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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/10/2017 2:34:49 PM   
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1) Area bombing was an acknowledgement by the RAF that at the beginning of the war, nighttime navigation was so abysmal that perhaps 10% of bombs got within 5 MILES of the target. Carpet bombing was a forlorn hope that by churning the landscape up, the VC would cry uncle. Navigation wasn't a problem for carpet bombing- simply lack of targets. Hence the two terms are NOT interchangeable. Arthur Harris's idea was to bomb the Germans into submission by hitting population centers which are large enough to be easily found. By Feb. 1945 though, the combination of pathfinders (specially trained crews) and electronic navigational aids such as GEE made finding cities much more reliable.
2) My numbers for the casualties at Dresden were a bit low- I was typing off the top of my head. My source is Frederick Taylor, author of "Dresden" and he gives a range of 25,000-40,000 dead- numbers inflated by Goebbels. Figures from any part of the Nazi bureaucracy are always suspect since they could be inflated or minimized to meet with Hitler's approval.
3) While the population of the city had indeed increased due to wartime refugees fleeing the Russians, many of the refugees were camping in fields.
4) To create a firestorm- necessary to kill lots of people- you need wind to fan the flames. Didn't happen that night.
5) Dresden also had plenty of military production- under the accepted rules of war at the time, that made the city a legitimate target.

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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/10/2017 6:52:21 PM   
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If you were successful in convincing anyone that cyanide cannot be detected then you must also admit that there is absolutely no evidence what so ever that a human was ever gassed in the camps.


I don't have to convince any one.
It is known, factual, biological science.

go ask a doctor if you are so concerned about it.

I've proven it beyond the shadow of a doubt that Cyanide decays in the body unless if stored at near freezing levels... you're the only one that refuses to believe it. that is your problem, not mine.


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Then to add to it we have signed affidavits that life in the camps was as good as can be expected during wartime conditions.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pQJ42ONPDo

and you have video documentation, testimony, and photographic evidence which showed that the camps where heavily vermin infested, rife with communicable diseases, and filled with poorly nourished prisoners.

I find it ironic that the document which you reference that contains the handful of affidavits which claimed that the conditions where acceptable is the same document which you want us to completely ignore because it contains photographic proof, interviews, and even videos which expose the deplorable conditions the camps where actually in.

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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/10/2017 7:31:07 PM   
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A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust



How about A Monument to Holocene and Hades in Service to Mammon as from the last 35 years foreword, but carry on.

On our steady way towards the ultimate goal of a war where there will be no memories possible.


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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/10/2017 9:58:42 PM   
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If you were successful in convincing anyone that cyanide cannot be detected then you must also admit that there is absolutely no evidence what so ever that a human was ever gassed in the camps.


I don't have to convince any one.
It is known, factual, biological science.

go ask a doctor if you are so concerned about it.

I've proven it beyond the shadow of a doubt that Cyanide decays in the body unless if stored at near freezing levels... you're the only one that refuses to believe it. that is your problem, not mine.


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Then to add to it we have signed affidavits that life in the camps was as good as can be expected during wartime conditions.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pQJ42ONPDo

and you have video documentation, testimony, and photographic evidence which showed that the camps where heavily vermin infested, rife with communicable diseases, and filled with poorly nourished prisoners.

I find it ironic that the document which you reference that contains the handful of affidavits which claimed that the conditions where acceptable is the same document which you want us to completely ignore because it contains photographic proof, interviews, and even videos which expose the deplorable conditions the camps where actually in.



and you handwave away cyanide production of a decomposing body. I gave you the example of how it would be suspended which is a simple fact of biology/chemistry as well.

Great you dont have to convince anyone, then it stands there is no evidence that anyone was gassed! Suit yourself, you bit into a double edged hot dog on that round! LOL


and you have video documentation, testimony, and photographic evidence which showed that the camps where heavily vermin infested, rife with communicable diseases, and filled with poorly nourished prisoners.

yes how about that! The allies cut off all the food and medical supplies then turn around and blame hitler because everyone was fucking starving when they got to the camps.

Yes they were but not as deplorable as premeditatingly targeting noncombatant civilians and then dropping phosphorous on them! The zionists are pure fucking evil incarnate.

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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/10/2017 10:09:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Disease, particularly typhus, dysentery, and tuberculosis, was rampant. In the first four months of the year, tens of thousands of prisoners died, victims of [CHURCHILL/EISENHOWER] Nazi brutality and neglect. Starvation and malnutrition led to death and incidents of cannibalism. In the days before liberation, the prisoners had been left without food or water. An estimated 500 inmates per day died in the days preceding and following liberation.

Impressions of the Camp

British troops were shocked and horrified by what they [CAUSED] encountered when they entered the camp on April 15, 1945. Lieutenant-Colonel R. I. G. Taylor, the Commanding Officer of the 63rd Anti-Tank Regiment, recalled his impressions of the camp at liberation:

Immediately, the British army turned over relief operations to Brigadier H. L. Glyn-Hughes, the Deputy Director of Medical Services for the British Second Army. He and his staff were faced with the monumental task of feeding tens of thousands of former prisoners, reducing the mortality rate, and preventing the spread of infectious diseases. On April 16, the first deliveries of food and water arrived. The death rate, however, remained high, averaging 300 to 400 deaths per day. Almost a month later, the relief teams had reduced this figure to less than 100 deaths per day. In addition to the more than 13,000 corpses found by the British liberators upon their arrival, nearly 14,000 former prisoners died during the month after liberation.



No good fucking british had an endless supply of food and medical supplies and let those 14,000 prisoners die.


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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/10/2017 10:29:24 PM   
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All the concentration camps that the Nazis created had .05 % more deaths due to allied cause.

Guilty!

If the stupid Brits and Americans didn't bring back to life those whom the Nazis spent years or sometimes only months to emaciate to brink of death as while working them to brink of death, as normal practice, in only two week's time after emancipation by the former ....

Well, anyone could see the overt complicity there.




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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/10/2017 10:32:23 PM   
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Then to add to it we have signed affidavits that life in the camps was as good as can be expected during wartime conditions.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pQJ42ONPDo

and you have video documentation, testimony, and photographic evidence which showed that the camps where heavily vermin infested, rife with communicable diseases, and filled with poorly nourished prisoners.

I find it ironic that the document which you reference that contains the handful of affidavits which claimed that the conditions where acceptable is the same document which you want us to completely ignore because it contains photographic proof, interviews, and even videos which expose the deplorable conditions the camps where actually in.


the idea it was a holocaust hinged on the testimony of one man at nuremburg, you got less than a handful.

the video you posted there is nothing sworn that what they seen was was hitlers doing, lots of implication.

The asswipe that made the sworn statement admitted he was swearing to hearsay just before he gauranteed us that nothing was photoshopped. (in other words he cant testify to that fact because he was not a witness. doh!)

The affidavits I posted are from people that we there, its called 'first hand knowledge', and stands up in court not the crap you posted.

Here you want to see how bad hitler really was look at these atrocites: HOLOCAUST - Survivors Remember the Horror (WARNING: Disturbing Content)

If you have the stomach to watch it.

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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/10/2017 10:44:52 PM   
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Of course you don't.

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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/10/2017 11:42:48 PM   
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and you handwave away cyanide production of a decomposing body. I gave you the example of how it would be suspended which is a simple fact of biology/chemistry as well.

Great you dont have to convince anyone, then it stands there is no evidence that anyone was gassed! Suit yourself, you bit into a double edged hot dog on that round! LOL


Find me a single document, medical journal, or peer reviewed study, as well as cite the page and paragraph it is in, where Cyanide is PRODUCED inside a DECOMPOSING BODY.

You linked an Abstract which Frozen Samples which where drawn at time of death (or shortly after) where tested at regular intervals afterwords. If you actually read the study (which you haven't) you would know this... Furthermore, if you actually read the study and corrosponding studies which it cites, you would know for a fact that Cyanide is not produced in the body, but rather slowly decomposes as it reacts to the chemicals which occur as the beginning states of decomposition take place in a cadaver.

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and you have video documentation, testimony, and photographic evidence which showed that the camps where heavily vermin infested, rife with communicable diseases, and filled with poorly nourished prisoners.

yes how about that! The allies cut off all the food and medical supplies then turn around and blame hitler because everyone was fucking starving when they got to the camps.

Yes they were but not as deplorable as premeditatingly targeting noncombatant civilians and then dropping phosphorous on them! The zionists are pure fucking evil incarnate.


I'm sorry, the allies cut off the food and medical supplies?
Severe emaciation, like those seen in the camps takes 9-12 months to develop at a Minimum.

So you want us to believe that the Allies cut off the flow of medicine, food, and basic humanitarian supplies to these camps some 2 Months before they even landed on Normandy Beaches? That mid 1943, the Germans where on their heels and the soviets where a massive threat to the supply columns deep in their own territory?

keep reaching.

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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/10/2017 11:56:44 PM   
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the idea it was a holocaust hinged on the testimony of one man at nuremburg, you got less than a handful.

the video you posted there is nothing sworn that what they seen was was hitlers doing, lots of implication.

The asswipe that made the sworn statement admitted he was swearing to hearsay just before he gauranteed us that nothing was photoshopped. (in other words he cant testify to that fact because he was not a witness. doh!)

The affidavits I posted are from people that we there, its called 'first hand knowledge', and stands up in court not the crap you posted.


swearing hearsay?
so the giant title card that said and point where the narrator stated specifically: Certificate of Affidavit you didn't catch?





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Here you want to see how bad hitler really was look at these atrocites: HOLOCAUST - Survivors Remember the Horror (WARNING: Disturbing Content)

If you have the stomach to watch it.


Out of 50,000 testimonies... we decide to show you the handful of optimistic people that remembered fondly single events, and will not go into any more depth about treatment, rations, provisions, or medical aid. In fact, we will specifically cherry pick these testimonies for their content and not show you anything else of their testimony because that would potentially hurt your little brain to know that the issue was not black, nor white, but rather a shade of grey.

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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/11/2017 12:19:02 AM   
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the issue was not black, nor white, but rather a shade of grey.

There are probably no historical events where acknowledging shades of grey wouldn't be an improvement.

K.


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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/11/2017 1:47:48 AM   
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the idea it was a holocaust hinged on the testimony of one man at nuremburg, you got less than a handful.

the video you posted there is nothing sworn that what they seen was was hitlers doing, lots of implication.

The asswipe that made the sworn statement admitted he was swearing to hearsay just before he gauranteed us that nothing was photoshopped. (in other words he cant testify to that fact because he was not a witness. doh!)

The affidavits I posted are from people that we there, its called 'first hand knowledge', and stands up in court not the crap you posted.


swearing hearsay?
so the giant title card that said and point where the narrator stated specifically: Certificate of Affidavit you didn't catch?





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Here you want to see how bad hitler really was look at these atrocites: HOLOCAUST - Survivors Remember the Horror (WARNING: Disturbing Content)

If you have the stomach to watch it.


Out of 50,000 testimonies... we decide to show you the handful of optimistic people that remembered fondly single events, and will not go into any more depth about treatment, rations, provisions, or medical aid. In fact, we will specifically cherry pick these testimonies for their content and not show you anything else of their testimony because that would potentially hurt your little brain to know that the issue was not black, nor white, but rather a shade of grey.


Yes that exactly what 'we' meaning 'you' have done. In fact 'you' even went one step further and made it a eurpeon religion that any evil heretical holocaust deniers would be thrown in jail and rot.

You dont understand the first thing about law. If its hearsay its not a fact, you can certify 500 Affidavits and the last is just as useless as the first in court. Even a shitty attorney would have that thrown out before you could bat an eye.

No not so, prisoners drank beer, going to movies, plays, swimming in the olympic pool, and listening the orchestra and getting laid by on camp hookers is many events not a single event, nice zionist disinfo play.
























Looks like dem Jews having a purty good time to me!





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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/11/2017 3:43:46 AM   
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the issue was not black, nor white, but rather a shade of grey.

There are probably no historical events where acknowledging shades of grey wouldn't be an improvement.

K.


Nor are there lack of abundance of cop-outs for any number of egregious military and corporate and government crimes.

But your point still stands, especially re WWI. You just mash a bunch of black and white together, it's all grey.

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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/11/2017 3:54:34 AM   
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Looks like dem Jews having a purty good time to me!
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Barbara Streisand and modern day Klezmer bands are proof positive that the Holocaust never happened.



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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/12/2017 12:08:15 AM   
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1) Area bombing was an acknowledgement by the RAF that at the beginning of the war, nighttime navigation was so abysmal that perhaps 10% of bombs got within 5 MILES of the target. Carpet bombing was a forlorn hope that by churning the landscape up, the VC would cry uncle. Navigation wasn't a problem for carpet bombing- simply lack of targets. Hence the two terms are NOT interchangeable. Arthur Harris's idea was to bomb the Germans into submission by hitting population centers which are large enough to be easily found. By Feb. 1945 though, the combination of pathfinders (specially trained crews) and electronic navigational aids such as GEE made finding cities much more reliable.
2) My numbers for the casualties at Dresden were a bit low- I was typing off the top of my head. My source is Frederick Taylor, author of "Dresden" and he gives a range of 25,000-40,000 dead- numbers inflated by Goebbels. Figures from any part of the Nazi bureaucracy are always suspect since they could be inflated or minimized to meet with Hitler's approval.
3) While the population of the city had indeed increased due to wartime refugees fleeing the Russians, many of the refugees were camping in fields.
4) To create a firestorm- necessary to kill lots of people- you need wind to fan the flames. Didn't happen that night.
5) Dresden also had plenty of military production- under the accepted rules of war at the time, that made the city a legitimate target.

Sam



1) Come on sam cant you do any better than koolaide and puppy chow?

A-Z Guide > Law > Carpet or Area Bombing

Carpet or Area Bombing
By Horst Fischer

Air attacks on a city that treat it as a single military objective instead of clearly distinguishing military objectives and attacking them individually are an example of area bombardment, often called carpet bombing. Many of the World War II attacks on cities targeted an area rather than individual military objectives. Legal arguments and military rationales were given for the strategic bombing campaign, among them to destroy the enemy’s industry, to weaken the morale of the population, or simply to punish the adversary for its previous violations. The destruction of Rotterdam, Dresden, and Hiroshima are prominent examples. The Nuremberg Tribunal did not discuss area bombardment in any detail, and the practice, which flies in the face of all the civilian protections in the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949, continued into the Cold War. The U.S. aerial campaigns against North Vietnam—in particular the so-called Christmas bombing of 1972 against Hanoi and Haiphong—are believed to have been illegal area bombardments.

you would be much wiser to at least have rudimentary knowledge before posting.


2) your numbers are the numbers the allies chose to 'acknowledge' which has no bearing on reality or the truth, just like 6 million holocausted was also a lie.

3) some were camping most were put up in the locals houses and anywhere they could take refuge from the elements

4) Once again you succeed to demonstrate how foolish you are, especially since I already explained it.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
View of one of the Tillamook Burn fires in August 1933.
A firestorm is a conflagration which attains such intensity that it creates and sustains its own wind system.

5) you are as bad as the whore at this, you are 5 for 5 wrong, g1, dresden had nothing, it had no defense armaments, no production, zippo, nothing, no military value what so ever and the even the railroad track was left intact, but residential housing was nearly all wiped out

maybe you should read a little real history before pounding on your keyboard to your own demise

There I crayola'd it for you





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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/12/2017 12:25:19 AM   
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and you handwave away cyanide production of a decomposing body. I gave you the example of how it would be suspended which is a simple fact of biology/chemistry as well.

Great you dont have to convince anyone, then it stands there is no evidence that anyone was gassed! Suit yourself, you bit into a double edged hot dog on that round! LOL


Find me a single document, medical journal, or peer reviewed study, as well as cite the page and paragraph it is in, where Cyanide is PRODUCED inside a DECOMPOSING BODY.

You linked an Abstract which Frozen Samples which where drawn at time of death (or shortly after) where tested at regular intervals afterwords. If you actually read the study (which you haven't) you would know this... Furthermore, if you actually read the study and corrosponding studies which it cites, you would know for a fact that Cyanide is not produced in the body, but rather slowly decomposes as it reacts to the chemicals which occur as the beginning states of decomposition take place in a cadaver.




If you had the comprehension of a grade schooler you would understand its not me who has it all fucked up but you, once again.

Human Health Effects

Cyanide is produced in the human body and exhaled in extremely low concentrations with each breath. It is also produced by over 1,000 plant species including sorghum, bamboo and cassava. Relatively low concentrations of cyanide can be highly toxic to people and wildlife.

Bacteria in the body produces cyanide as well. doh

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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/12/2017 12:39:23 AM   
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I'm sorry, the allies cut off the food and medical supplies?
Severe emaciation, like those seen in the camps takes 9-12 months to develop at a Minimum.

So you want us to believe that the Allies cut off the flow of medicine, food, and basic humanitarian supplies to these camps some 2 Months before they even landed on Normandy Beaches? That mid 1943, the Germans where on their heels and the soviets where a massive threat to the supply columns deep in their own territory?

keep reaching.


Oh? I suppose you would have us believe that the emaciation was prejudice and had its chosen few.


Just look at all these emaciated FAT ASSES!


MORE

MORE

MORE

MORE

MORE

MORE



Ever see so many emaciated FAT ASSES before?]

Seems you have another inconsistency problem, yeh keep reaching






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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/12/2017 1:42:46 AM   
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So in that album from Getty images from which you selected you didn't see any skinny people, right?

Let's have a look through that again, shall we?

http://www.gettyimages.com/photos/concentration-camp?excludenudity=true&mediatype=photography&page=2&phrase=concentration%20camp&sort=mostpopular

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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/12/2017 1:49:44 AM   
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Oh? I suppose you would have us believe that the emaciation was prejudice and had its chosen few.


Oh I forgot; you're the only one in the entire West who knew about the Dresden bombings, too.

Now there's a way to establish credibility.

First you say that die Juden were fat and happy and living the life of Reilly at the work camps, but now you say they weren't the only ones who starved to death.

Another credibility enhancer, that one.


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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/12/2017 7:31:01 AM   
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You dont understand the first thing about law. If its hearsay its not a fact, you can certify 500 Affidavits and the last is just as useless as the first in court. Even a shitty attorney would have that thrown out before you could bat an eye.


In a Military Tribunal limited Hearsay is allowed, provided that the person in question is also apart of a Military Outfit and the observer is a Commissioned Officer of said military. This is why a majority of the documents found of the Nuremberg Trials are presented by a Commissioned Officer - often ranked Colonel - while the reports are taken by NCOs or Enlisted (Sgt to PFC).

Hearsay is also allowed in certain circumstance... The statement of Nurses and Doctors concerning medical procedures or treatment and Religious officials concerning marriages, baptisms, or other religious activities for instance.

To sit here and claim 'Hearsay!' and demand it all be thrown out because it doesn't fit with your interpretation of modern law is kind of a flawed perspective to be honest.


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No not so, prisoners drank beer, going to movies, plays, swimming in the olympic pool, and listening the orchestra and getting laid by on camp hookers is many events not a single event, nice zionist disinfo play.



Looks like dem Jews having a purty good time to me!
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And you have 'House Slaves' which where clothed in modern clothes, fed regular meals, slept in the plantation manor, and treated with a degree of respect... Does that mean that Slavery was blown way out of proportion too? That they didn't transport Africans like chattel in ships, that they didn't sell them off like animals, that they didn't clothe them in rags and feed them scraps while beating them for the smallest of transgressions?

does the smallest sampling which shows slightly favorable conditions some how Nullify ALL the other evidence which claims opposite?


If you want to believe that Jews where treated Favorably in concentration camps...
You must also believe that Slaves where treated just as well on Plantations.

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