. Three cases are described where very high blood cyanide levels were found at post-mortem but where circumstances tended to preclude cyanide poisoning and where no source could be discovered. In one case, the cyanide was shown to be of post-mortem origin. These findings suggest that considerable caution should be exercised in attempting to interpret, in isolation, high cyanide levels in unpreserved blood samples.

Cyanide; Post-mortem production; Blood; High levels; Case studies
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0015736887727546

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ORIGINAL: InfoMan

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

The charts nicely reflect the increase we would see in unpreserved blood samples.


Abstract

Conflicting evidence can be found in the literature in regard to the levels of cyanide which may be produced in stored blood. Three cases are described where very high blood cyanide levels were found at post-mortem but where circumstances tended to preclude cyanide poisoning and where no source could be discovered. In one case, the cyanide was shown to be of post-mortem origin. These findings suggest that considerable caution should be exercised in attempting to interpret, in isolation, high cyanide levels in unpreserved blood samples.

Cyanide; Post-mortem production; Blood; High levels; Case studies
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0015736887727546

Actually the charts nicely reflect that you don't have any real sources and that you're simply using pictures and throwing in your own interpretation in order to better suit the data while you hide the evidence behind something which you must subscribe to in order to see in full. It gives the Illusion that you're supported by Science with out being able to be double checked as to if your statements coincide with what you've quoted.


samples from five cyanide poisoning cases (non-fire related)
were collected and measured at the time of autopsy. The samples
were again measured for cyanide concentrations between
1 day and 3 weeks after collection and storage at refrigerated
(4°C) and frozen (–20°C) conditions. The times from death to
autopsy were 8 h, 13 h, 16 h, 13 h, and 18–20 h for Cases 1–5.
The summaries of test results for Cases 1 and 2 are presented
in Figures 4 and 5, respectively. The abbreviations LHB and
RHB in Figures 4 and 5 represent the left and right heart
blood. The researchers found that the ratio of blood cyanide
concentrations after storage to that before storage ranged from
0.71 to 1.46 under refrigerated and frozen storage conditions.





The charts reflect what you would see if the sample was Drawn HOURS after death and then Refrigerated or Frozen for prolonged periods of time.


However, there is a Study which does test the concentrations of Cyanide at various points in time after a subject having killed with cyanide to find the levels of concentration in a cadaver. This test is considered a standard in understanding the Decay of Cyanide over time.

An experimental assessment of decreases in measurable cyanide levels in biological fluids.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4760115



This shows concentrations of potassium cyanide and it's decay in a rabbit cadaver over a period of time provided no preservation attempts are made. It denotes the massive loss of concentration to the point that all of the original CN Solution will be lost in 3 weeks time.

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ORIGINAL: InfoMan

Actually the charts nicely reflect that you don't have any real sources and that you're simply using pictures and throwing in your own interpretation in order to better suit the data while you hide the evidence behind something which you must subscribe to in order to see in full. It gives the Illusion that you're supported by Science with out being able to be double checked as to if your statements coincide with what you've quoted.


samples from five cyanide poisoning cases (non-fire related)
were collected and measured at the time of autopsy. The samples
were again measured for cyanide concentrations between
1 day and 3 weeks after collection and storage at refrigerated
(4°C) and frozen (–20°C) conditions. The times from death to
autopsy were 8 h, 13 h, 16 h, 13 h, and 18–20 h for Cases 1–5.
The summaries of test results for Cases 1 and 2 are presented
in Figures 4 and 5, respectively. The abbreviations LHB and
RHB in Figures 4 and 5 represent the left and right heart
blood. The researchers found that the ratio of blood cyanide
concentrations after storage to that before storage ranged from
0.71 to 1.46 under refrigerated and frozen storage conditions.

The charts reflect what you would see if the sample was Drawn HOURS after death and then Refrigerated or Frozen for prolonged periods of time.


However, there is a Study which does test the concentrations of Cyanide at various points in time after a subject having killed with cyanide to find the levels of concentration in a cadaver. This test is considered a standard in understanding the Decay of Cyanide over time.

An experimental assessment of decreases in measurable cyanide levels in biological fluids.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4760115

This shows concentrations of potassium cyanide and it's decay in a rabbit cadaver over a period of time provided no preservation attempts are made. It denotes the massive loss of concentration to the point that all of the original CN Solution will be lost in 3 weeks time.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

The charts nicely reflect the increase we would see in unpreserved blood samples.


Abstract

Conflicting evidence can be found in the literature in regard to the levels of cyanide which may be produced in stored blood. Three cases are described where very high blood cyanide levels were found at post-mortem but where circumstances tended to preclude cyanide poisoning and where no source could be discovered. In one case, the cyanide was shown to be of post-mortem origin. These findings suggest that considerable caution should be exercised in attempting to interpret, in isolation, high cyanide levels in unpreserved blood samples.

Cyanide; Post-mortem production; Blood; High levels; Case studies
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0015736887727546

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1
ORIGINAL: thompsonx

According to the specs on the ovens designed by tomp it only took an initial charge to fire the ovens and the fat from the bodies would maintain combustion (yes tomp caculated the percentage of body fat necessary for the corpses to fuel their own cremation). Stop being intentionally obtuse. I explaned this to you several years ago when you posted up your inane bullshit about the lack of wood fuel to cremate that many bodies.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: Real0ne

So you want us to believe that while the nazis tanks were sitting on the battlefield with empty gas tanks

Cummon cuz tell us how many german tanks used gasoline?
Still waiting

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
...more over the top looney...

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

There were too many jewish holocausts to count since 1890, more jews died in the several holocausts than ever existed on the planet to this very day!

We know for a fact there was a german holocaust with the systematic genocidial firebombing of nonmilitary german cities and willfull targeting of civilians and that holocaust continued even after the war was over.

it was well documented that no gassing rumors were mere lies.





The dresden holocaust in violation of every law ever made against germans and refugees is very well documented and the zionist perps not only got away with it but because they infiltrated more than one government made laws to enforce their religion on all of europe and over the course of the last 75 years have been undermining american law to enforce the same religion on americans through the legal system, precisely as they have dont to europe.


Those same zionists lies have been exposed and they have been busted, forced to reduce the death toll by nearly 3 million jews! A minor and insignificant accounting error I am sure.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: InfoMan

Actually the charts nicely reflect that you don't have any real sources and that you're simply using pictures and throwing in your own interpretation in order to better suit the data while you hide the evidence behind something which you must subscribe to in order to see in full. It gives the Illusion that you're supported by Science with out being able to be double checked as to if your statements coincide with what you've quoted.


samples from five cyanide poisoning cases (non-fire related)
were collected and measured at the time of autopsy. The samples
were again measured for cyanide concentrations between
1 day and 3 weeks after collection and storage at refrigerated
(4°C) and frozen (–20°C) conditions. The times from death to
autopsy were 8 h, 13 h, 16 h, 13 h, and 18–20 h for Cases 1–5.
The summaries of test results for Cases 1 and 2 are presented
in Figures 4 and 5, respectively. The abbreviations LHB and
RHB in Figures 4 and 5 represent the left and right heart
blood. The researchers found that the ratio of blood cyanide
concentrations after storage to that before storage ranged from
0.71 to 1.46 under refrigerated and frozen storage conditions.

The charts reflect what you would see if the sample was Drawn HOURS after death and then Refrigerated or Frozen for prolonged periods of time.


However, there is a Study which does test the concentrations of Cyanide at various points in time after a subject having killed with cyanide to find the levels of concentration in a cadaver. This test is considered a standard in understanding the Decay of Cyanide over time.

An experimental assessment of decreases in measurable cyanide levels in biological fluids.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4760115

This shows concentrations of potassium cyanide and it's decay in a rabbit cadaver over a period of time provided no preservation attempts are made. It denotes the massive loss of concentration to the point that all of the original CN Solution will be lost in 3 weeks time.

Apparently you think they have the same temps as the bahamas, the average temps in april are within a mere couple degrees of the storage temps shown in the charts I posted, and I also posted the production of inorganic material that is a footprint left behind as a result of cyanide poisoning. A foot print situation is analogous to someone being shot and the bullet goes all the way through and cannot be found. You can see the hole the bullet made even though the bullet is no longer in the body. You are trying to stack the deck by incredulously framing it with your demand for cyanide 'salts' while hand waving away all other tell tale evidence, which also includes organ and blood discoloration as well as the odor. Cyanide 'production' occurs in an unpreserved body naturally, and can be found in samples where cyanide poisoning was precluded.

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Toxicological analysis identified an aqueous solution of 13% sodium nitroprusside. Death was caused by cyanide poisoning. Nitroprusside contains five cyanide groups (CN) and one nitrous oxide group (NO). The latter component accounts for its therapeutic action as an antihypertensive agent. Nitroprusside in the blood reacts rapidly with haemoglobin to produce thiocyanate and cyanide, through which its toxic effects are exerted.

The reaction seen in the stomach will be familiar to all histopathologists, as it is the basis of Perl's Prussian blue reaction. In histological sections, ferric iron in the form of ferric hydroxide (Fe(OH)3)) is unmasked from compounds such as haemosiderin by acid. The ferric iron then reacts with a ferrocyanide (nitroprusside) to produce an insoluble blue compound, ferric ferrocyanide. The exact source of the ferric ions in the stomach mucosa is unknown (possibly altered blood). Antral sparing from coloration occurs as a result of its relative lack of acid secreting cells. Histology of the mucosa showed autolysis, and the positioning of the blue staining was difficult to assess, although most staining appeared to be superficial.

The case was reported in 1931 in the British Medical Journal (1931, ii, 344) by Professor Fowweather, and is part of the collection at the University of Sheffield's Department of Forensic Pathology.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

The charts nicely reflect the increase we would see in unpreserved blood samples.


Abstract

Conflicting evidence can be found in the literature in regard to the levels of cyanide which may be produced in stored blood. Three cases are described where very high blood cyanide levels were found at post-mortem but where circumstances tended to preclude cyanide poisoning and where no source could be discovered. In one case, the cyanide was shown to be of post-mortem origin. These findings suggest that considerable caution should be exercised in attempting to interpret, in isolation, high cyanide levels in unpreserved blood samples.

Cyanide; Post-mortem production; Blood; High levels; Case studies
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0015736887727546

What you meant say is ambient cool.

Are you a complete idiot? Immediately after it says that it says the part I bolded:

"Three cases are described where very high blood cyanide levels were found at post-mortem but where circumstances tended to preclude cyanide poisoning and where no source could be discovered."



and you call that 'watch me pull cyanide otta my hat' chemistry. Like what the fuck is your major malfunction?

Do you need a grown up to explain what it says to you as well?

Once again as I said there is only a few degrees average temp difference in the stored 'refrigerated' temp in the tests and the ground temperature during that time of the year. The bodies were in a pile, no sun hit the bodies on the bottom of the pile. The bodies on the bottom of the pile have the coldest average temperature during the time frame. You insist that the only possible way to determine cyanide poisoning is by cyanide salt detection when there are a plethora of other markers that can also be used.

According to the jews without camp tattoos that claim to be witnesses, they were gassed 1000+ at a time, well guess what, that pile would stink to hell and back of bitter almond by the time you got to the bottom, not to mention a minor problem that I have yet to see a pile of a 1000 gassed bodies in any photos, have you? please feel free to post them for us..

Use your head and come up with a valid argument.

Your fertile imagination seems to think it was a sauna with temps that accelerated and you still hand wave away the fact that as a body begins to decompose cyanide levels increase, much the same as case 1 and 2 cartoon shows.

The problem you are faced with is not only proving that the jews were gassed but additionally how 6 million jews can be gassed when the total death toll was reduced to 3 million of which we have records proving that 2 million were deported.

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Is for cases regarding Potassium Cyanide and Sodium Cyanide, or basically any ingested cyanide.
This can be easily understood because it speaks at length of a reaction in the Stomach.

A reaction which does not occur when the compound is inhaled, as Hydrogen Cyanide is absorbed through the lungs and is transferred directly into the blood stream, largely bypassing the stomach, liver, and kidneys. I am sorry you're having difficulties understanding basic chemistry and don't understand that 'Sodium Cyanide' is Cyanide Salts (sodium is salt...) or the difference between Sodium Cyanide and Hydrogen Cyanide, but your lack of understanding of the mechanisms at play does not all of a sudden mean you're point of view is right.

so with your ingenius chemistry prowess we can conclude from your post that the blood remains unaffected.

yeh it does mean my position is correct, since it contradicts the claim that cyanide totally disintegrates post mortem.